swedeheart
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Sometimes in badservice areas I’m able to text sms but not make calls. So I will text if I can’t make or receive calls.If those satellites do not provide service, IMO the only remaining way for either of them to be able to communicate from that house reliably would be for each to have a satellite phone.
Something has to connect Suzanne up with her friend and with her sister.
Good afternoon. I have a question. I have seen previous posts that some AA info may be redacted when it is released. Who makes the request/call on what info is redacted? Thanks in advance.
I followed this link, downloaded the Webex app, signed in, and joined, and boom. I was in the courtroom.
Colorado Judicial Branch
IANAL but the AA’s I’ve seen in most cases I’ve followed typically black out or redact personal information about any witnesses or victims, especially minors, such as phone number, address, date of birth etc. Sometimes names and social security numbers to protect privacy.Good afternoon. I have a question. I have seen previous posts that some AA info may be redacted when it is released. Who makes the request/call on what info is redacted? Thanks in advance.
I am curious also. I assumed the prosecutors office did the redactions and the judge reviews.IANAL but the AA’s I’ve seen in most cases I’ve followed typically black out or redact personal information about any witnesses or victims, especially minors, such as phone number, address, date of birth etc. Sometimes names and social security numbers to protect privacy.
Keep in mind that the AA ( arrest affidavit) is the document written up by LE to present to a Judge showing there is probable cause for an arrest warrant to be issued. It won’t contain all the evidence.
The AA for Letecia Stauch is 32 pages. The one for Patrick Frazee was 12 pages and as you can see the only redaction is the name of the victim, KB’s infant daughter.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf
I’m not sure who gets to decide what information can be redacted.
@Seattle1 probably knows much more IMO.
Thanks @swedeheart I’m anxious to hear more from SMs sister, MM. I don’t think she’ll go into a lot more detail though about the message SM sent her the Friday before she disappeared. Speculation: MM’s text from SM could have been the “probable cause” for Puma Path search warrant. Her testimony I’m hoping will be one of the first testimonies in the trial. MOOThis evening (in 6 hours):
Thank you @24Brix One of the things that makes WS great is the varied backgrounds of each member!Sorry for the long post but this might help some folks understand some telecom concepts with getting too deep into the weeds.(If anyone wants to discuss the technical stuff further than this post, we should probably start a small group for that purpose so that we don’t derail the thread.)
As I posted a couple of threads back, the Colorado state government’s broadband map suggests the the west end of Puma Path was not served by wired broadband — fiber, cable, or DSL. (See the link and screen cap below.) Assuming their data is up to date, and I believe it is, that leaves wireless broadband — cellular, satellite, and “fixed wireless” for PP.
Public Broadband Map
Based on my 30 years working as a sales engineer for a broadband satellite company that also offered wireline services to enterprises, small businesses, and consumers (and thanks to that helicopter video that someone recently percolated back to the top showing antennas on the garage roof) I suspect Puma Path was probably being served with a combination of satellite and cellular. Satellite for broadband internet access and DTH (direct-to-home) TV, cellular for voice and SMS — “classic” texting between cell phones — both of which tend to work fairly well even when the cellular signal is sub-par.
It’s important to understand that all of these technologies — fiber, cable, DSL, T1, cellular, satellite, and fixed wireless, are nothing more than pipes to move data from Point A to Point B — where Point A is a home or business and Point B is an ISP (Internet Service Provider). The ISP is the connection point to the rest of the Internet and all the service offerings and destinations it contains. It’s the “on-ramp” that connects you to web sites, email services, cloud data storage, streaming audio and video, and obviously so much more. Collectively, people call it all the Internet, the web, or the cloud although there are lots of subtle and not so subtle distinctions, in fact. All of these technologies use a router, a modem, or a combination of the two to allow your devices — phones, PC’s, security cameras, smart TV’s, etc. — to access the data pipe to the ISP.
The term “Wi-Fi” is generally understood to mean something else entirely. Wi-Fi is still a wireless pipe for data but it connects between your wireless-enabled devices and the modem/router at your home or business so that those devices don’t have to be physically wired to the modem/router to access the broadband pipe to the internet. The typical distance limit for this kind of wireless connection about 300 feet.
PP probably had a Wi-Fi network connecting devices around the home and property to a Hughes or ViaSat satellite modem/router. This would give them more than adequate broadband internet access for basic internet activity — email, web browsing, Amazon, etc. Even (to a degree) to things like YouTube and Netflix. But unless you’re a large enterprise, satellite tends to be less friendly (in general) to transmit-intensive things like security video, sending a decent Zoom video from your camera, very large file uploads, etc. There are caps and high costs associated with that kind of traffic for reasons I won’t go into here.
Of course, we can’t know for certain what their set-up looked like given what’s been released so far. So this is purely my conjecture based on experience with sites in similar areas and circumstances. When we see the AA and start to see the SW’s, etc., we’ll have a much better picture.
Rest assured though that no matter the technology or service provider, the log files at both ends of all those devices, connections, and service offerings will paint a telling tale. I predict it won’t be a flattering one.
Oh! And a side note regarding terminology, lol. Those things on the roof are parabolic satellite antennas — more commonly referred to as just “antennas” or “dishes”. They point at different satellites in geostationary orbit and affectionately known within the industry as “birds”. I see one that looks to be for internet and another that looks like it’s for TV. I think there’s a third but I’m not sure what it is. Since the satellite companies own or rent space on different satellites parked at different positions in the sky, many businesses and residences will leave a deactivated dish or two installed . Because if you switch service providers you switch hardware too. Kind of like if you switch cell phone carriers you often need a new phone and may be connecting via different towers than before. It pays to leave the old dish installed and pointed in case you ever want to switch back.
