CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #1

[zapped]

If its a .22 is wouldnt be too much of a problem to shoot without ear protection. Some lighter loads make less noise than a pellet gun.

True

I found this homemade silencer on youtube in under 5 seconds as well.

[video=youtube;iaFDzrUWOEI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaFDzrUWOEI[/video]

 

[FindHG]

If its a .22 is wouldnt be too much of a problem to shoot without ear protection. Some lighter loads make less noise than a pellet gun.

I know a lil more than zilch about guns. Focusing on his murders or those that have seemed the closest hits, the methods used there, what the preparations and conditions may have been, like what else was going on in the neighborhood at the time, LE wise most interesting to me, that would have been publicly available, on scanners, events, meetings, whatever, that may stand out to people there at the time?

 

[Foxfire]

There is reporting of a car being shot at in Colorado Springs on I-25; very minimal info but here's a link. who knows if its related but thought i'd share

http://www.krdo.com/news/car-driving-on-i25-in-colorado-springs-hit-by-at-least-six-bullets/33422658

June 5, 2015

The shooting early Friday involving a car with three people in it on Interstate 25 does not appear to be random, said Colorado Springs police spokeswoman Lt. Catherine Buckley.
The shooting is believed to be the result of an earlier incident involving two groups of people.

The three victims, the 47-year-old driver and two passengers, were treated at a hospital and released, Buckley said. She said she did not know the nature of their injuries. No arrests have been made.
http://gazette.com/police-say-inter...colorado-springs-wasnt-random/article/1553187

 

[zapped]

If it was a shotgun, and it was being shot from a vehicle, that seems to indicate TWO perps. Right? Could we have two sick knuckleheads driving around shooting at random people?

I doubt a shotgun is being used for two reasons:

One they are quite a bit louder than a 22 rifle or pistol

Two shotgun shells are filled with tiny steel shots (like BB's) that spread or fan outwards in a cone. Depending on the guage they do a massive amount of damage up close and less the further away you get from a target.

Seems to me that LE would have found evidence of this as well since there are dozens of shot in a single shell.

 

[Foxfire]

I doubt a shotgun is being used for two reasons:

One they are quite a bit louder than a 22 rifle or pistol

Two shotgun shells are filled with tiny steel shots (like BB's) that spread or fan outwards in a cone. Depending on the guage they do a massive amount of damage up close and less the further away you get from a target.

Seems to me that LE would have found evidence of this as well since there are dozens of shot in a single shell.

<BBM for Focus>
Yes, due to the increased noise, and for other reasons, it is doubtful that a shotgun is being used, zapped. Shotgun shells also fire single projectiles called &#8220;slugs.&#8221; Generally reserved for big-game hunting. Slugs are only effective within 60 or so yards..
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Someone also mentioned spent/ejected shell cartridges. Spent cartridge collectors for firearms have been around as long as I can remember. The collector bags can be purchased at any firearm store or amazon.. If the firearm is being fired from the vehicle by the perp/s, no collector bag would be necessary..

Spent cartridge collector <1987> http://www.google.com/patents/US4715141
US 4715141 A
ABSTRACT
A spent cartridge collector for use with a firearm with a side opening cartridge ejection port. The collector is hinged to permit quick access to and inspection of the firearm ejection port and includes a cartridge collection bag having Velcro strips at the bottom thereof for facilitating the emptying of the bag.

 

[sarabean]

BBM - you might be on to something...I looked at the video and wondered if the subliminal message was about the FBI swarming into the State (or something like that)...leaving someone to die in the road is degrading but this seems way beyond road rage...

Take the information I'm about to share with as much credibility as you'd like, since it's just hearsay from my aunt who is friends with family members of the deceased Loveland man. She has reason to believe that the individual is a disgruntled ex-police officer or an employee of the sheriffs office that had been fired.

It seems fitting to me, but perhaps I'm just hoping there's truth to it and that the info came from LE so that I am not so on edge.

 

[Foxfire]

RE: Ballistics evidence

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/scientific-analysis/fire_tool

The FBI's FTU Mission-

The FBI Firearms/Toolmarks Unit (FTU) applies valid scientific procedures to the forensic examinations of firearms, ammunition components, toolmarks, serial number restoration, gunshot residue, bullet trajectories, and other closely-related physical evidence in support of the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and provides leadership to the forensic firearm and toolmark community through training and research.

