Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

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MerryB said:
Right. That’s why I used the term “involved party.” I did not say SW, Bella, CW, the teacher, or the school. We don’t know.
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Actually you said "it implied something that reflected negatively on an involved party IMO".

From where did you get your information that it "reflected negatively" in order to form your opinion?
 
bonjoviblonde said:
If memory serves I think it was "Do you really want me to answer this?" . I'm not sure how this translates to getting kicked out of school. I think the VI did reply with a flippant answer because she was just tired of answering the repeated question but that's JMO and just a guess on my part. I shouldn't speak for her.
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I personally took it as, based on the overall culture of the board, we (as a whole) would not be receptive to the reason she would give. JMO
 
Tippy Lynn said:
We know he's not innocent - he confessed to killing his wife and unborn son. That's why he hid the bodies and lied about it. I'm not willing to convict CW for murdering his daughters without more evidence. For me personally, I would feel horrible if I wrongly accused somebody of such a horrendous and unthinkable crime without more evidence. I realize not everyone feels the same way and some have no problem saying horrid comments abut him murdering his daughters, but it doesn't feel right for me to do that. Maybe I'm naive, have too much empathy, too soft hearted or just plain wrong. I don't know....it's just doesn't feel right for me.
jmo
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BBM. If you believe he murdered his wife and unborn son, why would you have ANY empathy for him at all? If there is any evidence SW murdered her girls I want to hear about that, but his word that she did it is not evidence. It is more horrid to say that she did it without any evidence and without any empathy toward her, a victim. We don't have to believe him until proven otherwise. We don't have to give both CW and SW an equal amount of empathy either. We know what he is capable of and what he has confessed to. He doesn't deserve even a fraction of the empathy we should have for his innocent victims. And he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be given MORE empathy than his victims. Yet that it what some seem to be doing when they ignore the evidence against him and the complete lack of evidence against SW-- identifying MORE with an admitted murderer, an admitted adulterer, an admitted liar, giving him the benefit of doubt, and looking for reasons to blame a pregnant mother who was murdered and buried in a shallow grave. So what convincing reason do you have to give Chris Watts empathy? It must be pretty strong or you wouldn't still be on that fence you keep saying you are on. Maybe if you shared that with us we would be able to look at it from a different angle. JMO.
 
MerryB said:
SBM for brevity. How do you know this?
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To my knowledge the defense team haven't come out once and said they believe what is said in the affidavit about his combined 'confession' and accusation/allegation.

We know from the affidavit that CW made that allegation. So far, to my knowledge, he is the only person who has made that allegation, not LE, not the DA, and not his defense team.

The defense team may or may not run with that allegation at trial. Even if they do, that doesn't necessarily mean there's evidence to back up the allegation, they could just throw mud and see if any sticks enough for the jury to decide they have doubts and thus not convict on those charges. Running with a particular defense in no way implies the defense team have evidence to back it up nor that they personally believe in it. They can only go with what they're given.

There was a request for CW's handprints that a lot of us conjectured might be to compare marks on necks during autopsy. The defense didn't want to hand them over. Why not? If they believed, from CW, that handing over his handprints would get four counts of murder 1 removed, why wouldn't they be more than willing? I think, from that, they know his handprints won't prove he couldn't have killed the girls and so they'd rather fight the motion than willingly comply and make their job so much simpler to only have the job of trying to get the murder 1 for murdering Shanann reduced to manslaughter or diminished capacity.

Plus, the defense now have the autopsy results. If those autopsy results suggested in any way that Shanann killed the children, then we'd have a possibility of those charges being dropped. Even if they weren't dropped, I think it's a strong possibility that the defense would choose to go before the judge for a bail hearing and argue for bail. In many cases a very high bail is set for murder charges and a defense team will fight for a hearing to get the bail reduced. Even if the accused still can't make the reduced bail I think it has some kind of symbolic meaning?

So for all those reasons, I think the defense are just doing their job right now because it is their job to defend the accused in this case, and there's no sign that they have any evidence with which to accuse Shanann or to back up CW's allegations against Shanann.
 
Gardener1850 said:
BBM. If you believe he murdered his wife and unborn son, why would you have ANY empathy for him at all? If there is any evidence SW murdered her girls I want to hear about that, but his word that she did it is not evidence. It is more horrid to say that she did it without any evidence and without any empathy toward her, a victim. We don't have to believe him until proven otherwise. We don't have to give both CW and SW an equal amount of empathy either. We know what he is capable of and what he has confessed to. He doesn't deserve even a fraction of the empathy we should have for his innocent victims. And he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be given MORE empathy than his victims. Yet that it what some seem to be doing when they ignore the evidence against him and the complete lack of evidence against SW-- identifying MORE with an admitted murderer, an admitted adulterer, an admitted liar, giving him the benefit of doubt, and looking for reasons to blame a pregnant mother who was murdered and buried in a shallow grave. So what convincing reason do you have to give Chris Watts empathy? It must be pretty strong or you wouldn't still be on that fence you keep saying you are on. Maybe if you shared that with us we would be able to look at it from a different angle. JMO.
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Gardener1850 said:
BBM. If you believe he murdered his wife and unborn son, why would you have ANY empathy for him at all? If there is any evidence SW murdered her girls I want to hear about that, but his word that she did it is not evidence. It is more horrid to say that she did it without any evidence and without any empathy toward her, a victim. We don't have to believe him until proven otherwise. We don't have to give both CW and SW an equal amount of empathy either. We know what he is capable of and what he has confessed to. He doesn't deserve even a fraction of the empathy we should have for his innocent victims. And he sure as heck doesn't deserve to be given MORE empathy than his victims. Yet that it what some seem to be doing when they ignore the evidence against him and the complete lack of evidence against SW-- identifying MORE with an admitted murderer, an admitted adulterer, an admitted liar, giving him the benefit of doubt, and looking for reasons to blame a pregnant mother who was murdered and buried in a shallow grave. So what convincing reason do you have to give Chris Watts empathy? It must be pretty strong or you wouldn't still be on that fence you keep saying you are on. Maybe if you shared that with us we would be able to look at it from a different angle. JMO.
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IMO I haven't given him empathy, but I have considered the reason he gave for killing his pregnant wife.
jmo
 
Tippy Lynn said:
I don't necessarily believe his version, but I don't feel comfortable accusing him of murdering his daughters until I know more. I believe he lied to cover up for murdering his wife and unborn son and he should be punished for the crimes he's comitted. If he's proven guilty of murdering his daughters than he deserves what he gets.
jmo
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By all means, if anyone has actual theories on SW being the killer rather than just not liking her, please put them out there. We have all seen cases before where moms kill.

What would make this case absolutely unprecedented would be a father lying and covering everything up if he didn't kill his children. So explaining his lies and coverup need to be part of any theory, imo.
 
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