Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

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I am not sure that she expected any of 'her people' to stop their Christmas celebrations to watch the tape she posted.

That particular tape was live streamed initially for the grandparents so they could see the girls at Christmas. It obviously didn't go as planned, but I don't see why it would be so difficult to watch. Toddlers have tantrums, especially during the holidays. I don't think it is that big of a deal. JMO
We must be talking about different live-streams because the one I saw wasn't "live streamed initially for the grandparents." SW needed CW's telephone, which he left in the garage, so that she could facetime the encounter with Santa to the grandparents. When it didn't go well, she disconnected the facetime with the grandparents but she continued to live-stream.

My point is the live-streaming to "her people" was unnecessary and seemed to add to an already stressful situation. We'll agree to disagree.
JMO
 
This crime really haunts me and I think about it more than I should. Last night I was thinking about what CW did and what he might have done. IMO of course. I picture him with a plan and maybe a timeline. He probably had thought about it a lot and enjoyed the thoughts. Freedom. His own life, lived his way. No responsibilities. To him it probably seemed capable of success and he probably thought himself very clever. Something then triggered the plans into reality. The reality took over and everything was proceeding well until. . . . . . .SW's plane is delayed. Did he sit and fume over the delay, become angry and frustrated. Did he count the minutes and hours as they passed, knowing that he no longer had that time available for his plan? Over three hours late! How did that change things? How much did he recover himself after SW arrived home? I think he was angry, but recovered sufficiently to continue as he planned, only with less time. He probably did a check of the house, especially upstairs, decided everything was okay, and the inside of the house could be dealt with later because it was time to move and hide the bodies. Time was not his friend. Did he know about the neighbor's video then? Did he think up the story of getting some tools, and going to work, while he was loading the truck? Maybe. He then makes the 40+ hour trip to the oil tanks. That trip had to be very stressful; watching for police, concentrating on driving safely, avoiding any delays. But, he reaches the tanks without any problems. The girls were probably first; they would have been removed from the truck one at a time, carried to and up the stairs, and put into the tanks (probably with difficulty). Finally SW. Was the shallow grave deliberate or necessary? The dawn was breaking and light was overcoming the darkness and the world around him was waking up. For whatever reason, SW ended up in a shallow grave. Tools were gathered up and probably a quick look to see everything looked normal. Perhaps the sheet was overlooked. Or, it was thrown hastily in the bed of the truck at some point and blew out unnoticed, as he was driving away. So far things had worked out, as he had planned. After work he could return home and finish cleaning up and then begin setting the stage for a disappearance or kidnapping. Later, the next morning maybe, he'd return to the oil tanks and finish there, maybe put SW in a deeper grave or move her. Yes, it was all working out. And then NUA called, and called again, until he had to go meet her. That would have complicated things, especially when she involved the police. Now his schedule was changed again. No time to finish cleaning up, no time to put things away, hide things, or set up the disappearance or kidnapping scenario. Now LE was involved and would be watching him. Now he had no choice but to begin pretending his family was gone and he didn't know where or why. So he did pretend, and made the best of what he had, which wasn't much. There were too many questions, too many holes, and he wasn't a good enough actor. Lies were being revealed and he was forced to admit to the lies. It began to crumble around him. Time now for one last desperate lie, one desperate gamble; accuse the victim and try to become a hero. Maybe that would work!

Of course it didn't work. He's not a hero. He's a murderer. He was inside his mind and his plan looking out, and he didn't see all that was wrong, all that was horrible, all that pointed to him. He couldn't see it from where he was, and is; inside an ugly, selfish. little world. I wonder if he has any true regrets or just blames others for what has happened, like he's blamed SW? Just pondering, I hope no one minds.

Love your thoughts,:):):) and I agree with a lot of them. MOO.
Continue sending us more please.
 
Hello - I am a long time lurker on this thread - but my first post. This case has intrigued me in so many ways. This is MOO - What led him to killing his wife and little girls - I see Shanann as being the one in the relationship whom everyone likes - she is friendly, happy, has a little sass to her, she can light up a room. Chris is the one who is a follower, with a low self esteem. He liked the fact that a pretty girl with the friendly personality would date him then become his wife. He felt on top of the world. They have kids - he isn't the center of attention anymore but can deal with it. Then Shanann gets involved with Thrive - she is a top earner -( I sell for a MLM - I know what you got to do to make the big bucks, I don't make my biz my top income so I don't push the "fake it till you make it" way on social media) - now he feels like she isn't paying enough attention to him. He doesn't feel important - maybe he feels like all he is there for is to take care of the kids, he starts to resent them, Shanann and Thrive. He gets into shape and starts taking care of himself. He is getting attention from female coworkers - something that he never had before - and now he is liking it since Shanann isn't giving him the attention like he thinks he deserves. Shanann and the kids are gone to NC for 6 weeks - he is getting the attention from someone else (maybe even more than one person) - they come back from NC - he decides he doesn't want to live the family life anymore. I think it was premeditated... Why did he delete his FB profile a week before this all happened? He likes attention - I think that's what some people want that help with low self esteem. I know a few others have posted something similar to this. These are just my thoughts. My friend sells Thrive - she met Shanann at one of their getaways last year. She said she was one of the nicest people she has ever met. This whole case is sad. Hell divorce is an easier way out!