The FBI FTU Team

Physical scientists/forensic examiners, physical science technicians, firearms specialist, and ammunition specialist.

The Work

Evidentiary Support
Firearms Identification

Comparing bullets to barrels
Comparing cartridge cases to firearms
Firearms function testing
Silencer testing
Gunshot distance determination
Serial number restoration
Accidental discharge determination
Trigger pull measurements
Ejection pattern testing
Shot pattern examinations

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[FindHG]

Take the information I'm about to share with as much credibility as you'd like, since it's just hearsay from my aunt who is friends with family members of the deceased Loveland man. She has reason to believe that the individual is a disgruntled ex-police officer or an employee of the sheriffs office that had been fired.

It seems fitting to me, but perhaps I'm just hoping there's truth to it and that the info came from LE so that I am not so on edge.

Disgruntled or rejected, challenged, yes, that makes some sense, this may be a creep who set her/his /their sense of self above the rules, off base, doesn't much like nice friendly people either, which judging from the natures of the victims and all the people on the ground who have pitched in to contribute and help with information or with their life experience, eyes on observations, posting on thread, many people in CO seem to be at ease with each other, not that pissed off, as a norm.

 

[Forager]

In going thru old articles yesterday and today, I stumbled across another three I-25 window shatterings from April 2014: 2 "from 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM", on Wed. 4/29/15 (putting that day's tally to 5) and one at an unknown time on Thurs. 4/30/15 (the first for that day). I've added them to the map and spreadsheet.

 

[Foxfire]

FBI Bulletin: Interactive Social Media: The Value for Law Enforcement 9/3/2013
http://leb.fbi.gov/2013/september/interactive-social-media-the-value-for-law-enforcement

The increase in use of interactive social media in the last 5 years has changed how people live their lives. Individuals use smart phones to post photos, identify their location, and advise what they are doing. If law enforcement agencies fully engage the public by using social media, the department and the community benefit by increasing collaboration and enhancing investigative capabilities. With well-planned implementation, the use of social media can impact community issues, and police departments and citizens can work together to solve crimes.

Many law enforcement agencies have expanded their involvement in social media, using platforms, such as Facebook, Twitter, and Nixle, to deliver information to their communities. One benefit is that departments can send data directly to the public. Law enforcement organizations can use these sites to inform people of upcoming activities and current investigations where they need public assistance.
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[Foxfire]

The following is a very good 'go to' page for anyone interested in info on serial murder investigations. Imo, it should be updated since the advent of social media participation began in 2007 when facebook first became available to the general public.

FBI BAU2 Serial Murder <2005 Symposium>
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

IX. Media Issues in Serial Murder Investigations <BBM>

Serial murder cases are inherently newsworthy. Some investigations last for years. Many attract attention because of the type of victims involved, and in others the serial killers themselves are media-attractive. Media attention is exacerbated by the insatiable demands of the twenty-four-hours-a-day, seven-days-a-week news reporting industry. The constant news attention on the investigation inevitably results in conflicts with law enforcement.

Often the relationship between law enforcement and the media is not a close one. In some law enforcement agencies, there is a long history of distrust and resentment underpinning this relationship. From the law enforcement perspective, the media publishes unauthorized information from investigations, hypothesizes on investigative progress, and uses talking heads to critique the investigative efforts. From the media&#8217;s standpoint, law enforcement withholds too much information and does not communicate adequately with the media. It is counterproductive for law enforcement to sustain contentious relationships with the media, while attempting to develop an overall strategy for a successful serial murder investigation. The only party who benefits from this negative relationship is the serial murderer, who may continue to avoid detection. A respectful, cooperative relationship between law enforcement and the media will serve the missions of both.

It becomes essential for law enforcement personnel involved in a serial murder investigation to design and implement an effective media plan. The plan should provide timely information on a regular basis, without compromising the investigative endeavors. It is essential for media releases to be closely coordinated with investigative strategies. This helps determine the best times to both educate and solicit information from the public concerning certain aspects of the investigation. Once a media plan is established, law enforcement can be more proactive than reactive in its media strategy.
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[Forager]

That post #691 of yours immediately prior was sooooooo helpful, Foxfire! I'd been scratching my head over how the media / law enforcement relationship works, and what our role is in it.

Can you take it a step further for me and suggest what lessons there might be there for how I should be doing my stuff here on Websleuths?

