CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

No...a landlord can not. A roommate can only authorize their space and common spaces in certain situations. LE has to be very careful...even about what us considered in plain sight. They are very limited in cases like KB’s. Very unfortunate that the law causes so much valuable time to pass by. I guess the option if you find yourself in this situation would be to hire a PI who is experienced in “forensic” evidence...experienced eyes to see what is hiding.

Slater also revealed that forensic testing found traces of Berreth's blood in her bathroom. Berreth's family notified the CBI of spots of blood they found when they visited the house Dec. 6. Woodland Park police and the CBI had come up empty in their sweep of the house Dec. 3 and 4.

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

ETA: What is a 2 day sweep of the house by two agency's CBI and WPPD?

 

[yawningreyhound]

I thought the forklift was to lift it up high on top of the hay? Need to check the affidavit but she was tiny - so either he could lift the tote with her body inside it - or he had help moving it and if that is the case - Wow! JMO

Yes, I read that he put it up quite high so that would explain the forklift need, and if our speculation of the tote is correct in being the ones pictured, I still don't see him picking it up with a body in it; he had to have dragged it outside to the truck, I would think. Which begs the question on why the dogs wouldn't have hit on the drag trail instead of just a spot outside by the vehicle. Oh, it's all so mysterious!!!!!!

 

[PrairieWind]

SO and I were talking last night about this. Do you think PF committed murder for custody before he did his research or talked to an atty? In Colorado, you can't leave the state with your offspring if the children's other parent doesn't approve it. Maybe KB was thinking of moving closer to work (Pueblo) and that was enough to make PF act since visitation would be more difficult at that distance. I would hate to think he hadn't consulted someone and was acting out of pure D stupidity.

Edit: acting out of ignorance, rather.

I recall there being some mention that in the search of his ranch house, LE found some "custody papers" that had not been filed. I'd like to know more about that. Were these actual pleadings/motions that an attorney drafted but were never filed, or just something that PF had written himself? I have not felt that custody was the prime motive here because it just didn't make that much sense. With the situation as it was, he had a pretty good arrangement with KB. If she was considering moving, or something else was going on, PF could have made a very good argument/case in court that HE should be awarded primary custody of the girl. If he had talked to an attorney he should have known that. But maybe he hadn't talked to an attorney and just assumed that KB could take the girl and get custody.

 

[makayla]

And it took a forklift to move the tote around at the Nash Ranch but he man-handled it at the condo?

I’m guessing part of the reason for the forklift is trying to get it down from the high haystack. IIRC PF used a ladder to get it up there (so many details to remember). Does anyone else remember this? Regardless, Kelsey was a petite lady so it shouldn't have been challenging for him to lift her body in the tote onto his truck, especially because he’s a big strong cowboy (insert eye roll).

 

[oviedo]

Based on phone records, Adams said the police department learned that around 4:45 p.m. on Nov. 22, both of their cell phones pinged in Divide and were traveling west from Berreth’s apartment. Later that evening, both phones hit off the same tower, indicating that the phones were together, Adams said.

That same day, phone records showed that Frazee called his mother and Kenney. Frazee was also seen on surveillance video at his bank with a baby carrier in the passenger seat and the black tote bag in the rear.
Patrick Frazee to face trial after preliminary hearing
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I was trying to figure out when he actually put the tote in the car - I thought maybe he came back later for it - so when he was caught on video with the tote in the car that day - was it empty? I need to look at the affidavit to see if the bank run had a timestamp.

 

[makayla]

Oopsie, I see I'm late to the party again ... others have answered this question about the forklift ...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

@dixiegirl1035 said: ↑
I would like to know why he felt he needed to go upstairs after killing her. What did he go upstairs to get?

Use the shower and clean himself up so he could go to SF for turkey dinner.

For some reason, I was thinking it was the downstairs bath. I guess I was inferring that because her brother found it when he was using the bathroom. And if a mother and a son stays in the house, I would think the mother would have first dibs on the upstairs bedroom and he will get the guest bedroom and bath.

Good point oh, he could have been using the upstairs bathroom also.

ETA I see that Seattle has posted above that it was in her bathroom. Not sure if that designates the upstairs, or that was in general either of her bathrooms

 

[Seattle1]

2/19/19

CRIPPLE CREEK • Idaho nurse Krystal Jean Kenney gave investigators a blow-by-blow account of the murder of Woodland Park mother Kelsey Berreth and the grisly disposal of her body, a Colorado Bureau of Investigation agent testified Tuesday during a hearing in Cripple Creek.

When Kenney entered Berreth's townhome in late November, blood was splattered on the walls, floor and children's toys, said Agent Greg Slater.

Kenney spent three to four hours cleaning, bleaching the walls and floors, removing the curtains and couch pillows and hunting for a tooth in an air duct that Berreth's fiance and alleged killer told her to find, Slater said.

ETA: detailed recap of preliminary hearing evidence at link

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

 

[jewelsmac]

This is what is most baffling to me as well. As violently as PF murdered KB, it’s obvious he has no qualms with committing murder. What made him so determined that KK was the one who must do the deed? Also bizarre is her making that long drive 3 times, only to chicken out. That’s a lot of time in the car to think through what you’re going to do. The “YOU HAVE A MESS TO CLEAN UP” also reveals something, I’m just unsure what that is. Finally, what was in KK’s mind that she felt responsible for the clean up? Horrendous job, why did she do it?

