Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #32

[rainynights]

But the flight delay was only a few hours... still leaves him at least 3 hours from when she got home until he left for work.
I don't see him killing her just after getting home and just sitting around 'thinking' for 3 hours.

Doesn't seem smart at all to plan your murders around the airlines. If I've learned anything in life, it's that things happen with scheduled flights. Mechanical issues, weather, cancellations, etc.

You bring up a good point. It's interesting to entertain ideas around what his plan would have been had she arrived on time. There could be many variations of that, and right now I'm thinking had she arrived home on time, he might have planned to ditch the car, jog home, and get rid of everything. Going from 6 to 3 hours would be a pretty big difference considering a scenario like that, IMO.

JMO.

 

[dgfred]

That’s actually a very good point. If this was completely premeditated, she’s dead minutes after walking in that door.

Factoring in cleanup and preparing the bodies for transportation, he’d still have time left over. He most likely wouldn’t be “sitting around thinking” for an extended period of time.

This isn’t enough to pull me off the fence, but it does “move the needle” slightly.

That is why I thought the 'choking' girlfriend fantasy rumor was very interesting too.

Maybe he put the move on her, she not having it (for many reasons we see now), he flies into a rage.

Doesn't want the girls growing up with a dead mother and a dad in jail that killed her. Does the unthinkable.

Makes up pitiful story.

 

[kebdal23]

It is shown in this video:
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=307427589810434

That video is chilling to the bone. As for the newest article from People, of course he thinks everyone is going to see him in a whole new light after they hear "his" side of the story. Of course. I know that he has not been diagnosed as a narcissist and that many people on here do not believe him to be one, but this is sounding all too familiar to me [having personally known two]. All MOO.

 

[rainynights]

That is why I thought the 'choking' girlfriend fantasy rumor was very interesting too.

Maybe he put the move on her, she not having it (for many reasons we see now), he flies into a rage.

Doesn't want the girls growing up with a dead mother and a dad in jail that killed her. Does the unthinkable.

Makes up pitiful story.

Right, as an attempt to preserve that image in his own mind of being a good dad. Pure selfishness.

What other people thought of him apparently seemed to be of a higher priority than the lives of his wife and girls. Sadly, I don’t believe they ever could have showered him with enough love to make him feel otherwise. He had his priorities in mind, and had no problem acting out on those priorities when he put his wife and unborn son in that shallow grave and dumped his girls in those oil tanks. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

That is why I thought the 'choking' girlfriend fantasy rumor was very interesting too.

Maybe he put the move on her, she not having it (for many reasons we see now), he flies into a rage.

Doesn't want the girls growing up with a dead mother and a dad in jail that killed her. Does the unthinkable.

Makes up pitiful story.

I don’t think this came as the result of a sexual encounter gone awry.

She may not have been into that sort of thing, and perhaps that’s why he strayed from his marriage.

She was likely exhausted, and she was of course pregnant, so I think that any activity like that is unlikely.

 

[Kensie]

I think CW is a narcissist. It will take an earth shattering event for me not to believe he murdered the babies, his wife and unborn child.
I have been wrong before and may be wrong now.
He did murder the babies - until proven wrong.

 

[dgfred]

I don’t think this came as the result of a sexual encounter gone awry.

She may not have been into that sort of thing, and perhaps that’s why he strayed from his marriage.

She was likely exhausted, and she was of course pregnant, so I think that any activity like that is unlikely.

Sure, a 'normal' person would think so.

A left alone, abnormal, needy, angry and so on kind of guy might not. Wants what he wants.

I could see it. Not that she would have wanted any part of it.

 

[MassGuy]

I just read this article and found it interesting. I hope it’s considered MSM.

Succinct description of why so many of us feel the way we do about the crime.

The #1 Clue That Proves Premeditation?

This is from “that hack” who wrote the book. I don’t think he proves the case for premeditation, but he does make some decent points.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Chris Watts Is Mad About How Media Portrays Him, Says Source: 'He Feels Like No One Understands Him'

Wasn’t sure if posted yet. What does he think people would think by putting his kids in oil tanks??

Well. Waving from Australia! This is most definitely international news.

 

[Kensie]

Good article Kiwi - thanks

 

[rainynights]

Chris Watts Is Mad About How Media Portrays Him, Says Source: 'He Feels Like No One Understands Him'

Wasn’t sure if posted yet. What does he think people would think by putting his kids in oil tanks??

Exactly! From the article that you linked above:

Watts has said he feels the public doesn’t know the full story, the source says. “He feels like no one understands him, and nobody knows what happened,” says the source. “He thinks if they did understand, they’d realize that he’s not the monster everyone says he is.”

What did he expect? The public were going by what he told everyone had happened, in those three interviews. His story turned out to be a lie. I understand he doesn't want people to think of him as a monster, but I find it hard to believe that he didn't feel like a monster at any point when he did what he did.

