CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #8

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I hope this is not going to be another Susan Powell scenario, and I really, really hope that KB left behind a good electronic trail of virtual footprints for LE to follow; cell phone activity, video surveillance, etc. I hope LE knows a lot more than we do and is just playing their cards close to the chest as usual. But I fear that it could be a long while before we get answers.
Yeah, I’m not optimistic of any quick answers here.

You don’t have to commit the perfect crime, you just have to muddy the waters enough.

Right now, that appears to be the case.

Unless some huge mistakes were made, or her body is found, we might not have a satisfactory resolution here.
 
Has it been stated that PF is the daily childcare person? If so, I missed that.

Also, any reason to believe they were getting a tree on that day?? She was getting recipes.

Also, I don’t agree that she is necessarily “too good” for him, as some have suggested. What does that even mean? She obviously thought he was good enough to have him as father of her child. And we know as much about Kelsey as we do about him, really, meaning almost nothing. Her mother is the only one who described her, and she also said they have a loving relationship. Jmo
I very much doubt that child was planned.
 
K would not have been allowed to fly with KB. When I say primary caregiver, I mean when K was with PF. I apologize my post did not convey that message.

I believe when PF had custody of K, for whatever reason, (which certainly included when KB was flying for work), PF's mother did most of the hands-on care. To make a living, PF had to be out and about, not tied to the house and property.

I guess a lot of people don't know that much about ranching, horses, farriers, cattle brokers, etc. I didn't expect posters to think PF dragged K with him all over western CO and other states for his job. In the west, it is not uncommon to drive hundreds of miles for work. There is not that much population in the Florissant area who have enough horses for PF to sit and make "house call" appointments in the local neighborhood.

Football teams sometimes have to be bussed six hours or more one way just to play a game in their district. People drive four hours or more to go shopping for the day in the biggest city close to them. People in the western US are used to driving for hours, and most of the roads (unless in mountainous areas) are straight and flat. People don't quote how many miles it is from town to town but say how many hours/minutes it takes, and that's usually driving 70-75 mph.

By necessity, PF needed to be out working and networking to make a living. And the area in which he could work wasn't some nice little 15-mile area.
(BBM) You have not met my significant other. EVERYTHING is in miles. And the exact mileage. "That's 'about' 236 miles away." "Why would you want to drive 214 miles?" The worst part is he is basically a human atlas so he rattles off those distances off the top of his head. I actually am now used to quoting things in miles as opposed to time. But if I think back, I did find that strange when I first met him.

Sorry, carry on. I am cinnamon-rolled out.
 
PF is a farrier, horse and cattle broker, a dog trainer who raises his own pups. By necessity, he spends a lot of time in barns shoeing horses on his property and the property of others. To make a living, he would have to go out of town.

Many people have made the assumption PF did a lot of the daycare for K. That is a wrong assumption. SF, PF's mother, lives at the same location and she would have been the primary caregiver for when K was in their custody. I'm not saying PF didn't play with K or never give her a bottle, etc. What I want to convey is I believe PF's mother, SF, who helps him run the ranch, is the one who would be K's primary caretaker when KB didn't have her.

Let that sink in.

Huh? I'm sorry, but I believe many are going off the rails a little in regards to the child. Based on what you posted, working parents, especially business owners, do not have time for their children, therefor they are lacking in the parent department. Especially if they have someone else watch the child for periods of time. I believe that's more than 1/2 of the U.S. There are certainly some stay-at-home moms or dads who are not the greatest parents. I guess my point, that was a pretty broad paint brush stroke on this guys business and his ability to parent.

There also might be reasons the child is with certain people now and not others. We honestly don't know the family dynamic. My opinion of course.
 
Kelsey may have told her mom that she was going out for dinner that night, but we don’t know if she was telling her mom the truth.

If she did have dinner plans, we don’t know for sure if she kept them.

I get the feeling that whatever happened to her, happened before that.
 
PF is a farrier, horse and cattle broker, a dog trainer who raises his own pups. By necessity, he spends a lot of time in barns shoeing horses on his property and the property of others. To make a living, he would have to go out of town.

Many people have made the assumption PF did a lot of the daycare for K. That is a wrong assumption. SF, PF's mother, lives at the same location and she would have been the primary caregiver for when K was in their custody. I'm not saying PF didn't play with K or never give her a bottle, etc. What I want to convey is I believe PF's mother, SF, who helps him run the ranch, is the one who would be K's primary caretaker when KB didn't have her.

