Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

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We'll agree to disagree. I believe a sad day for justice is when innocent people are convicted for crimes they didn't commit. JMO
So, now rather than having reasonable doubt or looking at both sides you believe he is innocent of the horrific murders of Bella and CeCe? What evidence leads you to believe it will be a sad day when CW is convicted of murdering CeCe and Bella before dumping them in vats of oil to rot?
 
I am trying to think of what 'evidence' there could be that SW was the killer.

The only thing I can think of is DNA on their necks or under their little finger nails.


If they had Mom’s DNA under their fingernails, why would CW even consider pleading out?


Wouldn’t he want to go to trial and be publicly proven to be NOT GUILTY of killing the babies?

I was thinking there could possibly be a text, email, voicemail or a digital footprint of sorts.
jmo
 
So, now rather than having reasonable doubt or looking at both sides you believe he is innocent of the horrific murders of Bella and CeCe? What evidence leads you to believe it will be a sad day when CW is convicted of murdering CeCe and Bella before dumping them in vats of oil to rot?
A sad day for me is when a murdered woman is vilified because she didn't film herself playing with her kids, that she should not have let them play on a water slide, and that proof is demanded that she did not ever see a mental health specialist.
 
The plea deal is done behind closed doors but the Judge has to agree to it and also ask CW if he agrees to accept it. All that is done in a public hearing.

I do think it is something important because the DA sent out a news release to the media stating CW was expected to attend. And, the DA refused to say if the Nov. 19 was going to remain on the docket.

Christopher Watts expected to appear in court on Tuesday

Fake news. IMO. There was no refusal of anything by the DA. The article reads:

"Another status conference set for Nov. 19 remained on the docket on Friday afternoon, and DA spokeswoman Krista Henery in an email stated that her office would know more on Tuesday about whether the later hearing would remain on the docket."
 
A sad day for me is when a murdered woman is vilified because she didn't film herself playing with her kids, that she should not have let them play on a water slide, and that proof is demanded that she did not ever see a mental health specialist.
It's sickening. And IMO put forth for controversy and personal entertainment rather than true beliefs.
 
A sad day for me is when a murdered woman is vilified because she didn't film herself playing with her kids, that she should not have let them play on a water slide, and that proof is demanded that she did not ever see a mental health specialist.
Exactly. It’s so sick. There is overwhelming evidence on one side, and nothing on the other.

In order to prove a narrative that she killed her kids, you have to twist facts, and assign weight to things that are not evidence.

You have to say things like, the “autopsy might show” or “her health records might show.”

Build a narrative around the evidence, not the other way around. Not if the truth is your ultimate goal.
 
I am trying to think of what 'evidence' there could be that SW was the killer.

The only thing I can think of is DNA on their necks or under their little finger nails.


If they had Mom’s DNA under their fingernails, why would CW even consider pleading out?


Wouldn’t he want to go to trial and be publicly proven to be NOT GUILTY of killing the babies?

I was thinking there could possibly be a text, email, voicemail or a digital footprint of sorts.
jmo

So, a possible text, email, voicemail or digital footprint outweighs everything we know CW did?

I don't know how you came up with that. I never mentioned anything about evidence outweighing what we know. I said a text, email, voicemail or a digital footprint could be evidence that SW was the killer.
jmo
 
I don't know how you came up with that. I never mentioned anything about evidence outweighing what we know. I said a text, email, voicemail or a digital footprint could be evidence that SW was the killer.
jmo
Do you think there is evidence that she is the killer, based on what we know at this point?
 
Suge Knight just took a plea deal. And it didn't happen during a public status hearing.

It happens behind closed doors and its all announced publicly after all paperwork is basically singed but before the actual mentioning.

So once a defendant accepts a plea deal. The next court hearing is Not called a Status hearing. Come on.
Which is why the DA refused to say if the Nov. 19 Status Hearing would remain on the Docket.

According to this Colorado attorney pre-trial hearings are so attorneys can discuss whether the case can be resolved without going to a trial.

CW has not even entered a plea in this case. I think it is telling that the DA wants to hold the hearing on Election Day. Perhaps he hopes the media won't be as attentive. JMO

Pretrial hearings in Colorado Criminal Cases.
 
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Ridiculous, isn't it? IMHO, it will be a cold day in hell before that happens.

You know it's probably not ridiculous to some who may have had their biases confirmed by the whisperings of someone who loathes Shanann and who is close to CW.

"First hand" negative info can be powerful. Especially when it supports negative feelings we may already have about something or someone.

I think something may be overlooked, however. Do loved ones of accused murderers ever defend their loved one no matter what? Can they sometimes be irrational in their denial of the allegations? Do they ever come up with things that simply aren't true, even if they feel they are, because they're desperate to believe their loved one is innocent?

How is history perceived by someone who may be biased? Can dysfunction ever play a part in people's feelings toward one another? What is the history of the accused? What is their context? What life experiences and what people helped shape who they are and does any of that play into the allegations and statements and beliefs of ardent defenders of someone accused of murder?

