Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#3
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Is there a link available? Can't find one yet. Looking.
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The school had a security protocol that called for the doors to be locked during the day, and visitors had to be checked on a video monitor inside.
“You had to buzz in and out and the whole nine yards,” said a former chairwoman of the Newtown Education Board, Lillian Bittman. “When you buzz, you come up on our screen.”
The lock system did not go into effect until 9:30 each morning, according to a letter to parents from the principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was one of those killed.
Lieutenant Vance did not say how the gunman gained entry, but he said investigators believed it was clear he was not voluntarily let in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/n...-connecticut-28-dead-in-all.html?pagewanted=2
“You had to buzz in and out and the whole nine yards,” said a former chairwoman of the Newtown Education Board, Lillian Bittman. “When you buzz, you come up on our screen.”
The lock system did not go into effect until 9:30 each morning, according to a letter to parents from the principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was one of those killed.
Lieutenant Vance did not say how the gunman gained entry, but he said investigators believed it was clear he was not voluntarily let in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/n...-connecticut-28-dead-in-all.html?pagewanted=2
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I just wanted to share the thoughts of a man that I highly respect-Mr. Silas House
This is not the popular thing to say, but it's on my heart, and it needs to be said...The massacre in Connecticut illuminates more than ever that our culture is sick. The problem is ATTITUDE. I'm all for looking at better gun regulation in a smart way but the main problem is parents who let their children watch and listen to ANYTHING. Children need some things to be censored. Children need rules. Children need boundaries. They aren't ready for lots of the stuff that people hand to them these days. I'm shocked when I meet six year olds who can only talk about bloody video games or twelve year olds who talk about having watched the SAW movies or "The Walking Dead" without understanding the context. And I'll also put out there that so much of today's music encourages disrespect for fellow human beings. I can't believe the stuff I hear in music today, with women in rap songs being reduced to nothing more than "b-----s" and country s...ongs that celebrate killing or beating someone for cheating. It all goes back to lack of respect for other people. And it goes back to people being too lazy to instill morality into their children. This whole line of thinking that this happens because "God has been taken out of schools" is infuriating. WE should be teaching our children morality and not depending on teachers to do it. WE should be monitoring the stuff our children see and hear, not others. WE should be standing up for what is right and stepping in and saying, "You're too young to be watching those SAW movies," or "You're too young to be listening to that song, or playing that video game." We shouldn't be so lazy that we want to put the moral upbringing of our children into the hands of strangers. We should be doing that ourselves, instead of handing them more technology that gives them easy access to stuff they are not ready to see. We need to change ATTITUDES about respect and honor and humanity. Just look at social media and how badly people talk to one another over the smallest little thing. We celebrate celebrities who get into Twitter fights where they dehumanize one another. It's not funny; it's gross. On this page itself sometimes I say stuff that people disagree with and instead of having a conversation, some people write horrible, vulgar, insulting responses. It's fine to disagree with others, but do it with respect. I am not saying that this particular tragedy occurred because of violent media but I do believe that same media has badly warped our value systems. We've all heard the phrase "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me." I believe that's what it's all about. WE each have to serve each other and respect one another and show that to others. We have to get up each day and wonder how we can put good out into the world and hope that washes over others. WE have to change the attitude of our country. We are where it all begins, and we have to change it on our own, one step at a time.
This is not the popular thing to say, but it's on my heart, and it needs to be said...The massacre in Connecticut illuminates more than ever that our culture is sick. The problem is ATTITUDE. I'm all for looking at better gun regulation in a smart way but the main problem is parents who let their children watch and listen to ANYTHING. Children need some things to be censored. Children need rules. Children need boundaries. They aren't ready for lots of the stuff that people hand to them these days. I'm shocked when I meet six year olds who can only talk about bloody video games or twelve year olds who talk about having watched the SAW movies or "The Walking Dead" without understanding the context. And I'll also put out there that so much of today's music encourages disrespect for fellow human beings. I can't believe the stuff I hear in music today, with women in rap songs being reduced to nothing more than "b-----s" and country s...ongs that celebrate killing or beating someone for cheating. It all goes back to lack of respect for other people. And it goes back to people being too lazy to instill morality into their children. This whole line of thinking that this happens because "God has been taken out of schools" is infuriating. WE should be teaching our children morality and not depending on teachers to do it. WE should be monitoring the stuff our children see and hear, not others. WE should be standing up for what is right and stepping in and saying, "You're too young to be watching those SAW movies," or "You're too young to be listening to that song, or playing that video game." We shouldn't be so lazy that we want to put the moral upbringing of our children into the hands of strangers. We should be doing that ourselves, instead of handing them more technology that gives them easy access to stuff they are not ready to see. We need to change ATTITUDES about respect and honor and humanity. Just look at social media and how badly people talk to one another over the smallest little thing. We celebrate celebrities who get into Twitter fights where they dehumanize one another. It's not funny; it's gross. On this page itself sometimes I say stuff that people disagree with and instead of having a conversation, some people write horrible, vulgar, insulting responses. It's fine to disagree with others, but do it with respect. I am not saying that this particular tragedy occurred because of violent media but I do believe that same media has badly warped our value systems. We've all heard the phrase "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me." I believe that's what it's all about. WE each have to serve each other and respect one another and show that to others. We have to get up each day and wonder how we can put good out into the world and hope that washes over others. WE have to change the attitude of our country. We are where it all begins, and we have to change it on our own, one step at a time.
