CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

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August - Custody paperwork (never filed)
September - Solicitation of murder

Seems to me that he simply changed his mind about how to gain custody.

Don't mean to muck things up, but I could have sworn it was a tractor. :oops:

I thought it was a tractor, too! Similar to this one.
Photo courtesy Old Tractor Company.
 

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The thing that always gets to me in crimes like this is the human detachment that it takes to commit a crime like this. The total lack of any regard for a human life is just so mind boggling to me. Can’t imagine what the B’s must be feeling about all the players in this case. Just disgusting! Moo
Just when you think there couldn't possibly be any more lowlife scum in on it, more pop up.
Ie the friend with car,and fully loaded gun.
SF watching her burn doesn't surprise me. I suspected she knew more from the get go. Her taking the fifth does not help change my mind on that.
But my Lord all the peripheral players.
I hope Mays gets every last one of them.
MOO
 
August - Custody paperwork (never filed)
September - Solicitation of murder

Seems to me that he simply changed his mind about how to gain custody.

Don't mean to muck things up, but I could have sworn it was a tractor. :oops:

Yup, tractor.

71. Frazee originally, took Berreth's body from her residence, and stored it in a black plastic tote with silver handles at the Nash Ranch on the 22nd of November. The tote was stored in a barn on top of a hay stack at the ranch, and Frazee used a tractor to put the tote up high.
 
I recall there being some mention that in the search of his ranch house, LE found some "custody papers" that had not been filed. I'd like to know more about that. Were these actual pleadings/motions that an attorney drafted but were never filed, or just something that PF had written himself? I have not felt that custody was the prime motive here because it just didn't make that much sense. With the situation as it was, he had a pretty good arrangement with KB. If she was considering moving, or something else was going on, PF could have made a very good argument/case in court that HE should be awarded primary custody of the girl. If he had talked to an attorney he should have known that. But maybe he hadn't talked to an attorney and just assumed that KB could take the girl and get custody.

I think it's more that he came from an enmeshed situation with his mother and viewed his relationship with his child through that lens. He didn't want to share.

And maybe he would've prevailed if she moved out of state but I'm not sure about that. KB's mother insists she was the primary custodial parent. And when he had her he brought his infant to farrier jobs. Sounds like he didn't always have provisions for appropriate childcare.

I get the sense that KB thought they were engaged and going to create a family. He was unable to do that because his family was with his mama. And IIRC there were whispers about his mother not liking KB or wanting her around.

But things were coming to a head. Instead of telling the truth and dealing with KB's emotions over him not wanting her, or him not wanting to leave his mama, and then dealing with sharing custody, he decided to keep the baby for himself.

The thing I've noticed with many of these family annihilator/domestic murderers is an unhealthy family of origin. Dysfunctional families. Dysfunctional relationships with parents. Deep enmeshment.

Scott Peterson. Casey Anthony. Chris Watts. Chris Coleman. Neil Entwhistle. On and on.

I think their motivations can't make sense to those who don't have such families. Or to those who aren't living disordered lives with such families.

(Caveat: I'm not trying to bash adults who live with their parents. There's lots of reasons for that. Especially in today's economy. It can be a mutually beneficial situation where a parent isn't always alone and a grandchild has family there to help with childcare, or pets, etc. But when a murder suspect seems to have a certain situation with his family, it sparks my interest. It so often seems to fit a pattern).

As a family law attorney I see how insane people get about child custody. Beyond all reason. Some just refuse to share their child. They're incapable of seeing the other parent as entitled to a relationship with THEIR child.

More importantly, they're incapable of seeing their child as entitled to a relationship with the other parent. The kid is theirs. And doesn't have needs of his or her own. The child's needs mirror the parent's, in the parents' minds. They don't see the child as an individual.

The more dysfunctional the parent, the more that is so.
 
Hello everyone! I haven't participated since the Jodi Arias trial. I do not practice criminal law so I have not weighed in here but have appreciated the comments of others with experience who have added so much to the discussion.

I wanted to add my thoughts on the KKL plea deal from a different point of view. When you step back from the case (which is hard to do) and have to pick the ultimate final goal in this case, I think it is bigger than putting PF and KKL away, much bigger. I think when all things are weighed that the biggest goal here has to be to keep KBs sweet baby safe. If you think about it, if the prosecution cannot put PF away, he is let out and can fight for custody. Without a conviction or solid case against him, a father is likely to prevail against in laws. As a result, to protect KBs baby, a conviction is paramount. And, again, I see that as the most important goal at the end of the day. Without KKL''s testimony, the baby's future is more uncertain. With KB gone, I believe all involved would want that baby protected at all cost.