Jason Young's mom described her drunken, cheating, cruel and sociopathic son as "an imp." She returned presents her dead daughter-in-law's family sent to their granddaughter and refused to let them see the little girl. After they lost their daughter.

Scott Peterson's mom told her "golden boy" to "deny everything" when talking to investigators. His parents described their quiet, smiling but serious son as "Mr. Perfect". They insisted satanists had abducted their daughter in law.
Jackie Peterson criticized her daughter in law, feeling she was too much of a perfectionist and not good enough for her son. She was upset that the couple had moved closer to Laci's parents and farther from her.

She and her husband cruelly battled the Rocha family over Laci's china, her rocking chair, photos and clothes and her wedding dress.

Chris Coleman's parents refused to believe there was any chance their son killed his family. His father blamed his dead daughter in law for Chris's affair saying she didn't do her duty as a wife. He critiqued her as being not good enough for his son when they met her - wearing little short shorts and being too worldly.

Coleman's parents cruelly fought Sherri's family for custody of the dead bodies of Sherri and her two sons, despite the fact that their "innocent" son had been convicted of murdering all three.

I think the motivations and contexts of statements made by loved ones of defendants should be seriously considered when determining the significance of statements they may make.

But that doesn't always happen.
 
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Great points! I would sum it up with something I have mentioned before...that in 2 of his 3 interviews, he describes coming back to no one home as "It's vanished." That is his family he has detached from, IMO. They are now "it" and "vanished." Those weren't his precious children, they were trash IMO. His lack of grief/devastation is frightening and the very reason I believe his friends the Thayers believe he is the sole murderer. They saw it up close his last night of freedom at their home where he spent the night. It disturbed them deeply. Their grief you could see and not mistake IMO.
The Thayer’s exhibited the kind of grief and remorse I’d expect from CW. Whether he did or didn’t kill them. Two more good people who’s lives will be forever scarred in some way because of this monster.

My vocabulary isn’t big enough to come up w/a descriptive word that adequately describes him. “Monster” is just too tame.
 
CW was charged with 5 counts of first degree murder. FIVE. The prosecution had enough evidence to bring those charges. Against CW and CW alone. The other charges are serious, but superfluous. The charges will be presented, to the jury, with evidence, and the jury will decide on what was done and if it should be punished. They will probably think it was desecration. MOO.
The DA filed the charges long before the autopsy reports were completed. He sure did attract a lot of national attention and here we are. JMO
 
Which is why the DA refused to say if the Nov. 19 Status Hearing would remain on the Docket.

According to this Colorado attorney pre-trial hearings are so attorneys can discuss whether the case can be resolved without going to a trial.

CW has not even entered a plea in this case. I think it is telling that the DA wants to hold the hearing on Election Day. Perhaps he hopes the media won't be as attentive. JMO

Pretrial hearings in Colorado Criminal Cases.
Oh my, you really do not trust this DA? Conspiracy abounds. I guess we will see Tuesday.
 
Which is why the DA refused to say if the Nov. 19 Status Hearing would remain on the Docket.

According to this Colorado attorney pre-trial hearings are so attorneys can discuss whether the case can be resolved without going to a trial.

CW has not even entered a plea in this case. I think it is telling that the DA wants to hold the hearing on Election Day. Perhaps he hopes the media won't be as attentive. JMO

Pretrial hearings in Colorado Criminal Cases.
Exactly. So let's just all hug and carry on. :)
 
Suge Knight just took a plea deal. And it didn't happen during a public status hearing.

It happens behind closed doors and its all announced publicly after all paperwork is basically singed but before the actual mentioning.

So once a defendant accepts a plea deal. The next court hearing is Not called a Status hearing. Come on.

Yes. In my years following high profile murder cases it is very clear that plea deals are announced and explained in advance by the state. Theirs is a political office. They want to get out in front of any deals. They don't just "spring it" on an unsuspecting public at a status conference. Lol.

They need to explain the rationale behind the deal. Why it's good for the victim and their loved ones and why it is good for society.
 
Exactly. It’s so sick. There is overwhelming evidence on one side, and nothing on the other.

In order to prove a narrative that she killed her kids, you have to twist facts, and assign weight to things that are not evidence.

You have to say things like, the “autopsy might show” or “her health records might show.”

Build a narrative around the evidence, not the other way around. Not if the truth is your ultimate goal.
Unfortunately there are some people who prefer to "saw a coat on a button"! If you know what I mean.
 
I was thinking there could possibly be a text, email, voicemail or a digital footprint of sorts.
jmo
Very possible because I don't believe that "emotional conversation" began just prior to the murders. Remember the image of the covered doll on the sofa? It will be interesting to see which phone was used to take it. JMO
 
Oh my, you really do not trust this DA? Conspiracy abounds. I guess we will see Tuesday.
I didn't say anything about trusting the DA. The reporter asked the question, not me. Tuesday is election day. The DA is a politician and politicians do worry about perception. JMO
 
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