CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #14

[NCTeacher]

We know he told LE that he wanted to initiate the marital separation. So, if you believe him...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

A resounding "NO" regarding CW's believability.

 

[borndem]

Thank you for summarizing the characteristics. It's crazy how CW fits to a T. I'm looking at these cases for comparison. (Need to add method, motive, etc.)

Jeffrey MacDonald 1970 Wife, 2 daughters
John List 1971 Wife, mother, 3 children
Bradford Bishop 1976 Wife, mother, 3 children
Ronald Gene Simmons 1987 14 family, 2 strangers
Edward Zakrzewski 1994 Wife, 2 children
Phillip Austin 2000 Wife, 2 children, 2 dogs
Christian Longo 2001 Wife, 3 children
Neil Entwistle 2006 Wife, infant daughter
Neal Jacobson 2010 2010 Wife, twin sons age 7

bbm
Excellent list, Pommy! Thanks -- very thought-provoking and it really hits you when you see such a list. All those wives and children, just gone. So many broken hearts left in the wake of those ~men~.
I bolded MacDonald because his wife was pregnant. We have seen several cases here (poor SW included) where the victim/wife was pregnant -- a factor that can be deadly, as we have seen. SMH

 

[Whiteorchids]

One thing I keep coming back to is that in CW's version, he says all this started at 4.00am (and I believe he initially said 5.00am before changing it).

He was seen on camera leaving in his truck at 5.27am, and we know the three bodies were in the truck.

That's not a lot of time for all this to go down. Silently too, since the neighbors didn't hear a thing despite their close proximity. Surely there would be some screaming involved. One hour and 27 minutes to go from a "happy" family to murder and mayhem to loading three dead bodies in a truck and driving away. And then he's calm as a cucumber when speaking to police and the media. Just seems unfathomable.

It's been verified by LE that he was having at least one affair. He had a secret life under the facade of a happy family. I'm still leaning towards premeditation - as in he decided well in advance. He wanted out, and the six weeks alone confirmed it for him, he enjoyed his freedom. Society might look down on a man that just walks out on his wife and kids, but even more so when the wife is pregnant. For some reason, he decided murder (and getting away with it) was the better option. I think the kids were gone before SW got home. I think he was waiting for her. I think she was completely blindsided, and never once suspected CW was a danger to her and the kids. That's just my thoughts thus far, based on what we know now

^^^^^^^ This

 

[Herat]

Once again I was watching the interview and besides thousands of other things that stand out, yet another thing stood out to me.

The reporter asks, at about 6:09 "Did you wake up and say...." CW interrupts shaking his head yes. CW says yeah, but it was "really quick..."

Makes me wonder if anything else was "really quick"

I think he gives away so much in this interview.

I think "really quick" is him saying her death was "really quick". Maybe little to no confrontation. He just strangles her from behind in the dark in her own bed when she fell asleep.

He strikes me as a guy who doesnt like confrontation. Despite the very odd wording of emotional discussion, it's a forced, unnatural term. Doesn't want the big emotional display. Cold, and "really quick"

 

[Seattle1]

@RickshawFan said: ↑
I seem to be coming at this from a whole different direction than y'all. Maybe that's because I hopped on just today and my mind hasn't been made up about anything to do with this case. Except, I'd gladly go along with the conclusion of CW as perp.
CW is not the only one who lacks affect.
After looking at SW on the video where she describes her upcoming vacation and work trips, I am puzzled. She seems so phony, just an empty kind of person. It all seems about appearances with happy dribbles and video of your family doing mundane things. It's inviting the public in, and there's nothing there.
SW's voice is flat, there's little energy that comes from the heart, the eyes show little, there's so much blank expression. This is a kind of sales job on happiness without there being any real happy to go with it. This is not personal or intimate though it's designed to look that way.
I noticed the same empty, flat, affectless tendencies from SW in the video about the pregnancy reveal. Why is she publishing these videos except out of false intimacy? To convey intimacy? When there obviously isn't a whole lot?
And this came at a time, correct, when in her SM posts she effuses love for her husband and praises his wonderfulness?
This kind of empty posturing in images about who you are reminds me of the Hart case (one of the moms drove off a cliff in Mendocino with the whole family in the car), where everything posted on SM was rehearsed and staged. It's all about appearances. Happy family appearances. "Look at what a great family we are" appearances.
I find SW positively scary, and not just CW.
This kind of personal emptiness of CW and SW is reflected in that empty house, which looks like they never really moved in.
Who are they? For real?
Maybe this is just me, but I'm saying what I see. It jumps out at me.
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IIRC, our VI told us that this was one of her regular Saturday morning chats with her team. She wasn't attempting to sell anything here.