Having said that, I join in the outrage in the horrific conduct that has been shared in this preliminary hearing. In my wildest dreams, I could not imagine the evil and coverup that has occurred on so many levels. I also cannot imagine anyone wanting to hurt someone as beautiful and hardworking as KB. When I try to imagine who KB was, I look at CB. While I know her heart is broken in a million pieces and she is suffering greatly, I believe she is the epitome of grace and motherhood. She has fought for her daughter and her granddaughter with the strength of a mother lion. She is the one who fought to have people look for KB when others were not acting. She is the one who did that compelling interview (that I believe got people sharing more of what they knew) when she likely knew horrific details we did not all know. She and her family found the blood. She fought for her granddaughter to be safe against people who killed her own daughter. To me, if I were CB (and I cannot imagine), one of the hardest parts of this would have been those days she knew PF had killed her daughter, but had to watch him with that baby, not knowing if the baby was next. She could not see the baby and she could not guarantee her safety and LE was not ready/able to act at that point. That would be terrifying to me. (In addition to everything else).

For that reason, I believe CB and the rest of the family would do anything for that little girl to protect her. That is the only thing that makes me feel alright about the plea deal is that I believe it will allow that child to be the most protected at the end of all of this. With the KKL deal, we lose much of the prison time she may have served if they had enough to convict PF and KKL, but we risk PF out to fight for the baby. With her testimony, she pays a lesser price but there is significant likelihood that they will put PF away for life and he cannot regain custody. So, while we all want PF and KKL to pay for what they did, I believe that the outcome of this trial is critical for baby K and I am grateful that the deal is much more likely to offer her the greatest protection by convicting PF.

My prayers and heart are with the Berreth family. They are beautiful people and I have learned so much about faith and strength and family watching them fight for their daughter and her baby girl.

MOO
 
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@gitana1 -- found it. KB did not know anything about a missing dog when KK came to her door with the "coffee."

He said Frazee and Kenney plotted for her to spike Berreth's coffee with drugs she could get at the hospital where she worked. Kenney went so far as to buy a caramel macchiato at the Starbucks inside the Woodland Park Walmart Sept. 23 and pose as a neighbor thanking Berreth for corralling her loose dogs.

Berreth told Kenney, who used a bogus name [Casey Johnson], that she had not helped with the dogs but accepted the unlaced drink anyway. Slater said Frazee was angry when he learned the coffee hadn't been tainted.


Grisly account of murder of Kelsey Berreth provided by Idaho nurse
 
Just when you think there couldn't possibly be any more lowlife scum in on it, more pop up.
Ie the friend with car,and fully loaded gun.
SF watching her burn doesn't surprise me. I suspected she knew more from the get go. Her taking the fifth does not help change my mind on that.
But my Lord all the peripheral players.
I hope Mays gets every last one of them.
MOO
Wouldn’t SF have asked what they were burning? JMO
 
That business with Meghan and the car with the expired plates and a loaded gun is just weird.

KK wants to keep a low profile on her trip to Colorado - by driving a car with expired plates?

According to Meghan, she apparently doesn't check her firearm regularly, because I think her story is that she didn't check her gun until KK's name hit the news. I can't help but wonder if she lent the car to someone else who found the gun and fired a single bullet, just for grins and didn't say anything about it.

Very strange. It just doesn't pass the smell test, although I can't see how it helps KK, either, and that's the only reason I can see for Meghan to lie.
According to M, they traded vehicles because she needed to borrow KK's truck to move.

Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death
Investigators also talked with Kenney’s friend, who has known her for about 10 years. The women had traded cars, as they often did, since Kenney owned a pickup truck and the friend needed one because she was moving.

While Kenney was allegedly in Colorado — having driven in her friend’s car — helping to clean the scene of the crime, she texted her friend asking if she could spend the night at her house because she had had too much to drink. Her friend told authorities the text was fake and was sent to establish an alibi in case her ex-husband checked her phone.

A few weeks later on Dec. 14, Kenney called her friend and said she had been contacted by the FBI and they might contact her friend with questions.

When the friend started to see news stories on Berreth, she checked her firearm in her car and noticed the previously empty chamber had one round in it and the magazine, which had eight rounds when she gave it over to Kenney, had only six. She told authorities she was suspicious of this.
 
Exactly. IMO, I believe KK was jealous of beautiful KB and made it known she didn't want competition. I believe PF used her desperation in an attempt to get her to kill KB, who perhaps humiliated him and hurt his ego. Also, in my opinion, PF feared KB dating other men and taking baby K away from him and his mother one day.

KK will never be able to practice nursing again. Her ex-husband has a great reason for sole custody.

And I hope he goes for it. A mother who would do what she did to another mother shouldn't have custody.
 
Hello everyone! I haven't participated since the Jodi Arias trial. I do not practice criminal law so I have not weighed in here but have appreciated the comments of others with experience who have added so much to the discussion.

