Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #50

[Layla123]

Bam. Profound words.

Yes, but most important, will you be here at 10:00 on Monday morning? Crossing fingers.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

How can you most hurt your future DIL, right off the bat, refuse to go to the wedding, creating forever more continuing questions on the wedding photos, where is Christopher's Mom, was she sick?

Right, I’m not saying otherwise. The MIL and SIL not going to the wedding is very hurtful and it shows a level of disrespect like no other. I’m only saying I think it’s possible CW played a role in it somehow.
jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

Right, I’m not saying otherwise. The MIL and SIL not going to the wedding is very hurtful and it shows a level of disrespect like no other. I’m only saying I think it’s possible CW played a role in it somehow.
jmo

But why do you think that? Mrs Watts said it was because she disliked SW.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why wouldn't he want them to attend his wedding?

And if he was the one who told them not to attend, why wouldn't MIL just say so?

I’m only saying I think it’s possible CW played a role in his mom and sister not attending the wedding.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I also happen to believe that they have probably been told all of this by legal professionals wishing to step in and help them, and they've ignored it because their ears have been bent in the other direction by those supporting their claims of foul. I think they are intent on taking over where CW left off. Doing their own trial as they would have imagined it playing out, in the public domain.

MOO

I agree, Tortoise!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Defective people who are so hurt, who feel so worthless, sometimes they lose it, but their feelings of worthlessness can’t be attributed to their spouses because we are each responsible for our own self esteem. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt a person with healthy self esteem. I can accept CW & SW were still young, marriage is a long journey of learning about one another, and they hadn’t figured out how to live together in harmony, yet. But then I think of Bella and CeCe. Why? Why? Why? They had absolutely nothing to do with their parents’ marital conflicts. Why kill them? It doesn’t make sense. And then I’m back to point zero. I can’t wait until we find out on Monday. I hope you will be present, here, at Websleuths @ 10:00 am, because I know I’ll have a lot of questions!

As for those who still believe that SW murdered the children, I don’t think it has anything to do with the murders and seeking truth and justice. I think it’s all about them, and the pleasure and notoriety they derive from being different. I think it’s an ego thing for them. It gives them a dark and sick power. It’s very strange.

I have not been able to wrap by brain around those that still profess that SW killed her girls, I think your insight is very wise.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm gonna stick my neck out and say I think it's the evidence and the evidence only that made CW ask for a plea deal. Nothing more. Not the prospect of a trial, not (after seeing the parents' interviews) having to face his family, only the evidence.

I firmly believe that we're going to see that he made a very big boo-boo, that he was caught in the headlights.

Maybe he drugged the girls and drowned them in the bath and there is bath water in their lungs that separated from the oil they were put in.
Maybe they have records of him purchasing the drug or chemical he may have used on them.
Maybe he did an internet search for methods weeks ahead.

Given the extent of his lying and cheating, his double life, his level of self-awareness or rather lack of it, and his sociopathy (moo) I do not think he would be phased by the thought of lying his way through a trial. If anything his cheating would be perfect ammunition to use against Shan'ann flying into a rage. He already had his family on his side so they wouldn't be shocked that he was having affairs.

I do think that the evidence was a driving force in the plea deal, but there may be more to it than that.

This guy is clearly obsessed with his image, and what other people think of him.

There may be secrets that he doesn’t want to be revealed in an open court, especially AP’s testifying against him.

If one or more of these AP’s is in fact male, that may be a bridge too far for him. It doesn’t matter what we think about that sort of thing (fortunately, most people embrace that now), but to him, he might find that especially embarrassing.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But why do you think that? Mrs Watts said it was because she disliked SW.

Yes, she did say that. It doesn’t mean she made the decision not to attend without being encouraged not to go.
jmo

 

[gitana1]

Don't know about Colorado, but I believe in some states, if a party has been collaterally damaged, by the actions of another they can sue for damages. The Watts family has damaged the Rzucek family collaterally. I was mostly thinking of a Restraining Order.

Perhaps they could sue for intentional infliction of emotional distress. But I'm stretching to get there.

 

[nwmouse]

Websleuths and Tricia have been a wonderful, compassionate pro-victim support system for Shanann's friends and family.

I admit that after looking at the shade being thrown Shanann and her family's way on SM I feel SICK to my stomach.
I can only imagine how painful it is for her loved ones to endure.

Whilst listening to Tricia, Gitana1, Liltexans and Levi Page's podcast from last night, I know it brought comfort to Shanann's family and friends. Thank you. This horror will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

 

[ColoradoLove]

Is anyone local going to go to the sentencing? I'm considering it, but also feel it's going to be a circus, and going would only contribute to said circus. At the same time, I want to be there as steadfast, although silent, support for Shanann, the girls and Nico, and their family, and to be able to see, in person, a historical and horrific case be resolved. I'm torn

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I do think that the evidence was a driving force in the plea deal, but there may be more to it than that.

This guy is clearly obsessed with his image, and what other people think of him.

There may be secrets that he doesn’t want to be revealed in an open court, especially AP’s testifying against him.

If one or more of these AP’s is in fact male, that may be a bridge too far for him. It doesn’t matter what we think about that sort of thing (fortunately, most people embrace that now), but to him, he might find that especially embarrassing.

