Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[NuttMegg]

I was raised in a religion which doesn't believe in cremation. So, to members of that faith, burning your loved one can be viewed as sinful and offensive and incredibly distasteful.

His dumping them in the oil vats does not automatically equal his guilt of murdering all of them, nor does it make him automatically never having been a loving father. I get that it's hideous and distasteful, however, it really isn't an unarguable "be all end all" fact in proving he's the killer of all of them.

It could have been symbolic burial in a place where he knew where they'd be, they'd be "protected" from elements and animals. If he was so worried about animals giving away the location, perhaps he wouldn't have left Shannan in a shallow grave. I don't know, but I don't claim to know exactly what that means. Only Chris Watts knows exactly what he was thinking when he disposed of his children in that manner and location.

It was private property, and he essentially robbed another entity of that private property by tainting/wrecking it.

 

[Trinket78]

This is a good question for @Trinket78
Trinket, in your opinion, was CW abused by SW? If so, how? Thank you.

He was verbally abused from the beginning. I remember meeting them and she told anyone who would listen she couldn’t believe she went on a date with him because of the way he was dressed. He looked like a “skater boy”... she almost didn’t continue the date because of that. All this was said in front of him. He had new clothes shortly after.

 

[ZsaZsa]

opinion

I haven't seen that leap made here. Clue me in....got a post number I can check out? tia

Well there is the huge leap made from normal childhood ailments such as frequent respiratory and ear infections and more serious conditions such as Asthma, allergies, all of which are easily documented by clinical exam or testing such as Lab work and lung capacity testing, or skin testing, to wondering if they could have Munchausen by proxy. Just another example of blaming the victim for her own fate IMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

Except that there's no casino in Grand Lake.

IIRC it was a Drumstick ice cream cone that Bella was allowed to eat around CeCe at MeMe’s house.
SW posted about it on SM & was livid. There is a picture she took of CeCe in her car seat looking out the window at PaPa as she was about to drive away after the incident.
My question is: CeCe was allergic to tree nuts according to SW. Peanuts are legumes. So what was the anger about?

@MassGuy This is what I meant by sifting ( b.i.bs ^ ) , in my earlier post.

(PS I know your weren't refffing me specifically so no probs but as you said "they" and I'd mentioned the kids illnesses it was ok for me to reply .)

 

[Trinket78]

Indeed. You are absolutely correct and thank you! I apologize!!! Was just trying to say that he did already admit to killing one kid, essentially.

( sorry @trinket78 )

Thank you.

 

[Natusry]

@Trinket78 You said when you initially heard they were missing you thought what did she do to them? And, also went on to say you thought she would have left as a punishment of sorts to C.W. Do you think her long trip to NC was some sort of punishment/separation from marital stress or totally unrelated?

 

[flourish]

I can see where folks are coming from in analyzing the behavior and interactions of SW and CW. Of course, nothing in any of these videos makes the answer murder. But he does seem like the quiet guy that just took whatever she threw at him. It does come off to me like she ruled that roost and whatever she wanted she got and he maybe didn't have much of a say. But he was a grown man and people will only do to you what you let them. He could've said something to SW and maybe he did. We can only speculate. He was the one that was stepping out on SW (while she was pregnant I might add) and he was the one that lied over and over and he was the one that admittedly murdered his wife knowing it would also kill the child growing inside her and he's the one LE is charging with ALL of the murders. Soooo, I don't really know where I was going with this. Rambling.

ALWAYS MOO

How do we KNOW he was the only one having an affair? I'm not saying she did, but we don't KNOW that.

 

[MerryB]

I have thought that for many years.

Wow. You suspected SW lied about or exggagerated the children's health issues?
What about her own?
Thank you @Trinket78

 

[Trinket78]

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YES

 

[MsBetsy]

Having watched a few of her videos I've noticed when the girls are upset in the background she seems to not react very much or if at all. Don't get me wrong we can all tune out every now and again to kids whining, dogs barking etc. but it happened quite frequently. I was just wondering if you would feel that was a cause for concern or not? If you don't mind me asking that is.

Im just catching up and have only seen the two I mentioned, plus the one of her alone. I will search for them. I did find it interesting that she said she was the dominant one in the relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if she were controlling and had a hard time when things went other ways than she had planned. I'm also wondering if the husband had feelings of inadequacy, or was insecure and this was reinforced by her treatment of him. Not that this is in any way an excuse for his actions. If he was really having an affair, this would be a good explanation. Maybe he had had enough. Maybe he "snapped" at some point and killed all three. Or maybe she killed the children. It's so hard to say at this point. But what you mentioned at the beginning of your post is interesting. In the ones I saw, she does seem to not even be aware of her child's feelings. In the Christmas video she says they are grouchy, after they obviously are scared and most likely confused, not to mention getting a water bottle for one of her gifts. She doesn't acknowledge that they have a very good reason to be upset, after a scary looking Santa comes to the door and all the while they have no choice other than to sit on his lap and be filmed the whole time. It seems to me she is discounting their feelings, but she doesn't realize what she is doing.

