CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[margarita25]

Have we learned yet how far away LAM lived and worked from the AZ shootings?

 

[margarita25]

The days that have multiple incidents in April...trying to analyze the "orders" via geographics/directions/times. For instance 4/23, 4/28, 4/29.

 

[margarita25]

Cross:

Shat. 4/23/15 1/2

At about 12:10 p.m. Thursday, a 46-year-old Johnstown man was traveling south on Weld County Road 49 — between WCR 24 and WCR 26 — when the front driver's-side window of his vehicle shattered. The man was uninjured, but he believes the window may have been "shot out," according to WCSO. Per Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/04/23/woman-shot-near-windsor/26232009/ ||| "Driver's side window of a semi-truck shattered as it traveled southbound to Interstate 76." Source: Marshall Zelinger 7 News Denver:http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...indow-incidents-on-northern-colorado-highways

 

[margarita25]

Shat. 4/28/15 2/3

"A man was driving a white work truck about 9:50 a.m. (Tuesday 4/28) south on I-25 about a half-mile south of the Mountain Vista exit when the driver-side window shattered. He said he was able to pull to the right shoulder, and that's where the shards of glass crumbled to the concrete. " Per Adrian Garcia, Coloradan Google map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z-mqdpyZHAq8.katD6ILWJAAc Another description: "...Randy Lingbloom reported that his driver-side window broke as he traveled I-25 north of the Mulberry exit in Fort Collins." Per Jason Pohl, Katie de la Rosa and Associated Press:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/04/29/shattered-window-reports-stream-wednesday-larimer-

*"half a mile south" / cross Mtn Vista.

Argh, I'm all over the place.

Thinking out loud/looking, are any of these incidents on I25 not within half a mile of a crossroad/overpass?

 

[margarita25]

Zooming in on satellite, crossroad at CR 60:

"Wed. 4/29/15 [between 10:00 AM and 11:00 AM*] the Larimer County Sheriff's Office responded to an insurance firm in Fort Collins where a woman reported her rear passenger truck window had shattered while she drove I-25 near Wellington at about mile marker 276 |||| http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...rts-stream-wednesday-larimer-county/26586005/ and * http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado_35618672_ ||||| Photo source:http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado/26610621/

 

[margarita25]

Last post, these all are on/near / surround /cross near 34:

Shat. 4/29/15 4/4

Two drivers on northbound I-25 reported windows shattering between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. on Wed. [4/29/15], per The Larimer CSO. [One] "incident happened on mile marker 276 and [this one] was at mile marker 257." Source: Deb Stanley, 7News Denver: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado_35618672_

Shot Missed 6/3/15

Shot fired at, but missed, an unnamed person on the night of 6/3/15 at Denver Ave and East Eisenhower Boulevard in Loveland. The person only reported the incident to police about two weeks later. Based on a description from that person and others, the NOCO Task Force produced a sketch of a vehicle of interest which they released on 6/23/15. Blair Shiff, KUSA: http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/23/noco-shattered-window-incidents/29153755/ |||| The target was described during a 9/17/15 press conference as a motercyclist driving on Denver Drive and East 18th .

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/northern-colorado-shooting-task-force-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward
"A man is dead after being found shot on a Loveland sidewalk, the victim of a drive by shooting to which police responded at 10:52 PM Wed. 6/3/15. 65-year-old William Roger Connole, Jr. was found bleeding and unable to talk, then died. Location: East First Street and St. Louis Avenue, Loveland, CO. Katie de la Rosa, Coloradoan 6/4/15: http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...-shooting-victim-loving-grandfather/28486929/ Also Fox31, 6/4/15, by Web Staff: http://kdvr.com/2015/06/04/one-dead-in-loveland-drive-by-shooting/ |||| Another story, w/ video, Jason Pohl, The Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/06/04/loveland

This crosses at 392, which runs parallel to 34:
Shat. 4/29/15 2/4

Wed. 4/29/15 between 10:00 AM and 11:00 AM* "... Investigators responded to the park-and-ride near the Windsor exit. There, Brady Collins told investigators she was driving northbound on the SE Frontage road south of Windsor when her passenger window shattered. Per Jason Pohl, Katie de la Rosa and Associated Press in The Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...rts-stream-wednesday-larimer-county/26586005/ and * http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado_35618672_. |||| The location shown is approximate and based only on the description above.

*34 is virtually the x axis.

fftobed:

Eta: Need a graphical representation of chronology...is that possible Forager? Numbered pins maybe, with a,b,c,d for multiple daily incidents?