Let that sink in.
I think you are making assumptions. I have heard from people who have knowledge of farriers that they sometimes take their children along. I could see that here. MOO
 
Kelsey may have told her mom that she was going out for dinner that night, but we don’t know if she was telling her mom the truth.

If she did have dinner plans, we don’t know for sure if she kept them.

I get the feeling that whatever happened to her, happened before that.

Good summary

Nor do we know who the dinner plans were with

It is odd that nobody missed her for dinner

What you noted, are the clues KB left behind ... our responsibility is to decode them
 
Good summary

Nor do we know who the dinner plans were with

It is odd that nobody missed her for dinner

What you noted, are the clues KB left behind ... our responsibility is to decode them

Kelsey told her mom that she was going to dinner with her fiance and her baby. This was posted on the official family fb for this case. It is pretty odd that the fiance didn't miss her at dinner and didn't report her missing, isn't it?
 
Good summary

Nor do we know who the dinner plans were with

It is odd that nobody missed her for dinner

What you noted, are the clues KB left behind ... our responsibility is to decode them
Somebody missing her for dinner, would only be odd if it was not PF.

You can’t miss someone if you are responsible for them not being there.

After all, he didn’t miss her when she dissapeared for a week and a half.
 
One thought about the search warrant and impounding PF's car. Certainly it was probed and may not be returned in the same condition- rugs/seat covers taken. Evidence other than blood etc would not be very valuable since Kelsey has been in the car. Even blood can be explained away.

What they might find is evidence of recent cleaning fluid residue etc, including particular types. Possibly more circumstantial evidence. Don't know many cowboys that keep clean cars.

Wait, I don't know any cowboys.
 
I've seen from itty bitty babies, 5-6 weeks old, up through school age. Including mobile toddlers. Then during school breaks, the older kids sometimes come along.

Small enough to carry in a car seat is meaningless, and we don't know how big baby K actually is. I don't use the pumpkin seats as my kids don't like them and shriek from a very young age, so I start with the convertible seats that fit newborns. But some pumpkin seats go to 30+ pounds and while the seat is heavy, if you are used to carrying it, they aren't impossible to lift that weight.

I have never seen a farrier bring his baby, in a carrier or otherwise, into a shed or barn to work with kicking horses. If that truly happened, it is irresponsible. Even if a horse doesn't kick, it sometimes will stomp feet down or move sideways and/or front to back on a tether. Having a baby close enough to see and care for while working on large stock animals is dangerous and unnecessary.

What do you mean we don't know how big a baby K is? We've seen her in recent video held by her dad and in a car seat with her mom.
 
One thought about the search warrant and impounding PF's car. Certainly it was probed and may not be returned in the same condition- rugs/seat covers taken. Evidence other than blood etc would not be very valuable since Kelsey has been in the car. Even blood can be explained away.

What they might find is evidence of recent cleaning fluid residue etc, including particular types. Possibly more circumstantial evidence. Don't know many cowboys that keep clean cars.

Wait, I don't know any cowboys.

Lime

If they discovered lime in the truck bed
 
I think, because we have so little to go on, we are making a bigger deal out of the cinnamon rolls Then need be. My guess is she got the recipe for them from her mom, got the stuff she needed to make them at Safeway and made them. I notice my own kids frequently ask me for a recipe on a holiday. The things we had from year to year mean holidays to them and they miss them. Maybe her mom made cinnamon rolls each Thanksgiving Morning and she herself had a craving for them.

I don’t like victimizing of victims. There is not one shread of real evidence she had mental problems. Not one!

I pray they find her, one way or the other! I feel so sad for her family!
 
Kelsey told her mom that she was going to dinner with her fiance and her baby. This was posted on the official family fb for this case. It is pretty odd that the fiance didn't miss her at dinner and didn't report her missing, isn't it?
Maybe they did have dinner together. Is it possible KB baked the cinnamon rolls on 11/23?
 
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We all hope that she makes it home safely.

It would be absolutely wonderful if she went off to clear her head or something.

Right now, there is evidence that contradicts that theory.

Strongly.

This isn’t simply a case of pointing a finger at the person closest to her, a person who is statistically most likely to have something to do with her disappearance.

That cell phone activity doesn’t indicate that she went off on her own.

That appears to be the intent of those messages and ping, to sell that story.

Ironically, this apparent attempt to misdirect the focus of any potential investigation, actually directs that focus towards one person.

The “fiancé.”
 
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Hi all,

Random question, if they return PF’s truck to him and put a tracker on it do they have to disclose that to him? I mean, it seems like they would but then he’d probably just drive another vehicle. Anyone know?
 
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