Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *Case dismissed w/o prejudice* #108

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Ha, then how to write a statement when you’re not guilty! :
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I'm way behind, trying to catch up, but just gotta say that I'm extremely pleased (for lack of a better term in this) and blurted an audible "YES!" as I read the words where Melinda specified the 'fateful day' as being the 9th of May (rather than 10th of May).
Subtle and powerful.
I want to see more statements from Melinda.
She is so lovely and eloquent.

imo
 

I just hope he wasn’t such a coward that he tranquilizer her and then buried her alive. But some part of me can see him rationalizing this in some way and thinking he didn’t kill her but left her alive….albeit 3 feet underground.
Thanks for the map!
It's got to be black out dark out there at night. No one would notice a vehicle off the road out there while driving. And middle of night during covid...I doubt anyone drove by.
no wonder other remains are out there.
 
Maybe I am missing something or not understanding but I've seen this a few times from commentators..why does everyone think that DNA in her car is so important and like this defense attorney says "doesn't help prosecution". How do they think it ties into her murder? Are they just not really following the case from the beginning? Personally I think its irrelevant.. If she got "kidnapped" while riding her bike..there would be no reason for the killer to find his way back to her house and into her car searching for something. Her credit cards were left in the car (according to the AA)
BBM

IMO, because the Defense Attorney IE was grasping at straws, trying to bring up unrelated things that would distract from the real evidence. It will be interesting to see if IE continues to put her reputation on the line by defending him. It will also be interesting to see if all of Barry's money is gone and she takes this on Pro-Bono.

Hopefully Barry is recharged in the 12th District with a fresh new Judge, Prosecutor and Review of Evidence.

JMO

#JusticeForSuzanne
 
SBM

IMO the husband is always the #1 suspect whether there is any good reason for it or not.
In this case there was a very good reason, but we know that.

If he had an alibi, he would have been put on the back burner. Of course when they checked it, it was easily one of the most damning parts of this case.

I think there was something like a dozen proven lies concerning that aspect alone, and that’s just in Broomfield.

It should have been pristine…
 
Any time someone brings up that DNA, I want to throw something. I say this because if they understood the reality, they wouldn’t mention it at all.

A partial profile so degraded that it couldn’t be entered into CODIs without performing a “keyboard search,” which is a manual process. CODIS only has criminals, so you’re bound to find a few matches when you’re only looking at a small sequence. It had almost certainly been there a while.

Not to mention the location of the DNA, which fits into no scenario. Sure was nice of the offender to reach into the car, touch the dash, take nothing (cash, credit cards), and then leave.

That’s the downside of how sensitive this technology now is.
I am with you @MassGuy.. That DNA fits into no scenario with her murder.
 
I too hope that her marrow channels might have evidence of the anesthesia. But it's a maybe (many reasons). And...I'm doubtful about the bugs getting enough of that chemical to help out - but I would be happy to eat my words. You have just outlined the only two ways I think they can get to a cause of death if he used deer anesthesia. Deer anesthesia can cause anaphylactic shock in humans - but as of right now, determining that someone now 3 years dead, died of anaphylaxis is very very difficult.

Her lower jaw is intact. Dental records only require that lower (or the upper) jaw. I would hope that her skull was in only two pieces - it's hard for animals to do much with it. Her chemo port could have just be lying on the ground. I do not think her "chest was intact" after 3 years, personally. The remains are described as "scattered." There are no muscles, tendons or ligaments left to hold the torso together - but unless animals have stolen them, the bones should all be there (but carrion birds probably took off with some - although a 3 foot deep grave might have fended them off - depends on the soil and what else the murderer did to conceal her - some rocks would keep her 3 feet deep and away from the carrion birds.

I was taught that most perpetrators are brought down by their over-estimation of their own intelligence. They aren't stupid (antisocial personality types are usually slightly higher than the average population in IQ) but arrogance is their Achilles' heel. This is true of students, as well. The bright students don't cheat, because they are aware they will be caught by their (smarter and more knowledgeable professor). It's the next tier that does the Chat GPT nonsense.

I totally agree with your last sentence. And I take some satisfaction in the fact that he has been proven wrong.

IMO.
I was so hoping for a reply as I learn so much from you.
Never realized deer anesthesia caused an anaphylactic reaction in humans. I wonder if BM was aware of that.

