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To everyone else, please remember this is just a theory and is in VERY rough form. I was jumping up and down to put it up for you all so it needs some dates/times/order of things changes and corrections. I may be completely off on some of it so help me out OK?
This is a whole different way of thinking of it that fits - need links and references to interviews with LE, etc. Got your guns loaded? Shoot some holes in it please - that's what makes theories viable or not. Long so get your eyedrops out!Thanks!
This theory is so good I think that the anti-Anthony-case hubby even gave me the green light to spend whatever time I need doing this tonight so Ready, Set, GO:
CA and KC fight with choking thing on 8th or 9th. Thats why the date stands out in everyones mind.
KC and Caylee start sleeping every night at RMs because that is the only place she knows that she can stay that somebody doesnt mind a kid around.
My bad on the Amy texts, I was confused and thought they were from KC to AH but it was the other way around. Forget about this.
Night of the 14th, CA at sometime calls KC and tells her she wants to take Caylee to the great grandpas for Fathers Day. CA had to, in essence, crawl back to Casey whom she was mad at for whatever caused the big fight only a few days before (prob. Money). Caylee is KCs control over CA and CA hates that because SHE is the control freak. Anyway, CA probably says Ill be over early in the morning to get her. This explains RM not understanding where Caylee went she was there when they went to bed and gone when he woke up.
KC starts to date TL. He doesnt want a kid around either. KC doesnt want to go home she wants to make mom mad and control her by punishing her for choking KC.
KC starts to drug Caylee and keep her in the trunk. Maybe a makeshift bed? Backseat folds down on one side for air, crack a window, etc. Dont know what drug or chloroform, I dont care, doesnt matter that isnt what I think killed Caylee.
She goes outside when she is on the phone says TL in his statement right? All she has to do is open the back door to her car to check on Caylee. Its not that hot at night.
During the days she 1) Goes home 2) cooks or whatever at TLs 3)hangs at the church 4) hangs at Amys , etc. The night or two that she stayed at Amys with no Caylee either of 2 things has happened 1) she is sick of this kid always having to sleep with her so far in her life and its nice to not have to worry about her so she drugged her again in the trunk bed thing she made or 2)she over did it a bit on the drugging and cant get Caylee awake enough to bring her in so she leaves her.
Out partying? Trunk bed. Date with TL? Trunk bed. Etc
She does this trunk bed thing so much that she over does it with Caylee and the baby just wont wake up. But SHES NOT DEAD.
So much time in trunk and Caylee has accidents and maybe even vomits on her dolls dress too. It smells. I must have run over something with my car / squirrel story.
Runs out of gas at Amscot. Knows its hot. Daytime. JG cant help. Amy doesnt answer. Oh crap! What do I do? Cant call TL with Caylee with me half drugged, eventually he will notice that she never wakes up! I can leave her and check on her until I get a gas can. Take drivers license, keys, phone etc. Leave purse so I have excuse to go back if friend can drive me. Undress Caylee from backseat so no one notices me in my trunk for a long time and maybe wont smell that smell. Take off dolls dress too. Throw all in dumpster or wherever. They havent even found her clothes. Do some sort of quick clean on trunk. Text Amy got rid of that smell. Splattered under car or whatever it is she said.
TL picks up KC on 27th. 2.6 days later, car is towed right? Doesnt smell bad or like death or anything that a guy with a cold would notice. OR
Car sits for 3 days, people undoubtedly go by it at some time, no smell because CAYLEE IS STILL ALIVE.
Spend the whole weekend trying desperately to find someone with a gas can and gas so I can get my car back and my daughter. Call JG, Call Amy, repeatedly ask TL if he has one but he says dont worry about it, Ill just drive you wherever. (made that part up)
Somewhere in here they go to As to steal cans but lock on shed or they are empty or not enough gas, dont know. Borrow shovel to try to break shed lock at some point too (before out of gas at Amscot but the Friday before)but it doesnt work. Desperation for gas because cant leave Caylee in the trunk or someone will find out. Carrying cans in car week before Amscot gives her opportunity to possibly steal gas from others??? Not sure here.
Finally Amy takes her to buy can and gas. Return to Amscot car towed. Oh crap! What now? Friends all think that sucks but have no idea how much. Tow truck driver doesnt smell anything because 1) he has a cold? Maybe? More on that later 2) Caylee ISNT DEAD YET. Its the 30th. ??
