CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

[BRRI]

BBM
I remember you saying the same thing for a while in Mollie's disappearance. And we know how that turned out. Are you being optimistic, or merely waiting for evidence?

A lot of people thought Dalton (Mollie’s boyfriend) or her brothers (I personally thought her brothers) were involved too throughout the case, and they had nothing to do with it in the end. Another reason I’m not totally putting all of my eggs in the PF basket.

 

[chihuahua]

Respectfully this is Websleuths and we conjecture within the TOS on every case. As no suspect or POI has been officially named, but LE has expressed how badly they want answers from the fiance, it's natural to conclude there is something going on there.
Maybe if he does more to officially take himself off of their radar the heat would fall elsewhere.
So sleuthing we do and rightfully so.
I'm divided on what is actually going on in this case right this very second.
Chi

 

[Rigglesworth]

An observation after following fairly closely and lurking on the boards-

In a situation such as this one where a baby is in the care of the most obvious suspect (based on last person to see KB and the SO being most likely suspect in many missing persons cases), the need to be vague and not state PF is a suspect is all about protecting that innocent helpless child. Finding KB is and keeping baby safe are both priority #1.

I’m not stating that PF did anything, but, if in investigating all possibilities, if there’s a chance he became violent and hurt the mother of his child, not antagonizing by hinting at suspicion and not making public any possible incriminating evidence would seem the best way to protect the baby.

The maternal family would understand this and that would explain the ‘secrecy’ from them as well. The need to protect the baby far outweighs the need for public knowledge.

 

[Cardinal47]

And with that LE now has the opportunity and plenty of resources to find if there’s any reason to suspect that PF is involved. I don’t suspect PF at all until / unless there’s evidence to support that suspicion.

And to be real honest, at this point I’m skeptical that there’s even a crime to investigate.

Agree

Yep, those are indeed suspicious circumstances. Missing from that list is anything to indicate a crime. Not saying there wasn’t a crime, but if there was we’ll get evidence indicating as much soon enough. Until then, I’m not convinced and I’m certainly not convinced PF is involved in the unspecified crime that I don’t even know occurred.

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Agree

Two more questions
7) Do we know for sure his mother is in poor health and he is caring for her?
8) Is he paying a hefty amount of child support?

Isn't he and his mother primary caretakers of the child?

No idea what their reasons are, but I anxiously await hearing both the results and the original justification for the warrant. LE appears to equipped for a very thorough search, I would expect to know very soon if there’s reason to suspect PF or not.

It's a big show of force. So we wait. We either hear they found woman's arrest him OR we hear nothing because the usual centered in an active investigation!

 

[kkdj]

- Phone ping in Gooding, ID on 11/25 at 5:13pm
- Cinnamon rolls on the counter which were made Thanksgiving morning (cold)

Yeah....more than likely long gone.....
I'll bet she's somewhere between home and Idaho.
Imo
Whoever took her phone there to ping knew where she had family to make the ping look like she was on her way to visit. This is a person known to her. imo

 

[alexwood]

Woodland Park Police Department | 12/15/18, 9:58 AM (MST)

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From the Woodland Park PD 12/15/18, 9:58 AM (MST) Press Release:

"At this time the Department of Human Services does not have evidence that Kaylee's safety is at risk while in Patrick Frazee's custody."

 

[AmatuerDetective]

The FBI got involved because they were asked by local/CBI. Evidently they WANT the help of the FBI.

It's no different than the Tibbetts case when local/state asked they get involved about a week after Mollie went missing. There was and still no evidence her murder was an interstate crime. JMO

Who said the FBI refuses to help when asked????

 

[Deleted member 155000]

- Phone ping in Gooding, ID on 11/25 at 5:13pm
- Cinnamon rolls on the counter which were made Thanksgiving morning (cold)

We don’t know when cinnamon rolls were made.

 

[SharonNeedles]

A lot of people thought Dalton (Mollie’s boyfriend) or her brothers (I personally thought her brothers) were involved too throughout the case, and they had nothing to do with it in the end. Another reason I’m not totally putting all of my eggs in the PF basket.

Perfect examples of why PF should lawyer up, shut up, and just keep low as the investigation runs it’s course. Even if he’s the center of LE’s suspicion and they’re trying to build a case against him (like WC). He’s got nothing to gain and everything to lose.