Regarding her torso ... I admit that I am just not believing that beautiful SM was just thrown into the dirt without any clothing or being wrapped in a blanket. Can carrion birds dig 3 feet into the ground? I can't find any info.

When dealing with pathologicals, it's often said, "how can they be so stupid"? It's not stupidity, it's their arrogance. Their arrogance often resembles stupidity. We know he did not remove her port. There could be dried blood inside of the canula. I am counting on bone marrow, and praying for there to be fingernails to scrape.

I am kind of blown away at LE's ability to recover her remains and gather the evidence they need before notifying the public. And they are not showing their cards. No wonder Iris is lashing out.
 
Thanks for the map!
It's got to be black out dark out there at night. No one would notice a vehicle off the road out there while driving. And middle of night during covid...I doubt anyone drove by.
no wonder other remains are out there.
I started watching Lost Girls episode one last night.
The journalists were on the main road on Gilgo. Parked the car near a body dump site of one of the women. They were timing how soon headlights arrive to them from their first notice. It was a minute and 15.
That’s NY. I would imagine there was no one for quite a long time on the road where the truck would be parked to bury Suzanne.
 
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It's been said that Suzanne and Barry had not enjoyed a good marriage in over a year and a half before she was murdered. The Prosecution said she'd been in touch with an old friend, JL, for two years.

I tried to find an MSM link, to no avail, since the discovery of her skeleton is prominent in searches. However, Suzanne and Barry had not been communicating by text or phone at all for most of that time.

Suzanne was in love, whatever love is, and wanted to be with JL or to at least have freedom from Barry's strong control. She was not texting with Barry nor was he texting her and not getting a reply. He stayed away from Puma Path for periods of time when she didn't know where he was or what he was doing and she didn't care.

May 6 - “I’m done,” she wrote to her husband. “I could care less what you’re up to and have been for years.”

When informed of Suzanne's desires to end the marriage amicably, he opened the car door while she was driving on a mountain road! Another time when they discussed it, he told her that he would be dying soon. He put a gun to his head in front of her! "Is this what you want?"

He was fighting her every step of the way by emotionally abusing, terrorizing her. In fact, he was one step ahead of her because Barry knew Suzanne better than she knew herself. He took advantage of her ability to be reasonable while attempting to monitor her every activity.

May 9 - Barry set up those deer cams for more than one reason. He may have watched fun times spent in their hot tub. Those deer cams can be monitored offsite from personal cellphones via apps. Did he get a notification of movement in his backyard and saw Suzanne sunbathing? He told Morgan he had to go home to make the wife happy but Barry was curious and became furious on May 9th.
 

I just hope he wasn’t such a coward that he tranquilizer her and then buried her alive. But some part of me can see him rationalizing this in some way and thinking he didn’t kill her but left her alive….albeit 3 feet underground.
I think he tranquilized her, then tranquilized her MORE. I'm waiting to see if there's any sign of trauma to her skeleton.
 
I think he tranquilized her, then tranquilized her MORE. I'm waiting to see if there's any sign of trauma to her skeleton.
If he did that though, I can't imagine he'd have scratches. I think he tranquilized her and she got away, or maybe he missed. In any event, she appears to have made it to the bedroom, as the door was cracked. Normally a cracked door wouldn't be a big deal, but Barry said he didn't even know about it. There's just no way, as they would have closed that door at night, and you can't miss it. So he hits her with the tranq, she makes it to the bedroom, he forces his way in, and he strangles or smothers her while she attempts to defend herself, scratching him.
 
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Just some thoughts - we here are all well aware of the story of Suzanne's life, with its joys and sorrows, its loves and its final tragedy. But of course there is a parallel life story, Barry's. His story could have been so different to what it was/is. He had many gifts - looks, charm, sporting ability, a college education, a beautiful wife and daughters, success in his chosen profession, and plenty of this world's goods. He should have been the happiest and nicest man alive. But his personality has been his undoing, his selfishness, his arrogance, his jealousy, his cruelty. Yes, a lot of our personality is not our fault, but by middle age we should know our defects, and be working on rectifying them. It is quite possible to lessen one's character faults, and surely he has heard many sermons about this in church? I have very little sympathy for Barry and his problems and his present predicament, which is likely to get much worse. But his story is also a tragedy.
 