It was definitely about him being in control. He must’ve been furious that she backed out so many times. One way or another, he was going to make sure she got her hands dirty. And she obviously had no moral compass, or very little.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

How did the tooth end up in the bathroom vent?

I heard it being described did he said it would be found and to look in a vent, but I didn't know it was found in the bathroom. I only heard that it she said she found one in the middle of the living room floor.

ETA and she said it had a root on it.

 

[MsBetsy]

I thought the forklift was to lift it up high on top of the hay? Need to check the affidavit but she was tiny - so either he could lift the tote with her body inside it - or he had help moving it and if that is the case - Wow! JMO

Yes, he only used the forklift to get it up high and out of sight.

 

[makayla]

I don’t know if this has been posted anywhere, because I can’t seem to keep up on my reading ... regarding the missing bullet from MG’s gun ... maybe KK shot Kelsey’s cell phone to destroy it.

 

[PommyMommy]

I would like to know why he felt he needed to go upstairs after killing her. What did he go upstairs to get?

In addition to showering, as Seattle1 mentioned, I think it's possible that he gathered up some things for the baby. Clothes, blankets, etc. If I thought he had any heart at all, I'd add her favorite toys...
MOO

 

[gitana1]

Cripple Creek. HMMMMMM.
Isn't there strange DNA at Kelsey's?
I wonder who's it is.

Dude she was seeing. Plumber. Who knows? It doesn't appear relevant.

 

[Inthedetails]

Slater also revealed that forensic testing found traces of Berreth's blood in her bathroom. Berreth's family notified the CBI of spots of blood they found when they visited the house Dec. 6. Woodland Park police and the CBI had come up empty in their sweep of the house Dec. 3 and 4.

Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse

ETA: What is a 2 day sweep of the house by two agency's CBI and WPPD?

I get such a yucky feeling when I read that KB's family found the blood AFTER LE had checked the house.



Her mom sure is strong. Remember that first press conference. She KNEW about the blood then and knew LE didn't see it until pointed out.

I don't like to criticize LE, but this detail hurts to read about.

jmo

 

[gitana1]

Since she has pleaded guilty, there is no need to go to trial for these charges. She may have to testify during PF's trial and the civil suit trial.

She will have to testify at PF's trial. And her sentence appears to be contingent on how cooperative she remains.

 

[ajaylee]

You know PF has got to be completely enraged at KK right now.

Agree. There was one photo of him, a poor one, but he looked 'rough'. I assume he knew what KK's testimony was before he went into the courtroom, but he must have been seething with rage. I think he probably thought he had involved her so deeply that she could never testify against him without going down herself. He must be livid that she's getting an easy deal for turning on him.

I can just imagine what was going through his mind in the courtroom. KK wasn't there, so he couldn't stare daggers at her. His fingers must have been itching to grab his cellphone and call or text her to rage at her.

He did start taking notes when the agent was talking about KK's testimony about the inside of the condo, IIRC. I wonder what particular points he was interested in.

I recall there being some mention that in the search of his ranch house, LE found some "custody papers" that had not been filed. I'd like to know more about that. Were these actual pleadings/motions that an attorney drafted but were never filed, or just something that PF had written himself? I have not felt that custody was the prime motive here because it just didn't make that much sense. With the situation as it was, he had a pretty good arrangement with KB. If she was considering moving, or something else was going on, PF could have made a very good argument/case in court that HE should be awarded primary custody of the girl. If he had talked to an attorney he should have known that. But maybe he hadn't talked to an attorney and just assumed that KB could take the girl and get custody.

I think the unfiled 'custody papers' dated from August and IIRC, August was about the time KB checked herself into a place for anxiety/depression treatment. I wonder if she realized things might be coming to an end, and quite possibly found out that she couldn't pack up and go back to Washington to live and raise her baby around family. She would never get the OK from PF to take Baby K out of Colorado.

I think I'd be pretty depressed and anxious if I got news like that.

 

[gitana1]

I get such a yucky feeling when I read that KB's family found the blood AFTER LE had checked the house.



Her mom sure is strong. Remember that first press conference. She KNEW about the blood then and knew LE didn't see it until pointed out.

I don't like to criticize LE, but this detail hurts to read about.

jmo

It does. It's a shame. Because it appears they had cadaver dogs and a team searching for blood and didn't find any prior to the family being there.

The defense will jump on that at trial. It won't go anywhere I don't believe. But it's an unfortunate anomaly.

Forensics aren't always perfect.

 

[MsBetsy]

I heard it being described in a vent, but I didn't know it was found in the bathroom. I only heard that it she said she found one in the middle of the living room floor.

I thought it was found in an air duct in the living room. The family spotted blood in the bathroom, on the toilet, I think. Imo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

In addition to showering, as Seattle1 mentioned, I think it's possible that he gathered up some things for the baby. Clothes, blankets, etc. If I thought he had any heart at all, I'd add her favorite toys...
MOO

I believe somebody had the floor plan. Can somebody bump it up or repost it, or is it in pommy's Pinterest account?