CO - Tim Watkins, 61, shot to death, Mount Herman, 14 Sept 2017 #1

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kc1023 said:
His janky legs in that perp walk sure do look like BG's janky legs to me MOO
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Woah. That is a very distinct gait! Do we have moving video with subsequent frames from BG?


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NJcares said:
Woah. That is a very distinct gait! Do we have moving video with subsequent frames from BG?


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I think the only frames put together are the one or two stills

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Daey34 said:
Stole this from shire in the Delphi thread.

Tim's body was found in a shallow grave...so NO to accidental. Which we already knew.

The judge lifted an order prohibiting LE from speaking to DN without his attorney present.

https://m.gazette.com/article/1618455?TC_SC_REF
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I just posted in the girls' thread, so won't repeat myself here except to say again there are some interesting tidbits in that article.
 
NJcares said:
Woah. That is a very distinct gait! Do we have moving video with subsequent frames from BG?


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Only what is pieced together from the still pics, so it's not a fluid movement as if he were actually walking. I don't understand why LE can release a couple stills from the video but not that very small part of the video that the stills came from. It might be only a few seconds of him moving but at least we could see him walk. Unless it's because Abby is right there, but there must be a way to edit that out in software?
 
emptybottles said:
PTSD... LOL yeah sure.

I ignored rumors and had a lot of respect for Dan Mays until this case. But I guess Dan Mays, the highest paid $215,000/yr DA in Colorado, does not even care that DN committed perjury in court today right in front of his eyes.

"Shortly after the family arrived, thieves broke into their car and stole his wallet and cash, stranding his family in the Pikes Peak region, Nations told the judge." http://gazette.com/plea-deal-nets-p...nt-herman-hatchet-threat-case/article/1618455

DN checked out of the hotel in Greenwood, IN on May 12th,
On May 16th IN DENVER, KN posts on FB, "the money we had saved was stolen during the trip."
"we are IN DENVER and have been trying to find work".

On June 4th, KN makes another posts as a review on a tattoo shop IN DENVER.

They never had any money saved much less had it stolen in the "Pikes Peak region". They were running from the law! Hey Dan! DENVER is 75 miles north of Colorado Springs. They were "hiding" in the forest because he was not a registered sex offender. Did you even investigate this case? A 17.5% pay raise in 2016. 27% pay raise in 2013. This is what we get?

No guys. It became clear after the first court delay and not "filing additional charges" even though they had "evidence", what was really going on.

The DA is not waiting on DNA tests, nor do they have ballistics, nor do they have cell phone logs, nor do they even care what the public thinks unless an election is near.

Unfortunately it looks like Dan Mays is more crony politician than criminal prosecuting attorney and the el paso county sheriff's office has become a clown show under the new leadership of Bill Elder. https://dirtyelder.com/articles/
(Conspiracy for all you who love such things; Could it be that DN has ties to the 211 Crew in Colorado prisons via his ties to the Saxon Knights in Indiana and they have threatened Dan May with assassination if he prosecutes DN? Or, did DN's plea bargain involve information regarding the assassination of a Denver DA with a similar name to Dan Mays? or to the Tom Clemins assassination? Is DN a mole, a snitch? read this and think about it. https://dirtyelder.com/articles/clements1/ )

There were eye witnesses testifying against DN. Why would you plea bargain a case with witnesses and evidence? and let him walk out of jail. It makes zero sense.

Anyway, just goes to show no matter how much money you throw at a government agency, unless the crony culture changes, you're just throwing money down the toilet. I really hate to say it but I believe the only reason the court records have been sealed is to cover up the incompetence, or corruption, at the top of the sheriffs office in this investigation. I feel sorry for the grunts on bottom. I really do.

Don't believe me? read on.
Another person who was a friend of a friend, killed shortly after TW was killed due to the incompetence within the el paso county sheriffs office.
http://gazette.com/killer-on-the-ro...-ellicott-teacher-and-himself/article/1617662

You have to wonder if TW would still be alive today had the el paso county sheriff notified trail users in the Mt Herman area that someone was running around with a hatchet. Nothing. No PSA. No reaching out to trail groups. No blotter reports to the Gazette. They knew someone was out there and they said nothing. They hid it just like they are hiding the court documents.

