Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[Kensie]

Signing off folks. Off to watch Monday Night football and recover from my boyfriend, Tom Brady and the Patriots losing last night to the cutie Matthew Stafford.

RIP Shanann, Bella, Celeste and Niko (Nico).

I bet CW has basically wasted away to nothing. I would not be able to eat any food knowing that my future is prison forever.

 

[gitana1]

This makes sense. VI said she had access to all of his accounts FWIW

Could you link that?

 

[Allabouttrial]

We have a very likely one here, in strangulation. The autopsy will give us COD.

I'm sure it will, but until that time I can't base my verdict on circumstantial evidence alone. I need more information, which in time will no doubt be forthcoming. MOO

 

[The Saint]

Could you link that?

I think Trinket78 said it or maybe Colorado303.

 

[Doghairrules]

I've worried he neglected to give asthma or other meds to the kids while he had them by himself and something happened.

sadly, that would actually probably have been better for them than being aware their father was strangling them.

 

[Marli61]

The terrain looks pretty flat in their area.

It is. He would have had to travel at least an hour west or an hour or more north to reach any mountains.

 

[borndem]

CW was born May 16, 1985, so he's 33 years old. We know ,some, about the time he and SW have been together. What about the other 27 years? He was born in Oklahoma, lived in North Carolina, and, I believe, got a chemical engineering degree from the University of Miami. That's four years in Florida. What else do we know? He wanted to be a NASCAR mechanic? I'm looking, but there doesn't seem to be much there.

Best I can determine, from information from Univ. of Miami, the university does not offer a Chem.E. degree.
Here is the list I found:

College of Engineering

• Aerospace Engineering
• Architectural Engineering
• Biomedical Engineering
  • Biomaterials and Tissue
  • Electrical
  • Mechanical
  • Pre-Medical
• Civil Engineering
• Computer Engineering
  • Software Engineering
• Electrical Engineering
  • Audio Engineering
• Engineering Science
• Environmental Engineering
• Industrial Engineering
• Mechanical Engineering

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Majors

 

[esayer]

No worries, I’ll go look. Which VI was it?

The one that is a flower and not Colorado I believe. I cant remember the name right now got it mixed up with Tippy at first!

 

[JudgeJudi]

I think there is a hint of truth in a lot of what he said in the porch interview.

When he says "it's like walking into a ghost town" - it was because they were all dead.

When he's talking about whether or not his family is safe he says "but if they’re not, this has got to stop, someone has got to come forward.” I think he's talking to himself here. In other words he knows they're not safe and this charade needs to stop, I need to tell what I know. IMO

But he didn't tell what he knew. He told LE that SW strangled the babies and he knows that's not the truth.

 

[The Saint]

I'm sure that it's possible to retrieve CW's SM accounts by using Google cache or Wayback Time Machine. I don't remeber anything really compelling except for his
having posted a news link to the SEATAC rogue pilot, Rich, who stole the plane and crashed. But I posted links and watched it in real time on Twitter and so did
others here.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

At this point, nobody can say without a doubt that CW is a family annihilator. He might be however we don't know this as fact. This is a 'hasty generalization' logical fallacy. To avoid hasty generalizations, it's better to add a qualifier such as 'maybe' or 'sometimes'.

IMO

I agree totally . Imo I am not a psychological profiler . I have read material on professional case studies of them but being on web sleuth does not make me one to claim I can profile someone personally . I am anxious to hear more physical evidence and testimony . I believe circumstantial evidence would not sway me personally to vote guilty . Nor would comparisons to other criminals. I myself want to understand the whole picture first. We all are different I suppose. I admire the opinions of all the attorneys on here because I imagine they all have witnessed horrible things as criminal lawyers and dealt with criminal profilers for years unlike me. I just look at things as a juror would not as a professional in the criminal system . Hopefully they can gain juror insight from me as much as I do criminal insight from them

I’m just speaking as a juror perspective <modsnip>, not trying to ruffle your feathers . I am saying personally I like motive. I like physical evidence and we don’t know that yet . Human emotion reaction is a tricky thing . It would not be a guilty vote for me thus far based upon him lying and probability of guilt . It would Be a guilty vote for you so I’m not here to change your opinion nor anyone’s I’m here to learn from others insight to answer the things that don’t make sense to me

Circumstantial evidence is just as strong if not stronger than direct evidence in many cases. I believe it was referred to up thread about a case that had no direct evidence at all. Also, motive is not required for Guilt in the court of law.