Eta: Also, remember Jacoby's pin originally misplaced a little north at the cross street iirc? Cross..

 

[margarita25]

The lack of overpasses / aerial vantage point / overpasses could be why there has been no activity on 287 (knock on wood), which runs parallel to I-25 (in addition to this being a possible exit route via the cross streets).

I have a possible theory now that he is firing from the aerial vantage points and escape routes provided by the perpendicular cross streets. I know we have discussed the overpasses since thread 1; if you zoom in on satellite view on the map it seems to possibly make sense when you look collectively at the incidents. Jmo

*I think surveillance footage on the cross streets could prove useful, however so much time has passed.

Jmo

 

[FindHG]

Last post, these all are on/near / surround /cross near 34:

Shat. 4/29/15 4/4

Two drivers on northbound I-25 reported windows shattering between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m. on Wed. [4/29/15], per The Larimer CSO. [One] "incident happened on mile marker 276 and [this one] was at mile marker 257." Source: Deb Stanley, 7News Denver: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado_35618672_

Shot Missed 6/3/15

Shot fired at, but missed, an unnamed person on the night of 6/3/15 at Denver Ave and East Eisenhower Boulevard in Loveland. The person only reported the incident to police about two weeks later. Based on a description from that person and others, the NOCO Task Force produced a sketch of a vehicle of interest which they released on 6/23/15. Blair Shiff, KUSA: http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/23/noco-shattered-window-incidents/29153755/ |||| The target was described during a 9/17/15 press conference as a motercyclist driving on Denver Drive and East 18th .

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/northern-colorado-shooting-task-force-checking-2-new-shootings-increasing-reward
"A man is dead after being found shot on a Loveland sidewalk, the victim of a drive by shooting to which police responded at 10:52 PM Wed. 6/3/15. 65-year-old William Roger Connole, Jr. was found bleeding and unable to talk, then died. Location: East First Street and St. Louis Avenue, Loveland, CO. Katie de la Rosa, Coloradoan 6/4/15: http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...-shooting-victim-loving-grandfather/28486929/ Also Fox31, 6/4/15, by Web Staff: http://kdvr.com/2015/06/04/one-dead-in-loveland-drive-by-shooting/ |||| Another story, w/ video, Jason Pohl, The Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/06/04/loveland

This crosses at 392, which runs parallel to 34:
Shat. 4/29/15 2/4

Wed. 4/29/15 between 10:00 AM and 11:00 AM* "... Investigators responded to the park-and-ride near the Windsor exit. There, Brady Collins told investigators she was driving northbound on the SE Frontage road south of Windsor when her passenger window shattered. Per Jason Pohl, Katie de la Rosa and Associated Press in The Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...rts-stream-wednesday-larimer-county/26586005/ and * http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...rt-windows-shattering-in-n-colorado_35618672_. |||| The location shown is approximate and based only on the description above.

*34 is virtually the x axis.

fftobed:

Eta: Need a graphical representation of chronology...is that possible Forager? Numbered pins maybe, with a,b,c,d for multiple daily incidents?

Eta: Also, remember Jacoby's pin originally misplaced a little north at the cross street iirc? Cross..

Cross:

Shat. 4/23/15 1/2

At about 12:10 p.m. Thursday, a 46-year-old Johnstown man was traveling south on Weld County Road 49 — between WCR 24 and WCR 26 — when the front driver's-side window of his vehicle shattered. The man was uninjured, but he believes the window may have been "shot out," according to WCSO. Per Coloradoan:http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/04/23/woman-shot-near-windsor/26232009/ ||| "Driver's side window of a semi-truck shattered as it traveled southbound to Interstate 76." Source: Marshall Zelinger 7 News Denver:http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...indow-incidents-on-northern-colorado-highways

This is excellent work, magz. You completely make sense to me. It seems like you've honed in on a comfort zone of sorts. As you keep going with this, is there some way to demonstrate it graphically? Maybe Forager can come up with a way.

 

[margarita25]

I would venture to guess that many of these incidents have been determined to be road debris, etc because they couldn't/ didn't close off the busy highway to ever investigate. Or did they?

 

[margarita25]

This is excellent work, magz. You completely make sense to me. It seems like you've honed in on a comfort zone of sorts. As you keep going with this, is there some way to demonstrate it graphically? Maybe Forager can come up with a way, when he's done decoruming around.

