Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

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You left out the part where she said maybe not because he has “no game”. That does not sound like emotional distancing, just a thought tossed out there.

Perhaps he has "no game" because he is a HOLLOW MAN???
Does no game mean he wouldn’t know how to have an affair?
In the context of a "cheating spouse" am I the only one to interpret "no game" as inadequate, lacking, physical intimacy. That is not an uncommon trait of narc/sociopath who disregard other people. MOO
 
CW/SW are current with property tax and assessments. See tax receipt dated 6/6/18 uploaded - balance due $-0-.

Good sleuthing! Probably an escrow account, though those taxes can usually be paid with a credit card, addding to the debt.

Just saw above the payor is Chase. Escrow account for sure. Like I said earlier, with a loan that size and their money problems, it was probably required.
 
Yeah, in his interview, everything was all about him. He didn’t even try to fake that he was concerned about his “missing” family’s comfort or emotions. He just couldn’t sleep well. He missed them. Me, me, me, I, I, I....

I don’t think he’d kill himself. In fact, I bet he’s the type who never stops trying to get away with it, ala Jeffrey Macdonald (albeit JMac seems much smarter).

Yes, we've seen this type before, but IMO, you're correct -- the others were a bit smarter than CW, but none were as smart as they thought they were. "I'm the smartest one in the room." or "I'm way smarter than those dumb-axx cops." Alas, they were wrong.

:) And Hi to you, Boodles -- we meet again!! ;)
 
I feel like society spends way too much time trying to pry into the minds of killers. It’s not like knowing WHY they killed is going to change the mind of the next killer. Some people kill. They are evil. Some people yell. Some people hide. Etc. there’s good and evil. It should be all about the victims.
You may be right but you can count me in those who continue to try to figure out the minds of people who commit horrible crimes and has been that way my entire life. My biggest passion is WWII Germany and occupied Europe. The entire Nazi movement. I used to focus on Hitler thinking he was the cause of it all. After years I realized he was just a symptom, it was the society at large responsible for much of it. THAT is where I have been for about 20 years now. Yet, still I continue to read about Nazi perps and collaborators and listen to Holocaust survivor stories which are THE greatest source if one wants to truly get a handle on what life was like between 1929-1946 Germany as well as the countries they invaded. I read things from all perspectives to get as real a picture as possible.

Some people have a need to understand things that are not necessarily ever really understandable. I'm one of them.
 
I'm hoping that since this is such a high-profile case, they won't give him any chances to kill himself.

But then... Phillip Markoff- Craigslist Killer- that was a high-profile case and he managed to do it.
 
I feel like society spends way too much time trying to pry into the minds of killers. It’s not like knowing WHY they killed is going to change the mind of the next killer. Some people kill. They are evil. Some people yell. Some people hide. Etc. there’s good and evil. It should be all about the victims.
I think it’s human nature to hope that if we figure out what caused it we can spot the next one before he or she kills. Then we feel like we have some control.

Also people want there to be warning signs; otherwise it could happen to any of us at any time.
 
I think it’s human nature to hope that if we figure out what caused it we can spot the next one before he or she kills. Then we feel like we have some control.

Also people want there to be warning signs; otherwise it could happen to any of us at any time.
My guess the motive is simple. They had financial problems, from what has been reported. She was expecting a third child. And he didn't want the responsibilities.
 
In the context of a "cheating spouse" am I the only one to interpret "no game" as inadequate, lacking, physical intimacy. That is not an uncommon trait of narc/sociopath who disregard other people. MOO

I think of it more in terms of not being at all flirtatious, not knowing how to engage with the opposite sex to get them to be interested in you, lack of confidence, etc.
 
Finances and love lost, or even cheating...I can’t make the connection on why you kill your children. Spouses kill spouses way too often, but usually spare the kids. What happened here??? Seriously.
If he has no wife or children, he is free to date and behave as a single man. Getting rid of wife but not children makes him a single dad with a bunch of responsibilities. Whereas with no wife or kids, he can do whatever he wants and date whoever he wants. That'd be my guess.
 
It is part of the selling program. I sold Mary Kay which was not marketed as a "lifestyle" product but at the weekly meetings one of the things the leader always emphasized was to always look your best at shows or parties. Wear the makeup and be impeccably dressed and put together. That was the entire idea behind the pink cadillac the directors drove. It made you stand out and hopefully became an incentive to possible recruits who also wanted to be driving a pink caddy. I was lucky because I already had a wardrobe for work so didn't need to purchase new. Some girls upon joining had to go out and purchase new wardrobes to always look their best. In SW case it is a lifestyle they are selling...get the energy you need so you can accomplish all this..........house, cars, trips etc. Very misleading marketing as most of it is a facade. The only ones truly living large and not in debt are the ones on the top of the pyramid LOL
Exactly. I remember some housewifes selling Avon and Herbalife ages ago but nowadays, MLMs have become an epidemic with the rise of social media. I suddenly had two of my Facebook friends posting happy shiny images with lots of filters and stuff like „If you had one wish, what would that be: Better skin... lose weight... blabla“. I blocked them because it gives me the creeps. Kind of like the feeling the woman gets in the movie ”The Astronaut‘s wife“ when she discovers her spouse is an alien. Lol.
 
Finances and love lost, or even cheating...I can’t make the connection on why you kill your children. Spouses kill spouses way too often, but usually spare the kids. What happened here??? Seriously.

I think what I keep reading is these people have rigid attitudes about gender. Tend to be more traditional. Lots of shame. Don't feel they measure up. They can't handle looking bad or less than or not being able to support the family.

They don't cope well with a spouse they feel they're losing control of.

I read an article recently about rape and sexual assault and how much of that stems from deep, misogynistic shame in the perpetrators. They have skewed attitudes about masculinity and manhood and thus feel deep shame when they don't feel they measure up. So they take it out on women via rape.

It's similar here. These are typically inneffectual, maybe secretly insecure men who can't cope with rejection or what they feel is failure.

They're defective. What can I say.

Of course it's all conjecture right now. Did he kill them to be free of debt and to be with someone else? Did he kill them to "spare" them the indignity of having to live in debt?

Did he intend to kill himself but chickened out like the coward he is?

Did he decide to kill them all because he became insensible with desperate, narcissistic rage at the thought of losing control and having them leave?

I think the last one is going to be more likely for men with annihilating, possibly personality disordered mothers.

I think these types really veer between either psychopathic creeps who want a "free" and "better" life, like scott Peterson and Chris Coleman, and narcissistic losers who are incapable of coping with failure or loss.

Look at this beauty:

Shanann Watts
 
There are some criminals I feel should kill themselves. In this case, I want him to go through a trial and get life in prison. I don't want the DP because I don't want any of their family members to go through appeals for decades to come. I want them to be able to completely forget about him. I think if he kills himself, he gets off too easy and doesn't have to face the brutality he committed.
 
If he has no wife or children, he is free to date and behave as a single man. Getting rid of wife but not children makes him a single dad with a bunch of responsibilities. Whereas with no wife or kids, he can do whatever he wants and date whoever he wants. That'd be my guess.


But if you know you hate your wife, you just assume after you kill her your kids will go to a set a grandparents and still have a life.
 
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