 

[kkdj]

I wonder if PF tries to leave town if they will stop him. They didn't arrest Jodi Arias until she tried to leave town. Iirc they had her under surveillance but her trying to leave town caused them to act quickly.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I’m thinking they may not know that level of detail yet, unless the phone company turned it over pretty quickly. They would have to scrub through a decent amount of data to get that ping trail.

Hopefully they will be able to get all the details in time.

 

[zecats]

If the source of that information is PF; that is, if PF told LE that he picked the child up at Kelsey's home, and LE repeated that to the media, then I don't take this to be a fact. I made that mistake in the Charli Scott case. The perpetrator told Charli's sister what happened the night she disappeared, and it was a big lie. Unless there is corroborating information such as video, we have only PF's word that he picked the child up when he said he did.

Well the source on here is a verified family member. Guess it depends on her source.

 

[Thinker22]

One plausible reason for not texting Mom might be that she wanted to surprise Mom with a visit. Not very likely at this point, but plausible.

 

[Schmitz5100]

Can someone refer me to a post that explains what PF describes the nature of the last time he saw her?

 

[Kapua]

Yep, those are indeed suspicious circumstances. Missing from that list is anything to indicate a crime. Not saying there wasn’t a crime, but if there was we’ll get evidence indicating as much soon enough. Until then, I’m not convinced and I’m certainly not convinced PF is involved in the unspecified crime that I don’t even know occurred.

I totally respect your opinion, and your personal level of evidence and persuasion needed to become convinced.
In past cases, I have found it helpful to divide facts from speculation. That's why I started the list.

Many posters have said that we don't know much, and this is true. It may be a while before we know much more. We will see what the 3-day search reveals.

 

[BRRI]

Perfect examples of why PF should lawyer up, shut up, and just keep low as the investigation runs it’s course. Even if he’s the center of LE’s suspicion and they’re trying to build a case against him (like WC). He’s got nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Yea I agree. Same with the Natalie Bollinger case. Most people, including some of her close family, thought that her boyfriend killed her. He didn’t report her missing, lawyered up immediately, his gun was missing, even had a shady past. He didn’t do it in the end. I do feel that PF was involved in this, but I’m not totally convinced. Too many crazy cases this year to ever be fully convinced.

 

[chihuahua]

Perfect examples of why PF should lawyer up, shut up, and just keep low as the investigation runs it’s course. Even if he’s the center of LE’s suspicion and they’re trying to build a case against him (like WC). He’s got nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Very true and well said.
If I were in his situation, I would have a lawyer.
Then I would request a lie detector test from a highly ranked and highly accurate specialist.
That is what I, as an innocent person, would choose to do.
That's what Polly Klaas' dad did...
just my opinion
Chi

 

[Schmitz5100]

I apologize if this has already been posted. It was marked for immediate public release. Hmmm...

So if you don’t ask for a voluntary search LE must assume he’ll say no anyway. There must be something they sure needed to look for and didn’t want to delay asking for permission, being denied, and then having to get a search warrant.

 

[JRAIG]

I’d be interested to know the reasoning behind your skepticism. For me, there are many signs pointing to PF and no signs pointing away from him. LE certainly seems to be on that track, too.

How do you not suspect the significant other when he was the last person known to be with the missing person and she didn’t have her own vehicle? Her purse was gone but her car wasn’t, and he has the baby. So that tells me that at some point he came to her house and she and the baby left with him. Nothing else makes sense to me.

I agree with you. But let me play devils advocate for a moment.

Let’s say they did break up on or before Thanksgiving. KB is distraught and tells PF she needs to clear her head and is totally comfortable leaving the baby with PF for a couple of days. Between the time she leaves and the 25th she meets with some unrelated foul play. The perpetrator sends a text a couple of days later assuring him that she is okay but she needs more time. I know that if a stranger went through my phone they could probably piece together a decent, reassuring text message to send my SO in that situation. My SO is labeled “Wife” in my phone.

As soon as it is established that she is missing he lawyers up because he realizes, rightfully so, that he looks guilty.

Again, it’s a stretch I know but I’m playing devils advocate.

 

[Lhughessk]

One plausible reason for not texting Mom might be that she wanted to surprise Mom with a visit. Not very likely at this point, but plausible.

But how plausible is it to visit someone 700 miles away without taking your own vehicle. If there were any indication that she rented a car or got someone to take her or left on a bus, seems like LE would have uncovered that and released that information.

 

[Kapua]

- Phone ping in Gooding, ID on 11/25 at 5:13pm
- Cinnamon rolls on the counter which were made Thanksgiving morning (cold)

How could I forget the cinnamon rolls?