Why, if you want your car stolen or towed, do you try so hard to get gas and a can from your friends?
Spends all time thinking of how to find out where car was towed to, how to get to it, panic sets in. Parties to relieve stress? Strange but this whole case is so who knows. Could call LA or GA maybe and tell the truth so he can think of an idea of how to get Caylee from that car? This time period is kind of up in the air for me right now too much to figure out right now thats why you all are helping! But I feel that this time period with the FL heat in late June, early July Caylee finally perished. SOB!
Have you ever gotten a certified mail notice in your mailbox or on your door? I have, it ALWAYS says who the sender is. GA and CA see the notice, CA thinks good, she has no car now. I just talked to her and she said Caylee is sleeping so I know they are alright, Ill just let her suffer for a while with no car. Control now goes to CA. CA tells in interview that it was a few days with the holiday in there before GA got to the Post Office to get the letter. He took this stab from her on TV because he had to. More on that later too. CA was probably still mad from KC controlling her over her vacation when she didnt get to see Caylee. At that time KC had the control.
They finally go to get the car. Here I get a little sketchy, several scenarios are possible. GA leaves CA in the office to pay and goes to the car. Smells like death. Now here are possibilities:
o Caylee is still in trunk deceased. GA pays off or bribes tow yard guy and drives away with Caylee in the back.
o Caylee is still in trunk deceased and GA knows it by how strong the stench is but she is hidden in the boot of the car maybe and the tow yard guy doesnt know it?
o The body is already gone because GA or LA somehow got in there to try to rescue Caylee but she had already deceased. Unlikely due to dirt in trunk.
o The body is in a suitcase or bag in the back seat or trunk and tow guy doesnt notice?
Tow guy throws bag with pizza box over fence and GA drives away. Back home, CA says what died? then says its the pizza right George? How did she know about the pizza? The box went over the fence in the bag. You are a nurse, you KNOW what decomp smells like. YOU KNOW what has happened. GA mentioned somewhere that the Arm & Hammer detergent, pizza box, other trash like we have at our house
Someone from their house put that bag in there to disguise the smell and I dont think it was Casey, I think it was GA!
Today the 15th of July is 2.6 days since Caylee died or decomp issue happened. Or the stench in vehicle is worse because the decomp leakage sat there for so long after Caylee was removed.
You are 20 years ex-homicide cop. Your grand daughter has not been heard from in weeks and you smell that smell in her mothers car and YOU DONT CALL THE COPS? You roll the windows down, go home, open the car up and GO TO WORK???
They picked up the car late morning right? So why didnt CA go get KC immediately after they got the car home? She and Amy didnt go get her til around 7PM right? Or even 4PM? What happened in all those hours? GA didnt normally go to work until around 2 or so right? Obviously CA had Amys number because she called her right? Why did she wait so long?
On way home, 911 calls about theft of car and money. Daughter, want to bring her in, yayayaya. No mention of the smell in the car until home again and THIRD call to 911. She already knew of the smell because she asked GA about the pizza thing right? He was at work when she got home with KC so she couldnt have asked him then right? No mention of the smelly car to 911 until THIRD CALL.By now she wants to seal herself in control so she calls with the smells like a dead body was in the damn car. This seals KCs fate. KC is good, but not as fast thinking as mom.
One theory: Body was still in car, came home, CA/GA have hysterical crying jag over dead Caylee then decide its partially their fault because they didnt get the car sooner. CA blames GA for not getting the letter sooner. She tells him to get rid of the body hes the cop who knows how after all. We cant lose our daughter TOO! NO, we cant call police! Casey knows Caylee couldnt possibly be alive any longer CA has control again over KC and GA. Thus the on TV jab that he took about not getting the notice from the Post Office.
GA considered burying in back yard laid it down then reconsidered, gathered some tools/plastic/whatever Rubbermaid tub? Put body in container. Go to work dumping body in whatever way a 20 year homicide detective knows to do to get rid of it forever. Dirt in trunk? Cops give up on finding body because of this
Another theory: LA got in to tow yard or KC or friend and got the body out and got rid of it. I dont think this is the case because of that phone call to home from jail what do you mean you dont know my role in this (Misquote I know thats why you are helping me guys). CA well, you arent telling me where she is sweetheart.. You are CA, you think your grand daughter is DEAD at the hands of your daughter and you call her SWEETHEART???
