CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[Waterdog]

I don't disagree on the long slow burn but I'm very torn on the premeditation. Just knowing them I can't see it. Then we all never ever would have seen this happening at all so we were tragically wrong already.

),: I don't blame you! My feelings on it being premeditated is based on what's been put on the internet by way of WS and reddit. Your POV is a much bigger view. xx

 

[PommyMommy]

Did CW explain why he left home so early on Monday?

As I understand AB said his work started at 7:30 and it might take 30 minutes for him to get to the office site, or 40 to get to the farthest well.

So he could have left between 6:30- 7:00

Why leave at 5:57?

Do his neighbors know what time he usually leaves for work? Do they have any captures of him leaving from the week before?

I don't remember him giving an explanation for the time he left. There was a neighbor who was regularly up at that time who stated she had never seen him up or leave (will have to find the article) that early before.

As I understand it, AB speculated that he started work at 7:30. I may be wrong, but I don't think she knows any more about that than we do. I also don't think it is known where he reported to work that morning (office site or a well).

ETA: Around 5:30 a.m. Monday: Chris Watts leaves the family home. He told authorities he went to work at a job site near Hudson, Colo. Their next-door neighbor, BM, was leaving for the gym at 5:15, which she does at that time every weekday, and she noticed Watts’ pickup truck was idling in his driveway, she told the Longmont Times-Call. She said she hadn’t before seen him leaving home that early.
Chris Watts' slain family: Wife suspected infidelity

 

[molly1255]

Quite a few people, insinuating somehow her MLM company shares fault and that something in his "patch" made him snap. :/

Isalybra,

I agree that this was discussed by a few, but my understanding is that it is not allowed going forward. For what it's worth, I don't think the patch or any other products, medications, etc. had a thing to do with any of this.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

 

[Waterdog]

Agree. Terribly planned (if planned). I wonder if he knew about his neighbor’s camera pointed at his garage. My guess is no.

Terribly planned by someone who probably always got by on his lies.

 

[isalybra]

@isalybra - In one of your early posts last week, you wrote "I do feel that for some reason he snapped."
Do you have current thoughts as to 'why' CW snapped?

I sort of just touched on that but to try and be more clear on my thoughts, I by no means can answer factually. When I firstet them they came off as the center of eachothers world. I think that as Shanann got more and more successful she had become somewhat more distant. Not because she didn't love him just as much but because she knew how to make it to the top and she was doing an incredible job building her team and business. She wanted everything for those girls and even Chris but she knew to do it she had to be all in. I think that Chris not only couldn't handle the constant pressure and I don't think he could handle not being her only focus. I'd assume as she got more and more invested in growing, he got more and more resentful and internalized it. At the same time she was pushing him to be healthy and exceed as well so he probably starting liking the attention he got as well and it spiraled.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Welcome @Kim bird . Hang in there. It gets easier to figure it all out as you go.

 

[isalybra]

),: I don't blame you! My feelings on it being premeditated is based on what's been put on the internet by way of WS and reddit. Your POV is a much bigger view. xx

I haven't even looked at Reddit.

 

[margarita25]

I wonder why he didn’t kill the dog, too.

Speaking of dogs, after watching SW’s FB videos, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man as obedient as CW was. An obedient dog . . . who turned on his owners.

His poor doggie lost his whole family too. . I hope he is receiving lots of love and doggie treats.

 

[Waterdog]

I haven't even looked at Reddit.

There's not too much going on there. Certainly not 16 threads. FWIW, I prefer here. We really like to flesh it out over here.

 

[borndem]

You can tell how much Shan’ann loved her two little girls. There is no way she would have harmed them and I hope the jury sees the truth of who did. I don’t think I will be able to watch this trial and see Shan’ann’s memory desecrated by Monster and his defence team.

Seems to me, for CW to desecrate and say negative things about SW, he would have to say them on the witness stand. Or maybe they could find another witness to make her look bad -- to that I say, "Good luck."

All the defense can do is to paint that picture in either opening or closing statements, and those statements are not evidence, meaning the jury not cannot regard them in determining a verdict.
It would be tricky, IMO.

 

[Waterdog]

His poor doggie lost his whole family too. . I hope he is receiving lots of love and doggie treats.

As if 1 big and 2 little caskets weren't enough. D,: Poor baby!!!

 

[margarita25]

Quite a few people, insinuating somehow her MLM company shares fault and that something in his "patch" made him snap. :/

Dear isalybra,

I know I don’t know you, but I hope you are holding up as best as can be possible. I’ve lost many good friends in my life to cancer, etc and it is never easy. I can’t even imagine losing a friend like this, and her children, so horribly and violently.

Thank you again for being here as a VI. I’m not sure if you’ve seen any of my posts, but I am local. Shanann seems like an amazing woman, positive, responsible, a great mother, wanting to help people...There are no words to express how awful the murders of her and her children are.

 

[MerryB]

First time I have posted here...I agree, he placed them in hopes to never be found. I hold the belief that he planned to go back and place SW more securely. I also lean towards the girls being killed first but I could be wrong.

I am so very saddened by this case. I keep goggling news articles in hopes to understand what happened that night/early morning. I don't believe for a second that she killed the girls but unfortunately his claim can cause reasonable doubt. CW is a coward and a deceitful and arrogant narcissist, imo. I do believe these cowardly acts were premeditated despite what appears as poor planning. So very tragic and senseless. Edit: spelling and grammar

Welcome @lisan3902
I agree that this case is one that a lot of us feel we need to try to make sense of, because it is so senseless. We look forward to you joining the conversation.