Perhaps if jury instructions were put forth, it would be an educational experience for some. Jurors should follow those instructions no matter what their personal beliefs are.

Moo

 

[gitana1]

Ok thanks ! I guess the moniter so far as evidence wouldn’t make me vote guilty or the interview . I need direct evidence so thank you for that link so i don’t misspeak

Then you would be either not chosen, if you were honest about your inability to follow the law and the jury instructions, or kicked off the jury if you eventually admitted such an inability.

Because the law states that neither form of evidence is inherently more reliable than the other:

"A fact may be proven by either direct or circumstantial evidence. Under the law, both are acceptable ways to prove something. Neither is necessarily more reliable than the other."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...Instructions/2017/COLJI-Crim 2017 - Final.pdf

Essentially what you're saying is you could not convict someone without a video of the murder or an eye witness. Because that's pretty much it for direct evidence.

EVERYTHING else is circumstantial - DNA, fingerprints, etc.

Jurors who are unwilling to follow the law I think are responsible for some very terrible outcomes in various cases, in this country.

 

[gitana1]

I think Trinket78 said it or maybe Colorado303.

Well we need to back up stated fact with links. Even if it is just a link to a post!

 

[esayer]

I think Trinket78 said it or maybe Colorado303.

Trinket! That's it knew it started with a T.

 

[esayer]

Well we need to back up stated fact with links. Even if it is just a link to a post!

I have no idea how to search for it.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Signing off folks. Off to watch Monday Night football and recover from my boyfriend, Tom Brady and the Patriots losing last night to the cutie Matthew Stafford.

RIP Shanann, Bella, Celeste and Niko (Nico).

I bet CW has basically wasted away to nothing. I would not be able to eat any food knowing that my future is prison forever.

Alas, yet the Thayers said he ate just fine when the family was only "missing." Good night!

 

[borndem]

Welcome to Websleuths, Clement86!!​

 

[AbbyG]

You are not alone...
I miss the Florida sunshine laws, where you access all manner of docs every week.
It didn't hurt Casey Anthony, they still found 12 jurors from under a rock that had never read any of those docs.

Or maybe it did hurt the CA case -- to find those jurors they had to go to a certain type of person in a more limited pool ("under a rock," as you put it); would a more savvy type have been more likely to convict?
Regarding the Facebook deletion - wasn't it only a "verified insider" asserting that CW deleted his account because he had repeatedly asked for a separation? This kind of thing stated as fact was what caused me to need to take a break from the speculation that was heading toward victim bashing, and I think one of the VI had too much of an agenda to "defend" CW at the expense of his victim, IMO. I think deleting his account a week prior would have more to do with not wanting certain people to see his life -- his wife, his kids. all JMO, MOO ! I know this post may not be okay, seems we are not allowed to question VI's POV at all, so I will go away again and just lurk!

 

[Allabouttrial]

Circumstantial evidence is just as strong if not stronger than direct evidence in many cases. I believe it was referred to up thread about a case that had no direct evidence at all. Also, motive is not required for Guilt in the court of law.

Perhaps if jury instructions were put forth, it would be an educational experience for some. Jurors should follow those instructions no matter what their personal beliefs are.

Moo

If I may speak for Shekkie, I don't believe he/she is saying that circumstantial evidence isn't enough. Just that in the case of a juror, they will have a lot more evidence at their disposal in determining a verdict, than we have right now.

 

[MsBetsy]

People get provoked all of the time. Someone puts leaves on their lawn. Someone is not driving fast enough. Someone disses your sport’s team. On and on about people being provoked, You never know what will get someone all riled up.

True, but most people don't end up murdering them for it. I don't think anything like that would have provoked him to kill, this doesn't seem like a sudden act of rage to me. He may want people to think he " snapped", but for me there are indications that he wanted to end the lives of his family.