Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

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What proof does anyone have that SW murdered her children? I would like to see that proof.

Well, yes, we have a witness statement from a known liar and killer. What more do you need?

That is my issue, we have no evidence regarding SW killing her children. Only a statement of fact. Which is meaningless.

But I compare this case to CA, which seemed slam dunk to me. I guess you never know what a jury will decide.
 
Exactly. So my answer would be no, his actions afterwards are definitely not those of an innocent man.
However, those actions are not proof that he murdered his daughters.
He has confessed to killing his pregnant wife. His actions afterwards definitely show an attempt to cover his crime IMO.
And to killing his little unborn son by cruelly cutting off the very oxygen he needed to live. (because he was so angry that she was killing his other kids, he killed the most defenseless one in retaliation) In many weeks on this site I have not seen one concrete thing held against SW that would indicate she harmed her children. We've seen innuedos on possible child abuse because of water slide fun, "possible" psychological problems, "character" problems, she's bossy, he does all the housework, on an on without one single concrete example of Shan'nan doing anything but be a Mom who loved her kids and worked harder than most of us do even with grown children. We've even been asked for proof that she did NOT see a therapist or receive mental health care. That is apt representation of the caliber of attack on her character...prove a negative.
 
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Obviously we don’t have that at this point in time. Hopefully as more information comes out, it will give us a clearer picture of what exactly happened that tragic morning.
May I ask you, if forensic evidence did (hypothetically) come out supporting CW’s version, would you believe it?
Of course I would believe it, but that seem unlikely to me seeing he took such extreme steps to destroy any evidence.
Based on what we know now, where is the evidence that SW killed the girls?
The word of a liar seems all there is.
 
@Tippy Lynn, I personally can't explain his behavior in any other way. However, as I have said, this is why this country gives everyone a fair trial, with a public defender. To prove his guilt or innocence.

However, I wanted to ask you, what are the reasons you, personally, believe his version? In light of him lying afterwards, and burying the kids in such an obnoxious way? Is there anything in him, his posture, his words, that makes you believe he is innocent? Or is it just your personal position? Because of what is in the cards for him if he is proven guilty?

I don't necessarily believe his version, but I don't feel comfortable accusing him of murdering his daughters until I know more. I believe he lied to cover up for murdering his wife and unborn son and he should be punished for the crimes he's comitted. If he's proven guilty of murdering his daughters than he deserves what he gets.
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He played football. Somewhere there are pictures and some talk about it with a boy who played with him in high school, was it?

I remember about him playing chess, lol.

Here is an article that vaguely mentions football but I don't think it would fly as he was never a professional level. By the same token, we could say he was a biker and fell of a bike and got a trauma, or something else. But as far as I know, he never sought help for a concussion.

The article is nice because it sums up what I have mentioned, the dichotomy between the real life of the Wattses and their SM life. Nice photos, too.

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?
 
The thing is that we keep hearing that it's unlikely for a child to turn 'blue' all over, like the 'blue' in the monitor. Things like blue lips can occur during an asthma attack or a severe allergy attack and are not necessarily a sign of irreversible death. So even if he had a baby monitor that could show a blue child, it seems unlikely it would be all that noticeable from the monitor, plus the child could be revivable if paramedics can get there fast.

And this thing about seeing Shanann 'actively' strangling a child on the monitor. I am curious to find out whether the monitor is positioned in such a way that he could see that or if he would only see Shanann's back as she bends over the child and wouldn't look any different from bending over kissing the child goodnight. It's possible that he could lie about the position he says he saw Shanann in to match where she would have to be in order to be seen on the monitor, but I'm curious to see if that's possible from the monitor position.


Just made me think of the two defenses thatwere discussed above.

The affirmative defense which would be defense of others, and the other one which would be a defense of mistake.

What if his team came up with *someone* actually gave the children something that was an allergy that killed them, and then he said he mistook her shaking one of them to wake them up from the death from the allergy, so he would go with both defenses?

It's out in la-la land as far as a defense, but just thought I would throw that in.