 

[katydid23]

never mind...

 

[isalybra]

I think it is because many of us 'old folks' remember the various popular diet pills that would pop up every decade or so. Each time, they were essentially some form of speed/meth. Various derivatives, camoflauged with new names, new cover ingredients.

But in the end, they'd be outlawed because of the meth-like side effects.

I AM NOT SAYING THE PATCHES ARE LIKE THIS. Just saying that we have seen this type of thing play out many times, where eventually we find it is the same chemical derivative, in each new magic energy/diet supplement.

Add to that, cases like that of Capt. Robert MacDonald, who killed his wife and 2 baby girls, and blamed it on a band of hippies who broke into his home. It turns out, Capt. MacDonald had not slept for 2 days, and was kept awake by taking diet pills, while he worked in the emergency room as a doctor:


"Equally, why would a man who had never previously shown aggressive tendencies, known as a loving husband and father, without warning slaughter his own family? The prosecution was never able to construct a convincing motive. Nor was McGinniss. Instead he assembled a large array of character assessments and examples of minor indiscretions to create a portrait of a seemingly normal man who, underneath a carefully composed exterior, was a raging psychopath.

McGinniss discovered that MacDonald had been taking an amphetamine diet pill called Eskatrol and surmised that the drug, and a punishing work schedule, triggered his latent psychopathy. Morris is scathing of McGinniss's account of that February night."

The Fort Bragg murders: is Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

Well that is why I posted the ingredients to all of it. To educate for the people that were guessing ingredients caused it.

 

[gitana1]

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[MerryB]

It's a good shot, but also implies SW is at fault in some way. In a " there are no bad dogs only bad owners" way.

Absolutely do not think any of this was SW’s fault. However, I think the dynamic between the two of them is important to motive. I think anger & resentment built up in CW. I think it is evident from his interviews that he felt victorious as if he’d “finally bit back.”

 

[Waterdog]

I think it is because many of us 'old folks' remember the various popular diet pills that would pop up every decade or so. Each time, they were essentially some form of speed/meth. Various derivatives, camoflauged with new names, new cover ingredients.

But in the end, they'd be outlawed because of the meth-like side effects.

I AM NOT SAYING THE PATCHES ARE LIKE THIS. Just saying that we have seen this type of thing play out many times, where eventually we find it is the same chemical derivative, in each new magic energy/diet supplement.

Add to that, cases like that of Capt. Robert MacDonald, who killed his wife and 2 baby girls, and blamed it on a band of hippies who broke into his home. It turns out, Capt. MacDonald had not slept for 2 days, and was kept awake by taking diet pills, while he worked in the emergency room as a doctor:


"Equally, why would a man who had never previously shown aggressive tendencies, known as a loving husband and father, without warning slaughter his own family? The prosecution was never able to construct a convincing motive. Nor was McGinniss. Instead he assembled a large array of character assessments and examples of minor indiscretions to create a portrait of a seemingly normal man who, underneath a carefully composed exterior, was a raging psychopath.

McGinniss discovered that MacDonald had been taking an amphetamine diet pill called Eskatrol and surmised that the drug, and a punishing work schedule, triggered his latent psychopathy. Morris is scathing of McGinniss's account of that February night."

The Fort Bragg murders: is Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

Ahh yes! The old school diet pills were something else!

I'm not certain what's in Thrive. Probably lots of caffeine. But it would take withdrawal of caffeine and whatever else else to create that RAWWRR response, right? (That's how I respond! When I go off caffeine I tell people to stay away from me for a few days, but that's just crankiness.) Hypothetically, wouldn't he present with personality changes prior to to the murders if they are what caused him to eventually snap? He was on it for 2 years. One, he would have acclimated to them, wouldn't he have?

 

[mtnlites]

@Bill Carson i went through verification for being an EMT and it’s a really easy process. Just a photo of id and license number. Send it to @Tricia i find you extremely helpful and having you verified would help those who don’t know you are an attorney, see that you know what you are talking about also! I hunt for your posts now because you are a wealth of knowledge! Your analogies are extremely helpful for me as I know very little about trial law!

Thank you. The whole reason

@Bill Carson i went through verification for being an EMT and it’s a really easy process. Just a photo of id and license number. Send it to @Tricia i find you extremely helpful and having you verified would help those who don’t know you are an attorney, see that you know what you are talking about also! I hunt for your posts now because you are a wealth of knowledge! Your analogies are extremely helpful for me as I know very little about trial law!

Thank you. The whole reason I never went thtough was because verification required a phone conversation at the time and I never speak on the phone-I hate it so much that I haven't even had one for years. If that has changed, though, then I will do it.

 

[margarita25]

Notice the change in appearance and speech in Chris Watts,from this video and the subject of his presentation.Yikes This was back in 2012.

What has always struck me as odd, for lack of a better term, is his calm voice. Is it just me, or is his voice somewhat laidback and non aggressive sounding, I mean the frequency and inflections he uses?

I’m going to admit I haven’t been able to watch the “relationship video” above because every time I start watching it I get angry and sickened. So my above thoughts on his voice are based on the interviews on his front porch and the very beginning of the above video.