KC - IM NOT TELLING YOU WHERE SHE IS BECAUSE I DONT F###NG KNOW WHERE SHE IS one of KCs few truths. KCs next thought was probably but you do dont you mom? KC doesnt know because:
o Mom came and got her from TLs oh crap, they got the car and found her body. Im toast.
o Come home, see car, no body WTF? Where is she?
o Bro comes over private conversation she tells him, I knocked her out all the time with Xanex or chloroform but car ran out of gas and got towed. She was alive in the trunk last time I saw her!! Bro knows death smell. Bro figures it out after a few weeks and knows that KC did what she did and parents did what they did and Im outta this mess!!! Thus the disappearance of Lee. Refuses to help cops so CA and GA dont try to throw him under the bus. Stays as far away from case as possible because he knows and doesnt want to be the bad guy who rats out his whole family.
o Mom pops head in door with Lee there and says who took her, who took her? Mom telling Casey in code to go with a kidnapping story. KC runs with it. After all, KC cant tell the cops I drugged my daughter but she was alive in the trunk when the car was towed. She would get the needle for that. CA and GA cant tell that they found the body and dumped it or they go down forever and KC still doesnt get off. Best bet? KC is a liar and keeps mouth shut. No body, no death penalty, not much evidence so good chance of no conviction at all. Play the poor grandparents. Put on a good act. CA sort of gives KC a script to go by. I have never seen any member of the Anthony family cry on TV (except KCs fake tears). Watch again the videos read the body language of GA and CA are these really terrified grandparents? I dont think so. LA is the only one I ever felt looked genuine on TV.
KC really doesnt know where she is because someone else got rid of her. Close means family close, not necessarily physically close.
Cell forensics on GA have never been released. He was called to Grand Jury. He didnt know what was said by others before he got there right? Maybe his story he told them gave them the idea that a conviction was possible. Maybe tow guy cracked and told truth. Doesnt it seem strange that tow guy would go out and crawl around in the dumpster looking for the bag in the middle of the night instead of just calling and waiting for cops by the dumpster?
They never released that visit GA had with KC in jail did they?
CA elbowed GA during interview went to work right?
CA has control now KC has some control too. They are both OK with this but KC doesnt like being the one in jail Im sure. But she sees no way out other than getting off. What she doesnt realize is that she could plea bargain with that info!
KC is an excellent actress where did she learn that? MOM!
LE hasnt arrested GA or CA because 1) not enough evidence 2) they had until today a Criminal Attorney who told them to shut up. Why a criminal attorney when you arent a suspect? Because you committed a criminal act thats why! Attorney thinks hes there for their publicity rights or whatever but how convenient if they get arrested right?
LE released info that would send media and us and all of America on a wild goose chase trying to understand Casey when she is simply the offspring of the real criminal minds.
KCs CALLS are way more important than her texts. May vs late June/early July calls to dad and bro would be super important if we see an increase in calls to either of them.
At some point, KC knows that there is no way Caylee is alive any more and she has to run because they WILL eventually find the body. She works on stealing money left and right and finding an ex-boyfriend who will take her in. She wanted one more day to get out of Dodge. This is why I dont think KC knew the body was gone out of the car until she got home that night.
I think KC thought Caylee died in the trunk at the tow yard and was still there. She didnt know mom and dad had done this until she got home.
If you were KC and your daughter was stuck in the trunk of your car at the tow yard, wouldnt you have found a way to at least get the body out? You wouldnt have been partying, you would have been panicked. She was partying to get closer to people to steal from so she could run!
This theory makes me understand as Baez said, quite a bit. I almost feel sorry in a way for KC because she had to grow up with THAT for a mother and a father who was willing to let it happen. No matter what, I am convinced that KC is the way she is because of her twisted mother sorry didnt want to bash CA but this theory is all about CAs craving for control and KC learning that and trying it. So sad that Caylee is the one who paid the biggest price for both of their egos!
END OF THEORY
Please tear it up and put holes in it thats how we find out how viable a theory is. Add to it, correct it. I know the order of some things is wrong and maybe some dates. This is just a fast as I could do it draft! Also, THIS IS ONLY A THEORY for us to work if you are willing!
Ready, set GO!