I wanted to add my thoughts on the KKL plea deal from a different point of view. When you step back from the case (which is hard to do) and have to pick the ultimate final goal in this case, I think it is bigger than putting PF and KKL away, much bigger. I think when all things are weighed that the biggest goal here has to be to keep KBs sweet baby safe. If you think about it, if the prosecution cannot put PF away, he is let out and can fight for custody. Without a conviction or solid case against him, a father is likely to prevail against in laws. As a result, to protect KBs baby, a conviction is paramount. And, again, I see that as the most important goal at the end of the day. Without KKL''s testimony, the baby's future is more uncertain. With KB gone, I believe all involved would want that baby protected at all cost.

Having said that, I join in the outrage in the horrific conduct that has been shared in this preliminary hearing. In my wildest dreams, I could not imagine the evil and coverup that has occurred on so many levels. I also cannot imagine anyone wanting to hurt someone as beautiful and hardworking as KB. When I try to imagine who KB was, I look at CB. While I know her heart is broken in a million pieces and she is suffering greatly, I believe she is the epitome of grace and motherhood. She has fought for her daughter and her granddaughter with the strength of a mother lion. She is the one who fought to have people look for KB when others were not acting. She is the one who did that compelling interview (that I believe got people sharing more of what they knew) when she likely knew horrific details we did not all know. She and her family found the blood. She fought for her granddaughter to be safe against people who killed her own daughter. To me, if I were CB (and I cannot imagine), one of the hardest parts of this would have been those days she knew PF had killed her daughter, but had to watch him with that baby, not knowing if the baby was next. She could not see the baby and she could not guarantee her safety and LE was not ready/able to act at that point. That would be terrifying to me. (In addition to everything else).

For that reason, I believe CB and the rest of the family would do anything for that little girl to protect her. That is the only thing that makes me feel alright about the plea deal is that I believe it will allow that child to be the most protected at the end of all of this. With the KKL deal, we lose much of the prison time she may have served if they had enough to convict PF and KKL, but we risk PF out to fight for the baby. With her testimony, she pays a lesser price but there is significant likelihood that they will put PF away for life and he cannot regain custody. So, while we all want PF and KKL to pay for what they did, I believe that the outcome of this trial is critical for baby K and I am grateful that the deal is much more likely to offer her the greatest protection by convicting PF.

My prayers and heart are with the Berreth family. They are beautiful people and I have learned so much about faith and strength and family watching them fight for their daughter and her baby girl.

MOO

@Mormon Attorney Perfectly stated and expressed. Welcome to this board and thank you for posting here!

eta We all need to remember it's now ultimately about Baby K. I needed that reminder today.
 
According to M, they traded vehicles because she needed to borrow KK's truck to move.

Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death
Investigators also talked with Kenney’s friend, who has known her for about 10 years. The women had traded cars, as they often did, since Kenney owned a pickup truck and the friend needed one because she was moving.

While Kenney was allegedly in Colorado — having driven in her friend’s car — helping to clean the scene of the crime, she texted her friend asking if she could spend the night at her house because she had had too much to drink. Her friend told authorities the text was fake and was sent to establish an alibi in case her ex-husband checked her phone.

A few weeks later on Dec. 14, Kenney called her friend and said she had been contacted by the FBI and they might contact her friend with questions.

When the friend started to see news stories on Berreth, she checked her firearm in her car and noticed the previously empty chamber had one round in it and the magazine, which had eight rounds when she gave it over to Kenney, had only six. She told authorities she was suspicious of this.

Yup, it was MG who initiated the car/truck exchange. Weird coincidence that it was at the very time that KK also need to borrow a car.
 

Fabulous! That answers a question that I had. In photograph number 7, it shows that the vents for heating are on the floor. And one appears on the floor in that photo. I think it might be by the front door.

Where I live, they are on the walls or in the ceiling. I was confused by that. But that answers that question.

Those photographs also show a good understanding of where the second bedroom was on the first floor behind the kitchen.( where the baby supposedly was during the attack)

You always come through, thank you so much!
 
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And the friend Meghan who supplied KK with not only a car, but wait there's more, a fully loaded gun. In spite of the fact she knew there was murder plot going down.
I bet she's sweating bullets right about now.
MOO
Finally! I believe MG had a concealed weapon in her vehicle, and just coincidence that KK borrowed her vehicle on the weekend a murder went down in Colorado. I believe MG's "my gun was tampered with" is nothing more than her account to direct focus away from herself. Why? Because MG is yet another person that remained silent after KK confided in her that PF had solicited her to murder KB. Yup, MG knew in October. MOO

ETA: the MG bullet is moving straight to red tshirt or #737!
 
To make peace with this, I'm willing to go so far as to believe that KK is a professional healthcare provider that knew how to clean up blood up and human body matter. She allegedly arrived equipped with her hazmat suit....
Me too! I tend to look for forensics to be perfect (too many CSI episodes) and when something is missed - it initially stuns me. Curious - I wonder who cleans up blood in hospitals - orderlies/nurses? Now I have to go text my nurse friends to find out. Thanks for this post!
 
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