But then again, there's that darn autopsy which would know of a death from an allergic reaction.
 
Obviously we don’t have that at this point in time. Hopefully as more information comes out, it will give us a clearer picture of what exactly happened that tragic morning.
May I ask you, if forensic evidence did (hypothetically) come out supporting CW’s version, would you believe it?

I would but I've also asked myself what that proof would have to be to change my mind. I know it's been mentioned what if they were drugged. If the kids were drugged, that wouldn't prove to me SW did it because CW could have also drugged them so that wouldn't do it for me. DNA wouldn't change my opinion because they are the parents and I would expect both their DNA to be on the kids. We also don't know when they were killed so if they were alive when she got home, she could have touched them or kissed them leaving her DNA on them that night and then CW could have killed them later after he killed her so even DNA wouldn't convince me 100%. Scratch marks and size of hands could possibly sway me. Others have said what if he put SW hands on the kids necks or scratched them with her nails after he killed them, so I guess that could also be an option that would have me wondering. Maybe a video of SW actually threatening to harm their kids (not just analyzing her behavior on her videos) but something concrete where she actually says she would harm the children. I really don't know what I would need to change my mind. I do feel strongly he did this and not SW but yes I would admit I was wrong if need be. I would like to hear other's thoughts on what it would take to sway them to hey, maybe SW did do this.
 
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He played football. Somewhere there are pictures and some talk about it with a boy who played with him in high school, was it?
Lance Alfonso, who played recreational football with Chris when they were growing up in North Carolina, said the accused murderer “was someone who wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

“I’ve never seen him ever get angry at anybody, even on the football field,” Alfonso added.

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?
 
He played football. Somewhere there are pictures and some talk about it with a boy who played with him in high school, was it?
CTE is usually found in cases of athletes, such as boxers or football players, who have had thousands of hits to the head, resulting in numerous tiny concussions. They may experience a little of this in high school sports, in fact the Pathologist who discovered the condition claimed they did, but it is the result of repetitive injury to the brain over a long time that causes it. There are also many signs and symptoms that begin gradually. They would have been obvious. They are working on a way to diagnose this condition, but at the time it can only be determined after the person has died. But they have a very good idea of the symptoms now and it would have been obvious. There is a really good movie about the Dr. who discoverd this disease played by Will Smith.
 
Could be he was so angry following rejection the night before by the AP, that he could not deal with any hyperactivity from the kids, or sillytalk they may have picked up over the weeks away.
One slap from those gym muscles could have started the whole massacre.

When was the last time he was alone with them, as caretaker, before that weekend?
 
Obviously we don’t have that at this point in time. Hopefully as more information comes out, it will give us a clearer picture of what exactly happened that tragic morning.
May I ask you, if forensic evidence did (hypothetically) come out supporting CW’s version, would you believe it?

if forensic evidence supports CW's version, I would like to know why the heck he buried his kids in such a horrible way, and why did he lie in his interview. Who was he covering for? However, I would say, he should not be accused of killing the kids.

It is the situation when SW is dead and can't speak for herself. So I would not really accuse her even if forensic evidence supports his version. But if there is not enough evidence to support the prosecutor's version, that CW murdered the girls, CW should not be charged with that crime. So for him, it will be only murdering SW and Nico that will stay, and he already confessed in that murders.
 
I havnt seen that post but even if it were true, what bearing would it have on this case ?
I don’t know, I suppose anything about their lives could have bearing on this case. I just remember it being discussed previously. Someone asked one of the VI’s, but the VI did not want to answer.
 
Lance Alfonso, who played recreational dfootball with Chris when they were growing up in North Carolina, said the accused murderer “was someone who wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

“I’ve never seen him ever get angry at anybody, even on the football field,” Alfonso added.

‘Everyone Liked Him’: Did Colorado Dad Chris Watts Lead a Double Life?
I would bet that that friend would not think that he was capable of burying his dead wife in a shallow grave or dumping his children in crude oil, either.
Those kind of statements only go to disprove his rage killing of SW too, and points to premeditation or pre-planning.
 
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