Thank you. Reading back, I'm not sure I did the best job explaining myself because it was late, I was so tired and it was brainstorming/thinking out loud so apologies if I sounded confusing, I was pretty much making notes. I did not sleep a wiiiiiiink last night, tossed and turned all night with images of maps and cross streets in my head. Visiting the exact mile marker(s) this past weekend made a huge impact on how I see this. Now where to go from here, and what good all this does...

I think being openly perched on an overpass is too risky to be not only spotted, but also risky to get away. I'm thinking at this moment that he/they are in a vehicle, and maybe shoot out the window down onto the highway /ramps /frontage roads as they are going over the overpass/bridge. I would also think there would be less traffic, if none, on some of these crossroads so they could get in a clear shot with nobody seeing them. They have the aerial advantage and vantage point. It would be fairly easy to hang a barrel out the window, especially if there is a passenger with the gun. Some of the incidents I just listed above, I'm interested to see if all of those cross streets go over the highway like a bridge. Again, say they travel laterally east west they could shoot north south, or ne or nw, se or sw, even comfortably aim/ point out at say position 9:00/10:00/11:00 (driver) or 1:00/2:00/3:00 (passenger) for example..Say the vehicle is traveling east on the bridge, the passenger could point out to the right and aim south, or southeast, accounting for the rear window hits and/or targets hit frontally while merging north...again, not sure I'm explaining myself clearly. Hope I didn't confuse my directions in his post lol. Going on no sleep.

 

[FindHG]

Thank you. Reading back, I'm not sure I did the best job explaining myself because it was late, I was so tired and it was brainstorming/thinking out loud so apologies if I sounded confusing, I was pretty much making notes. I did not sleep a wiiiiiiink last night, tossed and turned all night with images of maps and cross streets in my head. Visiting the exact mile marker(s) this past weekend made a huge impact on how I see this. Now where to go from here, and what good all this does...

I think being openly perched on an overpass is too risky to be not only spotted, but also risky to get away. I'm thinking at this moment that he/they are in a vehicle, and maybe shoot out the window down onto the highway /ramps /frontage roads as they are going over the overpass/bridge. I would also think there would be less traffic, if none, on some of these crossroads so they could get in a clear shot with nobody seeing them. They have the aerial advantage and vantage point. It would be fairly easy to hang a barrel out the window, especially if there is a passenger with the gun. Some of the incidents I just listed above, I'm interested to see if all of those cross streets go over the highway like a bridge. Again, say they travel laterally east west they could shoot north south, or ne or nw, se or sw, even comfortably aim/ point out at say position 9:00/10:00/11:00 (driver) or 1:00/2:00/3:00 (passenger) for example..Say the vehicle is traveling east on the bridge, the passenger could point out to the right and aim south, or southeast, accounting for the rear window hits and/or targets hit frontally while merging north...again, not sure I'm explaining myself clearly. Hope I didn't confuse my directions in his post lol. Going on no sleep.

Perfectly explained. Not being seen, having time and the capacity either through line of sight, feedback from somebody else, to determine a controlled situation, in terms of traffic, trajectory and getting away, every time up to now, whomever is doing it. As you aptly point out, and thank you magz for staying up and thinking this through because that is how it works, there's a pattern to be discerned of how the perp/s may approach taking shots at drivers.

 

[margarita25]

So, I'm thinking, perhaps using the zoomed in satellite views (screenshot) as well as Forager's map & spreadsheet that includes the details of the specific windows hit & the directions of travel and precise incident locations maybe we can try to draw some possible trajectory lines...I'm surprised we have not tried to do this before...



*maybe start with the first few incidents, Jan / Feb / April / Romero , etc, and/or the ones which we have all the variables.

*nothing in March iirc?

 

[FindHG]

So, I'm thinking, perhaps using the zoomed in satellite views (screenshot) as well as Forager's map & spreadsheet that includes the details of the specific windows hit & the directions of travel and precise incident locations maybe we can try to draw some possible trajectory lines...I'm surprised we have not tried to do this before...



*maybe start with the first few incidents, Jan / Feb / April / Romero , etc, and/or the ones which we have all the variables.

*nothing in March iirc?

We did a bit, if you recall, with that attempt on directions and times off of the spread sheet. Ideally, what would be nice would be, though you may know better how to approach it, is for every incident to have the kind of diagrams that zapped makes, so you'd have the zoomed in screencaps, then a diagram that would show the vehicle and potential trajectories. Remember the lines we were trying to figure out with Mr. Connole's shooting?