I dug a hole in my back yard once at night in the pouring rain to plant a tree (don't ask, completely good intentions I promise), and even then I couldn't help but feel like a serial killer (LOL!). There's just something criminal-feeling about holding a shovel and digging a hole in the middle of the night in pouring rain, even if it's for a completely innocent act of planting a tree.

I can't even imagine CW not feeling like a monster when he buried SW and their unborn son in a secret grave and dumped his girls in oil tanks like trash.

ETA: JMO

 

[Tigerlily75]

This supports the theory it was not premeditated IMO.

It’s often said these people really don’t have much of a plan, beyond the immediate gratification of ridding themselves of their family.

Christian Longo, who gave the eerily similar story that he killed his wife because he caught her strangling their children, now freely admits to the murders. He had no plan beyond a few days.

He fled to Mexico and lived it up in a resort until he was captured.

We really have no idea what CW would have done if it wasn’t for NUA, so we have no insight into his “plan” if there was one.

 

[dgfred]

Haha rainy... my says she will dump my ashes in the litter boxes when I go. She doesn't say how I will get to be ashes tho.

 

[Kensie]

Maybe why CW was murdering everyone and dumping everyone, he was on an adrenaline high and was not able to think. Trying to get things done in the short amount of time that he had and concentrating on the tasks at hand. Beyond comprehension.

 

[nwmouse]

It is shown in this video:
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=307427589810434

I just re-watched this clip from AB, thanks for posting. Shows so many holes in CW's pathetic attempt at a cover-up story.

 

[WildWest]

I noticed their zip code is the same as Erie. Erie is both Boulder County and Weld County, as is Longmont. The racetrack used to be Erie but the last time I was out there I noticed it’s now Dacono although it hasn’t moved. Dacono has been there a while. Frederick and Firestone are relatively new.

Yes, growing like crazy and the boundries are changing, but they have all been there for like a hundred years. Agricultural/cattle towns back in the day to be lucky if they have a post office. I was trying to help the other posters understand what it's like, vs the pictures desolate private ranch the oil site in on out east.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

What did he expect? The public were going by what he told everyone had happened, in those three interviews. His story turned out to be a lie. I understand he doesn't want people to think of him as a monster, but I find it hard to believe that he didn't feel like a monster at any point when he did what he did.

If I was in his position and I would at least regret what I did to my family just a little bit... I think I would consider myself as a "monster" and I would want myself to get punished for what I did. Sounds maybe strange but this could be a way to deal with your guilty conscience. What I learn from his statements is that (at least at the moment) that he has none. It's all about him not about the lifes he destroyed. So his reputation still seems very important to him as if he had no other sorrows to deal with... sounds really narcissistic (although I'm not a friend of all this suddenly appeared online diagnoses). Anyway his "new story" would be interesting to hear but I think he would have a hard time anyone to convince to believe him!

 

[nwmouse]

It’s often said these people really don’t have much of a plan, beyond the immediate gratification of ridding themselves of their family.

Christian Longo, who gave the eerily similar story that he killed his wife because he caught her strangling their children, now freely admits to the murders. He had no plan beyond a few days.

He fled to Mexico and lived it up in a resort until he was captured.

We really have no idea what CW would have done if it wasn’t for NUA, so we have no insight into his “plan” if there was one.

Yes, it does seem to point to the killer's desire for immediate gratification. IMHO, contemplating the gratification he assumed he'd feel when he was "free" of his family was a big enough dopamine rush and worth the risk to compel him to turn his plan into reality. The idea of sewing his wild oats no matter the consequences. In the beginning of this horror I thought it was a spontaneous crime of a hen-pecked husband, i.e. a crime of passion. Now I think he fantasized and thought of the freedom scenario until it overtook his rational thinking. The interviews are so indicative that this was premeditated. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

This supports the theory it was not premeditated IMO.

Although I think some of the things that support premeditation outweigh the garage door data factor. As someone said, he may not have even opened the door until he loaded up the bodies. Also he may not have even thought of it. He's not the brightest bulb, from what we have learned. Jmo

 

[Tigerlily75]

Yes, it does seem to point to the killer's desire for immediate gratification. IMHO, contemplating the gratification he assumed he'd feel when he was "free" of his family was a big enough dopamine rush and worth the risk to compel him to turn his plan into reality. The idea of sewing his wild oats no matter the consequences. In the beginning of this horror I thought it was a spontaneous crime, i.e. a crime of passion. Now I think he fantasized and thought of the freedom scenario until it overtook his rational thinking. The interviews are so indicative that this was premeditated. MOO

I think he may have fantasized about it too, I think his five weeks of freedom combined with the affair is significant to this case. He didn’t want his family anymore.