I was so hoping for a reply as I learn so much from you.
Never realized deer anesthesia caused an anaphylactic reaction in humans. I wonder if BM was aware of that.

Regarding her torso ... I admit that I am just not believing that beautiful SM was just thrown into the dirt without any clothing or being wrapped in a blanket. Can carrion birds dig 3 feet into the ground? I can't find any info.

When dealing with pathologicals, it's often said, "how can they be so stupid"? It's not stupidity, it's their arrogance. Their arrogance often resembles stupidity. We know he did not remove her port. There could be dried blood inside of the canula. I am counting on bone marrow, and praying for there to be fingernails to scrape.

I am kind of blown away at LE's ability to recover her remains and gather the evidence they need before notifying the public. And they are not showing their cards. No wonder Iris is lashing out.
Any anesthesia can cause anaphylaxis in humans (and other mammals). However, the ones used on humans were and are tested in primate models, then eventually humans. Derr anesthesia is designed for a different biology so the likelihood is higher of an allergic reaction (esp the part about not tested on humans).

And I just read that an average dart could bring down deer ranging in size from 120 to 500 pounds. The dart user has to make rough judgments about whether one dart is needed, or two, or three…

So, in this case, we have an amateur anesthesiologist with inability to closely regulate dosage.
 
CODIS only has criminals, so you’re bound to find a few matches when you’re only looking at a small sequence. It had almost certainly been there a while.


Small correction:

The CODIS software contains multiple different databases depending on the type of information being searched against. Examples of these databases include, missing persons, convicted offenders, and forensic samples collected from crime scenes. Each state, and the federal system, has different laws for collection, upload, and analysis of information contained within their database. However, for privacy reasons, the CODIS database does not contain any personal identifying information, such as the name associated with the DNA profile. The uploading agency is notified of any hits to their samples and are tasked with the dissemination of personal information pursuant to their laws.


So it doesn't just contain criminal DNA.
 
If he did that though, I can't imagine he'd have scratches. I think he tranquilized her and she got away, or maybe he missed. In any event, she appears to have made it to the bedroom, as the door was cracked. Normally a cracked door wouldn't be a big deal, but Barry said he didn't even know about it. There's just no way, as they would have closed that door at night, and you can't miss it. So he hits her with the tranq, she makes it to the bedroom, he forces his way in, and he strangles or smothers her while she attempts to defend herself, scratching him.
Maybe she fought at the onset, the beginning of the attack. He may have pre-meditated this murder, long before he actually carried out his plan. He waited for the timing to be right. I think he was waiting for the opportunity. For me, this is all about the money. Did he receive an insurance payout? Are his daughters lives currently insured? These are my questions, because up until a week ago, he thought he got away with murder.
 
Any time someone brings up that DNA, I want to throw something. I say this because if they understood the reality, they wouldn’t mention it at all.

A partial profile so degraded that it couldn’t be entered into CODIs without performing a “keyboard search,” which is a manual process. CODIS only has criminals, so you’re bound to find a few matches when you’re only looking at a small sequence. It had almost certainly been there a while.

Not to mention the location of the DNA, which fits into no scenario. Sure was nice of the offender to reach into the car, touch the dash, take nothing (cash, credit cards), and then leave.

That’s the downside of how sensitive this technology now is.

@MassGuy, I don't remember all the details, but it seemed to me that in initial articles about the case, there was no mentioning of the "partial profile". It was a "partial match". Which might mean exactly what it says, "not a full match". 50% with each parent, approximately 25% between aunt/niece or grandma/grandchild, 12.5% between cousins, 6.26% between 1C1R, etc. So whoever left the DNA might have had a second cousin in CODIS. Which means nothing.

Recent articles use the word "linked" which is mystifying, but senseless. "LIinked" doesn’t tell us whether it is a "partial match" or a "partial DNA".

Partial DNA means, essentially "pieces of DNA with holes between them". If it is a 100% match between those pieces and someone in CODIS, it is impossible to interpret. No one knows what full DNA would have shown. But if it is a "partial match" between "partial DNA" and someone in CODIS, that means only one thing. That for sure, for sure it is not the same person. (Because some genes on this partial DNA are "foreign" to their CODIS match).

So - are you absolutely sure they said, "partial DNA"?
 
IMO, this is the Denver Gazette reporter backtracking.