And I bet if someone put those cell phone logs on my desk Monday morning I could tell you who was near TW on Sept 13th at 11 am by the end of the week. It's not that difficult.

So be careful out there guys! Lesson learned here. Always remember that there's nobody backing you up, especially in el paso county. Nice ranting with you and thanks for putting up with me. The show is over until he kills again. And I'm afraid he will....

Time to go lock and load. Heard there's a killer walking around town. Signing off.
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I read a lot of the links (not all, but most). I was halfway through and thought 'this sounds like Chicago politics', which is pretty sad for a place like CO. I have to admit, after reading and then seeing Jax's youtube link that a detective isn't happy with DN's sentence, it does make me wonder even more about this situation (pile that on top of wondering how he slipped through cracks in IN). If the guy can't manage to keep his SO registry current it's hard to envision him keeping up with his probation check-ins. Or if he doesn't get his "babies" back, what kind of reaction that will trigger. It's a frightening thought.

I guess it remains to be seen how all this ultimately plays out, but something sure seems fishy and I don't believe this is the last we will be seeing of DN's crimes. Mostly I just wanted to say it's easy to understand the locals' frustration and even outrage about how this whole thing went down.
 
Daey34 said:
Stole this from shire in the Delphi thread.

Tim's body was found in a shallow grave...so NO to accidental. Which we already knew.

The judge lifted an order prohibiting LE from speaking to DN without his attorney present.

https://m.gazette.com/article/1618455?TC_SC_REF
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How long does it take to make a shallow grave? And presumably would require shovel or similar?


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Reacher said:
I think the only frames put together are the one or two stills

IMHO
KR
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There are three stills put together in the Delphi image thread to look like a moving image. I have just located it and posted a link on the main Delphi thread for comparison purposes for any one interested. (Link to Delphi thread is at top of the page currently)

It's taken me ages looking for it. :waiting:
 
Shiressleuth said:
There are three stills put together in the Delphi image thread to look like a moving image. I have just located it and posted a link on the main Delphi thread for comparison purposes for any one interested. (Link to Delphi thread is at top of the page currently)

It's taken me ages looking for it. :waiting:
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Glad you found it, lol. I kept getting distracted by "hair", puppies, people hiding in trees, etc.

ETA: I shouldn't laugh, pretty sure I made some rather outlandish suggestions myself.
 
This is an old pic of DN from behind. Notice his shoulders and the boots.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Hcos5

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kizzykat said:
Only what is pieced together from the still pics, so it's not a fluid movement as if he were actually walking. I don't understand why LE can release a couple stills from the video but not that very small part of the video that the stills came from. It might be only a few seconds of him moving but at least we could see him walk. Unless it's because Abby is right there, but there must be a way to edit that out in software?
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Jax49 said:
Glad you found it, lol. I kept getting distracted by "hair", puppies, people hiding in trees, etc.

ETA: I shouldn't laugh, pretty sure I made some rather outlandish suggestions myself.
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That's why it took me a while. It's entertaining but useful stuff. The animal hats and lots of other stuff crack me up.
(For anyone interested the BG image thread is on page 1 of the Delphi thread)
 
Has anyone found info on DN's probation requirements in Colorado? How frequently does he have to check in, for instance?

IIRC, the requirements in Indiana were more stringent when he was homeless.

moo
 
Look at the pic I posted above. As well as the pic of him keying the Jeep Cherokee. He always walks like that. He has a weird walk.

Steleheart said:
Anyone with leg shackles is going to walk like that IMO.
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Jax49 said:
Has anyone found info on DN's probation requirements in Colorado? How frequently does he have to check in, for instance?

IIRC, the requirements in Indiana were more stringent when he was homeless.

moo
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And what is supervised probation? Is there UNsupervised?
 
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