 

[margarita25]

He was verbally abused from the beginning. I remember meeting them and she told anyone who would listen she couldn’t believe she went on a date with him because of the way he was dressed. He looked like a “skater boy”... she almost didn’t continue the date because of that. All this was said in front of him. He had new clothes shortly after.

Is this a taste of what the trial is going to be like, if there is one? How poor CW was (verbally) abused by Shanann?

I’m going to politely excuse myself because I see this conversation going downhill with me and I do want others to be able to communicate with you without my derailment here and a trip to band camp. I do appreciate you taking the time to join us and state your opinions. I’m going to do more than just scroll and roll. I’m going to scroll and roll OUT because I can not stand to listen to this. Respectfully, peace out.

PS: CW IS NOT THE VICTIM HERE.

Everything is jmo.

 

[kkdj]

Yes when I first heard of them
Missing that was my thought. I thought she took the kids to punish him. That was my thought. I could write a book about the second question.

That makes me think she played games and was controlling and manipulative historically. Is this correct in your opinion?

 

[cottonweaver]

To follow up on my earlier post about perspective - things we know about SW and the girls;

SW was a fighter. She fought to have a family risking her health and maybe her life to have children. Think about that; she took risks to have children!

SW fought to be healthy and strong. She did not let her health problems impede her.

SW fought to be successful with a business and not only that, she endeared herself to the people she did business with.

There is no evidence that SW ever cheated.
(by his own admissions, CW is a cheater)

There is no evidence that she ever lied (big lies, not white lies).
(by his own admissions, CW is a liar)

SW, until proven otherwise with evidence, is a victim. (by his own admissions, CW is a killer)

CiCi and Bella are innocents, undeserving of all that's happened.

I don't have an issue with most of that but just on BIB I thought it was fine for lupus sufferers to have kids. They just ensure that they are screened or non active during conception to avoid the complications.

 

[Trinket78]

Wow. You suspected SW lied about or exggagerated the children's health issues?
What about her own?
Thank you @Trinket78

I have also wonder about that.

 

[Tranquileyes]

I wonder if, when Shan'nan found out about the night out, and the babysitter that contributed to (IMO) the fight when she got home. SW's trip was how many nights? 3? And he couldn't stay with the kids that many nights without going out on the town? Or was it 2?

I was thinking that as well. Ok.. If she already knew about the separation, perhaps she was angered by him getting a babysitter for Sat night. Where did this info come from? I haven't seen it in articles I have read. Would she not have known he did that before coming home? Maybe he told her he had just committed more cheating.. And that set her off. If there was in fact.. Any "setting off"

 

[NuttMegg]

Hot date with AP? Could SW have tried to get in touch with him and he didn’t respond? Highly likely. That would piss her off.

So they've been on vacation for 6 weeks, he spent one week of that with them, then when they get home, he's in charge of them for 2-3 nights (How many?) and he leaves them with a babysitter? I wonder what hours the babysitter was there that night.

 

[NuttMegg]

I was thinking that as well. Ok.. If she already knew about the separation, perhaps she was angered by him getting a babysitter for Sat night. Where did this info come from? I haven't seen it in articles I have read. Would she not have known he did that before coming home? Maybe he told her he had just committed more cheating.. And that set her off. If there was in fact.. Any "setting off"

When did she leave? On Friday?

 

[Thepoet]

He was verbally abused from the beginning. I remember meeting them and she told anyone who would listen she couldn’t believe she went on a date with him because of the way he was dressed. He looked like a “skater boy”... she almost didn’t continue the date because of that. All this was said in front of him. He had new clothes shortly after.

First impressions? We all have them. I could tell you a dozen stories like that, some even involved things said to me or about me. Clothes. Income. Too tall. Some with animus. Some with humor. None led to violence.

 

[Ronso]

Is this a taste of what the trial is going to be like, if there is one? How poor CW was verbally abused by Shanann?

I’m going to politely excuse myself because I see this conversation going downhill with me. I do appreciate you taking the time to join us and state your opinions. I’m going to do more than just scroll and roll. I’m going to scroll and roll OUT because I can not stand to listen to this. Respectfully, peace out.

CW is NOT A VICTIM HERE.

No, it won't be a taste of the trial because I'm pretty sure it would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I do find it interesting though, that SW has way more supporters on her side, and we get ONE supporter of CW and everyone seems to start throwing SW under the bus.

Going back to lurking....

 

[MerryB]

BBM.

I'm not so sure. Think about if the roles were reversed. Would a woman who was being criticized or poked fun of all the time by a man be assumed that if she didn't like it she would merely get it to stop? That she was only having it done b/c she was allowing it? I think there can be a lot of psychological stuff going on with people and I think most women are given the benefit of the doubt if they are the target- that they can feel trapped in those situations and don't know how to get out. Anyway, just another way to look at it...

Agree!