 

[margarita25]

Question for the people that know a lot about guns, can someone explain the difference in the size of the wound/hole in glass based on distance? (Shot at close range vs from a distance)

Also, what would the maximum distance be using a handgun (say 9mm).

And, how does caliber affect distance/travel (say .22 vs 9mm)...I know the gun itself/barrel length makes a difference...

*it seems "half a mile" has come up...(need to check the distances from every overpass/cross street) to each incident.

What about bullets bouncing off, ricocheting? I don't think we have talked about any ricochet factors yet, or have we?

 

[Foxfire]

Question for the people that know a lot about guns, can someone explain the difference in the size of the wound/hole in glass based on distance? (Shot at close range vs from a distance)

Also, what would the maximum distance be using a handgun (say 9mm).

And, how does caliber affect distance/travel (say .22 vs 9mm)...I know the gun itself/barrel length makes a difference...

*it seems "half a mile" has come up...(need to check the distances from every overpass/cross street) to each incident.

What about bullets bouncing off, ricocheting? I don't think we have talked about any ricochet factors yet, or have we?

Margarita25, this link should answer many of your questions;

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/FactorsOfEffectiveRange

About Effective Range

Maximum effective range on an area target: This is the maximum range at which an average shooter can hit a vehicle-sized target 50% of the time. In other words, this is the maximum distance at which it would make sense to open fire on a group or vehicle, etc. If this range were greater than the absolute maximum, the absolute maximum would be quoted (a non-lethal hit may be accurate, but it's not effective).

<See Ranges for Specific Non-Sniper Weapons>

 

[Forager]

... Forager do you know how old these satellite images are linked on your map?

You can't tell the dates of the satelite imagery behind Google Map directly, but you can in Google Earth, which uses the same imagery these days. In Google Earth, the dates are displayed at the bottom of the screen. Google Earth is a free download for recent Windows or Apple computers, but I'm running either at the moment, so I don't have it. Could someone else help Margarita out?

 

[ddg]

Interesting to note that this is happening in my region as well. I live in Canada.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/4th-bb-gun-shooting-alleged-in-waterloo-1.2562204

 

[searchinGirl]

I've been thinking about the highway shootings, and I'm wondering about some sort of mounted robotic camera/shooting mechanism remotely controlled in a "point and shoot" kind of way... I mean, think about the Google Car driving around taking pictures.... the mechanism doesn't need to be on top of the vehicle to work... it wouldn't have the same turning radius but it could be mounted on something inside the car, truck or van ... I believe it's feasible... with accuracy and precision...

it could even be sitting on a tripod off the side of the road (and we tend to look right through them as though they aren't there)... and for sure, the fire power would diminish with the caliber of the weapon because the kick would knock over the tripod so there's a limit to the damage it could do...but in Phoenix the gun was a handgun that could easily be hidden inside the casing of many pieces of modern day survey-grade equipment...and could account for both stationary and mobile firing...

I'm pretty sure the Northern Colorado Task Force is telling us their investigation is not about highway shootings... I mean they couldn't be more succinct... every time they say something, that's what they say... IMO, the timing of their press release last week, in the midst of the Phoenix shootings... was intended to reinforce the idea that they are looking for something else... like a cold-blooded murderer...a sadistic serial killer...a lone-wolf terrorist perhaps...

 

[Forager]

Question for the people that know a lot about guns, can someone explain the difference in the size of the wound/hole in glass based on distance? (Shot at close range vs from a distance)

Also, what would the maximum distance be using a handgun (say 9mm).

And, how does caliber affect distance/travel (say .22 vs 9mm)...I know the gun itself/barrel length makes a difference...

*it seems "half a mile" has come up...(need to check the distances from every overpass/cross street) to each incident.

What about bullets bouncing off, ricocheting? I don't think we have talked about any ricochet factors yet, or have we?

Don't place too much reliance on the location of the markers on the maps. They are almost always somewhat approximate. Most are probably only good to within a mile, even when everyone from the driver to the cop to the reporter to me were good about understanding and expressing things accurately. Locations are almost never quoted to better than the nearest mile marker.

 

[FindHG]

Interesting to note that this is happening in my region as well. I live in Canada.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/4th-bb-gun-shooting-alleged-in-waterloo-1.2562204

:welcome5:

Thank you for bring this information here. The more is known about random road shootings the more hopefully can be done to catch those who do it.

Uh, would you like your own spear?