Thanks for your firstPost here.
A great deal of what you state, maybe spot on. MOO.
Divorce would have been the way out.
 
I've often pondered the flight delay, and whether or not it actually had any relation. After reading your words "everything was proceeding well until. . . . . . .SW's plane is delayed," my first thought was, "if it was such a big deal, why didn't he push everything back? Why not reschedule?" Surely, if he had felt as though he didn't have enough time, he could have easily cancelled everything and opted for a future date where he could have more control, and not have to worry about pesky flight delays.

Unless there was something hugely significant that wouldn't have allowed him to reschedule his plan.

Such as already having killed either one or two of the girls before SW arrived home. Or perhaps in the style of CC, he had already lied to his AP about presenting SW with divorce papers, and knowing he'd likely see the AP at work on Monday, didn't want to have to see her until he knew he had followed through with his plan. Jmo

rainynights.
Your last paragraph, may explain, CW's actions, when SW returned home.
Why that night? Because, he had already thought it through. MOO.
 
I absolutely disagree. They would have discovered SW’s body first, and then logically, proceed to drain the tanks.

Those things stick out like a sore thumb. They would have put two and two together.
Or at least checked with sonar... assuming there’s something that could “see” through the tanks...

(maybe there isn’t, but I want to believe there is! :) )
 
Yes. Or maybe she told him that she was taking the girls with her in the morning and they were leaving until he 'figured it out' with his AP.

That would be an URGENT situation for him. Once she moved out, he could never 'disappear' his family again. So he might have felt it was a NOW OR NEVER kind of night.

When I read your Post, I immediately thought of the great song.:):):)
Maybe it was blasting into CW's head, at the time, and action was required: but probably, he is too young!!!
 
But then you get into another set of criteria for witholding and FOI is all about openiness. It has to be all or nothing.

NO, it should never be 'all or nothing.' It should always be on a case by case situation. That's what courts are for.

The FOI may be all about transparency, but it is more complicated than that sometimes. There are other parties to think about, besides the publics yearning to know something.
 
Hi, I’m a long-time lurker, first time poster....

I think CW killed them because he feared getting caught in all his lies. He felt backed into a corner, so he killed his family so he wouldn’t be exposed. Reminds me of Mark Hacking.
Hi and welcome PJSleuth!
I agree with you.
This Watts case is horrifying and I feel so sorry for both families. What a terrible loss that should never have happened.
Mark Hacking had a most unfortunate last name. I'm glad he's locked up and I hope its for life.
Status: Sentenced to 6 years to life in prison on June 6, 2004
MOO
 
NO, it should never be 'all or nothing.' It should always be on a case by case situation. That's what courts are for.

The FOI may be all about transparency, but it is more complicated than that sometimes. There are other parties to think about, besides the publics yearning to know something.
But that's what the legislation is, if it doesn't fall within any statutory exceptions, it will always be released.
 
I'm back!!!! After almost a month without internet (because of a move) and a phone crash...I can get back online now.

I've got about 20 threads to catch up on but can someone give me a little bit of a summary? I see something about a footprint but not sure what that is about. Try not to move to fast until I get caught up please.

Glad, you're back on line. There is a condensed version, with the media thread.
Also you will find, there is a great deal of repetition, so it won't take you as long as you may think.:):)
 
In order to carry out affairs I wonder if CW had a secret burner phone so SW wouldn't see his phone records if she took care of the bills?

I've mentioned this before but I'm interested to learn about the computer forensics and what may have been found on CW's phone and laptop.

Did he search for ways of strangulation or other ways of quick killing?
Did he search on how to disappear and change his identity?
Did he look up other states with the idea of moving from CO?

His texts etc will be telling.
MOO
edited for a typo.
 
In order to carry out affairs I wonder of CW had a secret burner phone so SW wouldn't see his phone records if she took care of the bills?

I've mentioned this before but I'm interested to learn about the computer forensics and what may have been found on CW's phone and laptop.

Did he search for ways of strangulation or other ways of quick killing?
Did he search on how to disappear and change his identity?
Did he look up other states with the idea of moving from CO?

His texts etc will be telling.
MOO
Yup. These things will be very interesting. The good thing is that messages will not only be on his device, but on those that he engaged in affairs with as well. So even if he did delete things from his phone, there is always another option.

Digital information has brought down many a killer.
 
Oh. Thank you for explaining. I was feeling dense. :oops: I wasn't thinking of it as a print that was visible to the naked eye. I was thinking of it like a print found with forensics.
Ha!! atleast you were feeling dense, most the time I actually am sincerely dense. I was thinking about words, "actively", "ultimately", then "impression vs imprint". Thinking outloud :)
 
Socks and sandals :D
My feet get cold, so I usually wear socks. Sandals are easier to put on than shoes, and I’m not about to take my socks off to put them on.

History tells us that people who wear sandals without socks, go on to murder their families (CW). Just saying.

I think this completely legitimate fact, should be included in the prosecution’s opening statement. :D
 
I mean, there’s one place with disturbed ground. If there is only one body found there, it’s not rocket science to check the viability of the kids being put into the tanks that are sitting right there.

As soon as they saw that it was doable, they would have asked the company to drain the tanks.

Those bodies were going to be found.
I agree. Also GPS would show his truck was either idling or engine off at that location for maybe 30-60 minutes; depending on how long it took him.
 
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