MOO. And apologies again for the length. But now it’s so...simple?![]()
Sorry for the long post but this might help some folks understand some telecom concepts with getting too deep into the weeds.(If anyone wants to discuss the technical stuff further than this post, we should probably start a small group for that purpose so that we don’t derail the thread.)
As I posted a couple of threads back, the Colorado state government’s broadband map suggests the the west end of Puma Path was not served by wired broadband — fiber, cable, or DSL. (See the link and screen cap below.) Assuming their data is up to date, and I believe it is, that leaves wireless broadband — cellular, satellite, and “fixed wireless” for PP.
Public Broadband Map
Based on my 30 years working as a sales engineer for a broadband satellite company that also offered wireline services to enterprises, small businesses, and consumers (and thanks to that helicopter video that someone recently percolated back to the top showing antennas on the garage roof) I suspect Puma Path was probably being served with a combination of satellite and cellular. Satellite for broadband internet access and DTH (direct-to-home) TV, cellular for voice and SMS — “classic” texting between cell phones — both of which tend to work fairly well even when the cellular signal is sub-par.
It’s important to understand that all of these technologies — fiber, cable, DSL, T1, cellular, satellite, and fixed wireless, are nothing more than pipes to move data from Point A to Point B — where Point A is a home or business and Point B is an ISP (Internet Service Provider). The ISP is the connection point to the rest of the Internet and all the service offerings and destinations it contains. It’s the “on-ramp” that connects you to web sites, email services, cloud data storage, streaming audio and video, and obviously so much more. Collectively, people call it all the Internet, the web, or the cloud although there are lots of subtle and not so subtle distinctions, in fact. All of these technologies use a router, a modem, or a combination of the two to allow your devices — phones, PC’s, security cameras, smart TV’s, etc. — to access the data pipe to the ISP.
The term “Wi-Fi” is generally understood to mean something else entirely. Wi-Fi is still a wireless pipe for data but it connects between your wireless-enabled devices and the modem/router at your home or business so that those devices don’t have to be physically wired to the modem/router to access the broadband pipe to the internet. The typical distance limit for this kind of wireless connection about 300 feet.
PP probably had a Wi-Fi network connecting devices around the home and property to a Hughes or ViaSat satellite modem/router. This would give them more than adequate broadband internet access for basic internet activity — email, web browsing, Amazon, etc. Even (to a degree) to things like YouTube and Netflix. But unless you’re a large enterprise, satellite tends to be less friendly (in general) to transmit-intensive things like security video, sending a decent Zoom video from your camera, very large file uploads, etc. There are caps and high costs associated with that kind of traffic for reasons I won’t go into here.
Of course, we can’t know for certain what their set-up looked like given what’s been released so far. So this is purely my conjecture based on experience with sites in similar areas and circumstances. When we see the AA and start to see the SW’s, etc., we’ll have a much better picture.
Rest assured though that no matter the technology or service provider, the log files at both ends of all those devices, connections, and service offerings will paint a telling tale. I predict it won’t be a flattering one.
Oh! And a side note regarding terminology, lol. Those things on the roof are parabolic satellite antennas — more commonly referred to as just “antennas” or “dishes”. They point at different satellites in geostationary orbit and affectionately known within the industry as “birds”. I see one that looks to be for internet and another that looks like it’s for TV. I think there’s a third but I’m not sure what it is. Since the satellite companies own or rent space on different satellites parked at different positions in the sky, many businesses and residences will leave a deactivated dish or two installed . Because if you switch service providers you switch hardware too. Kind of like if you switch cell phone carriers you often need a new phone and may be connecting via different towers than before. It pays to leave the old dish installed and pointed in case you ever want to switch back.
MOO. And apologies again for the length. But now it’s so...simple?![]()
I followed this link, downloaded the Webex app, signed in, and joined, and boom. I was in the courtroom.
Colorado Judicial Branch
I'm wondering how this works from a desktop computer?
I tried to login but all I got was some prompt about audio and a warning about no video.
I'd like to get this sorted before tomorrow's hearing.
I'm curious, did you login with your phone?
I downloaded the app to my phone first. Then I followed Seattle1's directions and boom, like you, I was in the courtroom. I just did this and there was something going on in court, but I didn't stick around.
It's easier than I thought it would be, but that doesn't mean I won't have a problem with it tomorrow.![]()
I was hoping to avoid using my phone for it, but I just tried it the way you suggested and boom, I was in. I have to confess, it sort of creeped me out, lol.I downloaded the app on my phone first, then I followed Seattle1's directions and I was in the courtroom and I could hear what was going on.
I can't understand the decision to live there, if I am a business owner (!!) and father of 2 teenage girls and a wife, who is ill with cancer - wonderful mountains or not. For me it doesn't make sense. It even doesn't make sense for me, to have this expensive home for renting it out sometime. These days, who does want to spend their vacation there, if totally isolated at least as far as data exchange is concerned?I used to live 45 miles from the PP home and had satellite tv, which worked fine, but had satellite internet and it was the worst. My cell service was also pretty horrible. One of the worst days of my life was getting a call from Africa that my best friend had passed but couldn’t really even hear or communicate what had happened. Anyway from the different reports I have a feeling that the PP has a similar issue, that outside communication is hard and unreliable but to many people the trade off to live in such a beautiful place is worth it. MOO