Yes he is, on a more shallow note, look how he perked up when his shirt was mentioned - smackdab in the middle of trying to convince the world his family was missing.

 

[1&2&3]

Well they are saying that now but were they saying that in 2012 when they did not go to the wedding? That is kind of my question.
What exactly was the reason they did not go to their own sons wedding?

My guess is they did not go to the wedding because they thought by them not attending, Chris would not marry SW.
Guess they got fooled, Chris chose SW over his mom.
Unfortunately, I have lived through this situation. The MIL showed up at the last minute.

I think Cindy Watts is the controller, manipulating woman in this marriage. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Is anyone local going to go to the sentencing? I'm considering it, but also feel it's going to be a circus, and going would only contribute to said circus. At the same time, I want to be there as steadfast, although silent, support for Shanann, the girls and Nico, and their family, and to be able to see, in person, a historical and horrific case be resolved. I'm torn

You’re right about it being a circus. You’d probably have to get there super early if you do decide to go.

If you go, it should be for you, as she’s going to have more than enough support there. I’m sure that tons of people will be turned away.

 

[ColoradoLove]

@Colorado303 are you going to go? If you do, I'd go just to give you a giant hug for myself and the rest of us WSers!!!

 

[Seattle1]

I personally still want to know (most likely never will) why SW's mom & sister did not attend their wedding.
CW at that point must not have been saying anything bad about SW as he was marrying her and she was the woman he loved.
So what did the mother and sister see or think that would make them not attend the wedding??
I understand from an above post that his Dad did go. Usually no matter how people feel above a new son-in-law or daughter-in-law they shut their mouths and still attend if that wedding moves forward.
I just find that extremely odd and want to think that something must have been very wrong right from the get go. JMO

Out of Cindy's own mouth, she provided the TV reporter "we did not attend the wedding ..because SW and I just didn't get along." If your Mum disses her only son's wedding, it's usually to make a statement. That statement is open to interpretation and/or discussion ! MOO

 

[jenspired]

I've been about 3 threads behind since August - was close to being all caught up when the whole thread was put on the naughty step but then BAM guilty plea BAM Cindygate .

I am the daughter of a covert NPD mother who didn't come to our wedding and been no contact since then so I've found some posts on here very therapeutic and helpful hence poking my head above the parapet - can't remember all the IDs but you know who you are.

I hate the circumstances of how I got to know of Shannan and her little angels but I think her inspirational positivity, charisma and motherly love have touched far more people than the dastardly aspersions cast by other folk. MOO. I hope justice will prevail.

Heading back to quietly lurk again and bolster myself for whatever Monday has in store for us

 

[Lore Listener]

As for those who still believe that SW murdered the children, I don’t think it has anything to do with the murders and seeking truth and justice. I think it’s all about them, and the pleasure and notoriety they derive from being different. I think it’s an ego thing for them. It gives them a dark and sick power. It’s very strange.

The more I think about this, the more I agree. I had a narcissistic ex-father-in-law (whose son is the reason I got into the DV field professionally and why I feel so attached to this case) who fancied himself special and unique and brilliant in a way others could never truly understand. He had a weirdo drink order that he always burdened servers at restaurants with just so he could explain to his dining company for the hundredth time about his special genius in inventing a martini with exactly five olives--on the side. Anyway, one of his other creepy narcissistic quirks was that he always wanted to tell everyone why he, as a special genius lawyer, thought OJ was innocent. I made the mistake of asking him why one time only. It was nothing. Some stupid boring conspiracy-theory crap that didn't make any damn sense. But he thought he was so dark and different and fascinating for saying it. Although to anyone with a shred of critical thinking, he just sounded more arrogant and bumbling that ever. Five stars, Layla123!

 

[gitana1]

Agreed. I suspect that CW will never tell the truth. But do you think he confidentially told his lawyers what happened that night with that being protected by attorney/client privilege? I have no idea! I always wonder how that works when you actually ARE guilty of the crime. For your lawyers to best defend you, it seems like the best way would be to be completely upfront with them. But if you admit to what really happened, can they present a defense that you didn't do it? Or just suggest alternatives to what happened to show reasonable doubt?

The only thing I believe that they can't do if their client confesses is put him up there and have him answer questions to which they know he will lie.

Otherwise they can do everything in their power to force the state to prove its case and try to cast reasonable doubt wherever they can.

 

[gitana1]

I've been about 3 threads behind since August - was close to being all caught up when the whole thread was put on the naughty step but then BAM guilty plea BAM Cindygate .

I am the daughter of a covert NPD mother who didn't come to our wedding and been no contact since then so I've found some posts on here very therapeutic and helpful hence poking my head above the parapet - can't remember all the IDs but you know who you are.

I hate the circumstances of how I got to know of Shannan and her little angels but I think her inspirational positivity, charisma and motherly love have touched far more people than the dastardly aspersions cast by other folk. MOO. I hope justice will prevail.

Heading back to quietly lurk again and bolster myself for whatever Monday has in store for us

Thanks for posting here. Your post is positive and something for us to hold onto.

Hugs to you.