First, CBI NEVER said there was any connection.

Second, I think Carol is slipping when she fails to vet comments from the likes of IE -- known to share her very own version of the truth. And I also think the "2nd set of remains found at the same time" came directly from IE, and is false, and the Denver Gazette reported this. JMO

Hey Carol -- you were punked!

Yes!

IE simply indulged in wild speculation based on no evidence. She has no idea what investigators have recovered.
 
Any anesthesia can cause anaphylaxis in humans (and other mammals). However, the ones used on humans were and are tested in primate models, then eventually humans. Derr anesthesia is designed for a different biology so the likelihood is higher of an allergic reaction (esp the part about not tested on humans).

And I just read that an average dart could bring down deer ranging in size from 120 to 500 pounds. The dart user has to make rough judgments about whether one dart is needed, or two, or three…

So, in this case, we have an amateur anesthesiologist with inability to closely regulate dosage.

I don't even know what they use in deer darts. Could be something like Clonidine which can cause sedation and lower blood pressure. Nothing horrible, only deer doses should be way higher than human ones. Could be ketamine, dissociative anesthetic - again, the biggest issue that deer weighs way more than a human so in either case, SM would be ODed. Consider that she was finishing chemotherapy and probably, with all her biking, not super strong.
 
@MassGuy, I don't remember all the details, but it seemed to me that in initial articles about the case, there was no mentioning of the "partial profile". It was a "partial match". Which might mean exactly what it says, "not a full match". 50% with each parent, approximately 25% between aunt/niece or grandma/grandchild, 12.5% between cousins, 6.26% between 1C1R, etc. So whoever left the DNA might have had a second cousin in CODIS. Which means nothing.

Recent articles use the word "linked" which is mystifying, but senseless. "LIinked" doesn’t tell us whether it is a "partial match" or a "partial DNA".

Partial DNA means, essentially "pieces of DNA with holes between them". If it is a 100% match between those pieces and someone in CODIS, it is impossible to interpret. No one knows what full DNA would have shown. But if it is a "partial match" between "partial DNA" and someone in CODIS, that means only one thing. That for sure, for sure it is not the same person. (Because some genes on this partial DNA are "foreign" to their CODIS match).

So - are you absolutely sure they said, "partial DNA"?
Yup. There was more on this too, at a later hearing.

The partial DNA profile developed from the glovebox DNA matched with profiles developed in unsolved sexual assault cases in Chicago, Pheonix and Tempe, CBI Agent Joseph Cahill confirmed during questioning by Barry Morphew’s defense attorney Iris Eytan.
 
They do that because they are NOT finished. For example, as an anthropologist, I am sometimes asked to visit a particular scene. I can't just drop what I'm doing, to do that. I have given affidavits and professional opinions in several cases (not hundreds, but certainly more than a dozen). I cannot possibly arrive at any crime scene without several days notice. Most consultants have day jobs, often doing academic research. Indeed, any "expert" who isn't also publishing and working in an academic capacity is a bit suspicious to me.

The soil analysis alone (there are maybe 5 different types of experts for that) will require the experts to know where the crime scene is.

If I were in charge of such an investigation, I'd have several crime scene photographers come out (that's how I started in forensics - as a crime scene photographer, and I wasn't particularly good at it, not even after a year of doing, at which point I quit - the job had really high turnover, to say the least). The guy before me became a sheriff's deputy, because it was less emotionally difficult than being a crime scene photographer.

Really good close-up pictures of soil could be ordered by a geologist. A geologist might be asked to come out. MANY different things. The tape is there to warn the public not to go into the crime scene (everyone knows that these days, that might not work - but hopefully, any good journalist will know not to mess with the crime scene).

Certain parts of this crime scene will be investigated fully, as with any murder victim. There will be layers of pollen and dirt on the grave that are distinct from what's on the body (this does little to find a suspect, but it will make it clear WHEN Suzanne was put there - if that becomes an issue at trial). I predict that even the Defense will be willing to stipulate that Suzanne was placed there in May, 2020. While we may never hear about it at trial, that work does get done in the background, obviously. Just in case.

IMO.
Interesting Rods appreciate your insights.
Are you surprised the area wasn't sealed off waiting for the CBI to come?

There were all sorts of clever sleuths and reporters out there trotting around in the soil and brush.:mad:
 
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