Yes indeed @PoppyMommy - SW identifies the video conference as it being 8AM on Saturday, and she's talking and interacting with her Team live on video.

 

[Soccermom5]

Originally, I was thinking it must be bug bites because I didn't remember seeing it in his other interviews. However, I watched the other interview again and realized I didn't notice the mark because the camera doesnt show that side of his neck, it's shot from angle and shows the other side.

Someone had suggested maybe he grabbed her neck from behind, in some sort of choke hold and SW reached up behind to try to grab him...
Her wedding ring is huge and maybe during all this the ring dug into his throat

I wonder if he buried her with her ring? Figured he would save it to sell later.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Most couples have arguments about finances. It's one of the top reasons for divorce.

Correct Divorce but murder?

 

[NCTeacher]

Ok, this may be a bit far fetched but here goes as I try and work this out in my head.
What if CW played this rouse all along with SW about him being in marital strife with her and unhappy.
CW had SW thinking he was unhappy and outwardly withdrawing and being un- affectionate to her on purpose and having an affair.
Whether he started withdrawing when she went to NC or more likely while she was in NC .
CW says at some point he wants a separation (not a divorce as CW specifically said "separation" as did SW).
What if CW knew SW would tell a friend or family about the hypothetical separation and marital woes.
CW still could have been having an affair or affairs.
But what if CW planted marital issues in SW's mind and yet he had no intention of leaving SW but rather he planned on murdering them.
CW could have planned on murdering them and disposing of them and setting the stage that SW and CW were unhappy in the marriage and that separation was imminent and she ran off with the kids.
CW would be the victim.
CW could keep his secret life secret.
CW would be free and financially unencumbered.
CW would have admitted to the co worker affair and be the reason for SW running away with the girls.
I don't know but maybe he was playing SW with this separation/affair story line for an alibi.
Not saying he was smart and it definitely would have been a bungled plan but just maybe some truth in it??
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I dunno, it seems way too elaborate for a dude who left a sheet at the disposal site...

 

[borndem]

It seems that if people were not interested ( most of my friends are not), they would not be on WS. I venture a guess that everyone on here is uber interested or we would not be reading here

Good point, human! When I mention a case, my other friends just don't seem to understand it. It's just not their thing -- which is okay, of course. There were a few women on WS who lived near me, and we had some good meals and "murder site" excursions. Birds of a feather!

 

[NCTeacher]

You are' creeped out' by every image and video of the family, and creeped out by their voices? Even the little girls? I find them adorable and love their voices.

Omg, the girls are super duper cute and sweet! I seriously want to go Chuck Norris on CW for harming those precious babies. He didn't have to do it. He could've done any number of things that would've allowed him to take a breather from parenting them without killing them.

 

[castilloisno1]

@Hazelnutty

The #Watts defense team was in the Frederick, CO house for several hours collecting their own evidence. They left with boxes and bags of evidence presumably for their case.
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Omar Villafranca on Twitter

I found this interesting. What do you think they took out of the house to build a good defense? I am just curious as I just don't know much about what they would collect. It has to be more than family photos. I came to websleuths because of LH Lucas and learned so much from the different dialogues that went on his threads. RIP to the family this weekend. I will be thinking about them.

 

[RickshawFan]

......Personally, I don’t understand living ones’ life so publicly on social media. When Facebook and then Twitter and Instagram started, my thought was “Who cares about my life and my thoughts to the degree that I need to share them with ‘friends’ or ‘followers’.” Now, of course I do realize that SM is useful for keeping in touch, promoting a business, publicizing missing people, etc. But IMO it has become a substitute for real relationships in many cases. I don’t need to see someone tell their husband they’re expecting. That’s a private moment to share between two people. But this is just JMO and I guess I share my thoughts on WS, if not other forms of SM. .....

So well put. This is exactly what I was trying to get at. I'm not sure I found the right vocabulary, but you sure capture it well!

And what I see are tropes, clichés, formulae, not individuality, or depth, or real feelings.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Agreed.

This is part of that "emptiness" theme I've talked about in a few of my posts just now. SW is not "real". And she either doesn't want to know what's real about her family or knows, but doesn't want it to be so, so she goes about life as though it isn't. She couldn't believe or admit CW was a danger, because it wasn't part of the picture she had created for herself.

Like, "Shiny Happy People" kind of vibe?

 

[NCTeacher]

I think he gives away so much in this interview.

I think "really quick" is him saying her death was "really quick". Maybe little to no confrontation. He just strangles her from behind in the dark in her own bed when she fell asleep.