 

[Foxfire]

That post #691 of yours immediately prior was sooooooo helpful, Foxfire! I'd been scratching my head over how the media / law enforcement relationship works, and what our role is in it.

Can you take it a step further for me and suggest what lessons there might be there for how I should be doing my stuff here on Websleuths?

<BBM for Focus>
Thanx Forager. I primarily post informational articles from past research for others as food for thought. As for doing your stuff here on websleuths, I suggest that you don't take my advice.

As technology rapidly progresses in the 21st century, I have found that many LE investigative agencies, for various reasons, are reluctant to take advantage of this very valuable and free resource. My career was in Public Safety and I understand the many reasons why change comes very slowly..

 

[KaaBoom]

I am only speculating about the duo of shooters because I cant' see how a driver could manage a rifle while driving and some of the witnesses have spoken about a car pulling alongside them. The shooter could be in the backseat, so they could shift from side to side, depending upon the target.

I think it is a possibility. Here is a cop doing it.

[video=youtube;48s4b6Y9oeA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48s4b6Y9oeA[/video]

 

[Forager]

I've only ever shot from stationary positions at stationary targets, and was always impressed at how much time and attention it took to set up a good shot. I'm having a hard time imagining a single person, driving up an on ramp (as in the Romero shooting) shooting out of the driver's side window at a moving car to his left (the relative position of Romero's car). But then again, I find it a little challenging changing the radio station as I drive. Is that kind of shot reliably doable by a single shooter at a short distance?

The police also found a bullet hole in the car door, so maybe a single shooter did have a hard time making that shot and might have lucked out on the second shot. Can anyone out there advise?

 

[Forager]

How far is this from the other incident on Lincoln Ave, the shattered incident the night before the latest fatal shooting?

See fhg's image:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...orado-Drivers-on-Edge&p=11826455#post11826455


*hard to keep track of all this. I'm getting all confused.

The Connole shooting (star) to the 6/2/15 shattering (orange circle) = 13.5 miles as the mouse flies, and not much further by car.

 

[KaaBoom]

Fun video! Thank you. But remember that we're talking about a moving car in two (Romero, Connole) of the three presumed 'firearms' shootings (Romero, Jacoby, Connole). Even a meaty guy like the one in video couldn't stop his arm from bouncing up and down with the weight of a rifle in it if he were driving simultaneously. A pistol might be doable.

Sorry I changed that video to one showing a cop doing it while driving. I believe that Frantzy Armand, the Miami cab driver who went on a rampage also fired a rifle from a moving car. But I have to go back over all the details of that case.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Mother-of-Suspect-in-Stolen-Squad-Car-Shootout-Speaks-Out-299791651.html

North Miami resident Bernadette Gonzales was driving to work near Sans Souci Boulevard when, police said, she was shot on Northeast 123rd Street, off Sans Souci Boulevard. She told 7News she was in her Saturn convertible with the top down, and she looked out and saw an assault rifle pointed directly at her from a police cruiser. She said she was then fired upon several times. "I thought I was going to die, I did," she said.

http://www.wsvn.com/story/28834751/woman-injured-by-taxi-driver-during-shooting-spree-shares-ordeal

 

[Forager]

Sorry I changed that video to one showing a cop doing it while driving. I believe that Frantzy Armand, the Miami cab driver who went on a rampage also fired a rifle from a moving car. But I have to go back over all the details of that case.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Mother-of-Suspect-in-Stolen-Squad-Car-Shootout-Speaks-Out-299791651.html

Where do you find this fascinating stuff? I note that the officer in that video was shooting with his rifle supported by the dash board, and thru his front windshield. (And boy must his ears have been ringing!)

 

[Ray_of_hope]

It's also possible that it's more than one perp like the DC Sniper case. Interesting to note all the L's involved (Lincoln x 2, Loveland, New OrLeans). The DC snipers also shot on highways, parking lots, etc if I remember correctly.

 

[margarita25]

Take the information I'm about to share with as much credibility as you'd like, since it's just hearsay from my aunt who is friends with family members of the deceased Loveland man. She has reason to believe that the individual is a disgruntled ex-police officer or an employee of the sheriffs office that had been fired.

It seems fitting to me, but perhaps I'm just hoping there's truth to it and that the info came from LE so that I am not so on edge.

It wouldn't surprise me...

If so, then it might make it harder to catch the guy since he is familiar with their operations.