He strikes me as a guy who doesnt like confrontation. Despite the very odd wording of emotional discussion, it's a forced, unnatural term. Doesn't want the big emotional display. Cold, and "really quick"

Right! Did you catch the "she barely let me" ?

 

[carynative]

Wonder if Shanann hired a Private Investigator while she was in NC?

Or, maybe her father had the money, and sensed Chris was doing his daughter wrong, so he hired the PI?

There was a major reason for her taking the girls and going back to NC for this long visit. Naturally, Shanann is not going into the actual details or reason for this long visit on her FB, but a happily married woman doesn’t leave for this time period. IMO.

Has anybody thought that perhaps CW insisted/encouraged SW to go away for 6 weeks.???
When I was living in Ontario, My narcissist emotionally abusive ex-husband presented to me as what a wonderful "opportunity" for me to go visit and stay with my family back in NC (ironically!!) he insisted for 6 weeks. I mean, I was happy to visit and glad family could get to know their little grandchildren. It didn't dawn in me it was so he could carry on a double life.
CW may have convinced SW the same way as my ex convinced me that it's an awesome idea when you live that far from your family to go stay an extended time with them.

 

[MCDRAW]

That IS color. See the green words on the screen. The reason the picture doesn't look like color is that it was taken in low light.

It does seem a little unusual but not unheard of to have a baby monitor for a four year old. I guess, with that big of a house you wouldn't always be within earshot, so I can see why they would use it. Do we know whether B and C shared a room?

I used baby monitors for my children for years. All my children have asthma. One just made a little noise right before a full blown attack.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

PommyMommy said: ↑
@Hazelnutty

The #Watts defense team was in the Frederick, CO house for several hours collecting their own evidence. They left with boxes and bags of evidence presumably for their case.
View attachment 144834
Omar Villafranca on Twitter

Something so evasive about that image. I know the defense has a job to do but it still bothers me to see them gather items up (on the direction of CW's story likely) and marching off with their bins of SW and the little girls items in them.

 

[PhoneJockey]

I'm still back on page 7 but.....am I the only one thinking Ashley Banfield basically took the entire contents of her show tonight (re: Watts case) from these WS threads?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

We know SP did finally manage to squeeze out a little tear on camera in one interview. But, I think CW was trying to make us believe she had just left with the two girls (his original plan). Then, all hell broke loose when her friend showed up and sounded the alarm before he could stage everything. JMO

This is what I think too, like 'it's not a big deal, I'm cool with it'. If he's not worried, no one else should be .
He was acting non-nonchalant but the rocking motion, hugging himself and lip smacking gave him away.

If he's found guilty for murdering his family, (I believe he will), his media interview videos will be closely studied for years to come, they might even help with other cold cases. imo.

 

[Whiteorchids]

@RickshawFan said: ↑
I seem to be coming at this from a whole different direction than y'all. Maybe that's because I hopped on just today and my mind hasn't been made up about anything to do with this case. Except, I'd gladly go along with the conclusion of CW as perp.
CW is not the only one who lacks affect.
After looking at SW on the video where she describes her upcoming vacation and work trips, I am puzzled. She seems so phony, just an empty kind of person. It all seems about appearances with happy dribbles and video of your family doing mundane things. It's inviting the public in, and there's nothing there.
SW's voice is flat, there's little energy that comes from the heart, the eyes show little, there's so much blank expression. This is a kind of sales job on happiness without there being any real happy to go with it. This is not personal or intimate though it's designed to look that way.
I noticed the same empty, flat, affectless tendencies from SW in the video about the pregnancy reveal. Why is she publishing these videos except out of false intimacy? To convey intimacy? When there obviously isn't a whole lot?
And this came at a time, correct, when in her SM posts she effuses love for her husband and praises his wonderfulness?
This kind of empty posturing in images about who you are reminds me of the Hart case (one of the moms drove off a cliff in Mendocino with the whole family in the car), where everything posted on SM was rehearsed and staged. It's all about appearances. Happy family appearances. "Look at what a great family we are" appearances.
I find SW positively scary, and not just CW.
This kind of personal emptiness of CW and SW is reflected in that empty house, which looks like they never really moved in.
Who are they? For real?
Maybe this is just me, but I'm saying what I see. It jumps out at me.
Click to expand...

Yes indeed @PoppyMommy - SW identifies the video conference as it being 8AM on Saturday, and she's talking and interacting with her Team live on video.

Great post! Your right it does remind me of the Hart family videos. That case gives me the chills like this one. I’ve never been one to air my personal life on social media and could never figure out why people find the need to do so. I wouldn’t think it would be good for your relationship, marriage etc.