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I haven't been posting much because it's just too disturbing for me to handle. But I did want to chime in on the mental health issue.
I have suffered from depression for all of my adult life. We just switched to new health insurance and its much different than what we had before, where I had full access to mental health professionals. I don't necessarily think they were the best in their field but that's another topic.
My depression has gotten worse lately (perfect timing with the insurance switch, right?) so I wanted to make an appt with a psychiatrist. I can't. I saw a new general practitioner and she can't get me in to see one either. She even said their policies are ridiculous. I have to call their 'behavioral health line' where they will "assess" me and "try" to find someone for me. The wait is six to seven months. I literally cannot even call a clinic - the numbers are unlisted. Really??
I am NOT about to start shooting people and I can function in my daily life. But I do have passive suicidal thoughts, which basically means that when I'm feeling really down, I might think "Gee, I wish I would fall asleep and never wake up." I'm not worried about my safety or the safety of others but all I'm asking is to WANT to wake up in the morning and to WANT to live my life to its fullest potential. But they don't seem to care about that. Why is that too much to ask for?
I'm not trying to make this about me, and I don't necessarily like divulging such personal things on a public message board. But these things need to be addressed. Why is mental health treated differently than any other health issue? If my heart was malfunctioning, would they put me through the wringer like this? Would I get the run around have to wait SIX MONTHS to see a doctor? Meanwhile I may DIE? It makes me feel like a freak and like a bother. It makes me feel like I'm not important.
I place full blame on Adam (not his mother, not guns) but I also think our mental health system needs a major overhaul. My depression should be treated like any other illness and I should be able to see a doctor when I need one.
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I have suffered from depression for all of my adult life. We just switched to new health insurance and its much different than what we had before, where I had full access to mental health professionals. I don't necessarily think they were the best in their field but that's another topic.
My depression has gotten worse lately (perfect timing with the insurance switch, right?) so I wanted to make an appt with a psychiatrist. I can't. I saw a new general practitioner and she can't get me in to see one either. She even said their policies are ridiculous. I have to call their 'behavioral health line' where they will "assess" me and "try" to find someone for me. The wait is six to seven months. I literally cannot even call a clinic - the numbers are unlisted. Really??
I am NOT about to start shooting people and I can function in my daily life. But I do have passive suicidal thoughts, which basically means that when I'm feeling really down, I might think "Gee, I wish I would fall asleep and never wake up." I'm not worried about my safety or the safety of others but all I'm asking is to WANT to wake up in the morning and to WANT to live my life to its fullest potential. But they don't seem to care about that. Why is that too much to ask for?
I'm not trying to make this about me, and I don't necessarily like divulging such personal things on a public message board. But these things need to be addressed. Why is mental health treated differently than any other health issue? If my heart was malfunctioning, would they put me through the wringer like this? Would I get the run around have to wait SIX MONTHS to see a doctor? Meanwhile I may DIE? It makes me feel like a freak and like a bother. It makes me feel like I'm not important.
I place full blame on Adam (not his mother, not guns) but I also think our mental health system needs a major overhaul. My depression should be treated like any other illness and I should be able to see a doctor when I need one.
(now don't judge me
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I saw an interview this morning with a guy who was a very high up security specialist. He said this school was very secure and that system was about as good as it gets for schools.
IMO it's hard to stop evil.
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I'm assuming that the mom quit working when her son dropped out and got his GED. That would make sense, he would have been in his teens and not old enough or responsible enough to be left alone so when he quit school, she had to quit working also.
This probably threw them into a cycle where they were spending excessive amounts of time together with no end in sight, after all, he wasn't going to grow up, get married, go off to college. His brother would, the kids his mom taught would, his former classmates would, but not Adam. He was probably going to remain the troubled person he had always been, only in an adult body, but without adult privileges (he didn't have a driver's license that I have heard of) and both Adam and his mom realized this.
I am sure this was difficult on both of them. She was going to have to care for him for life and at age 20, he was realizing that age 21 was approaching but he was not going to have a normal life like everyone else. No job, no wife and kids, no college, etc. Just the same life, mom and son, until one of them died.
She was stuck with him but with limited powers because he was of legal age and intelligent and didn't have a criminal history. She couldn't control him as easily as she once had, he had grown to adult size. He was stuck with her because he couldn't survive out there on his own. There was probably a power struggle that neither of them talked about.
Sad but this situation is going on in many other households as well. There are many other time bombs like Adam out there. And while they wait for their time to "go off", they amuse themselves with video games and movies full of violence and carnage. Mind you, I am not blaming video games or movies.
I can't find anyone to blame but him. We can lock up school, outlaw guns and take all kinds of precautions but in the end, if someone like him is determined to cause mass destruction as he exits a world that he hates, he will find a way to do just that, in one way or another.
This probably threw them into a cycle where they were spending excessive amounts of time together with no end in sight, after all, he wasn't going to grow up, get married, go off to college. His brother would, the kids his mom taught would, his former classmates would, but not Adam. He was probably going to remain the troubled person he had always been, only in an adult body, but without adult privileges (he didn't have a driver's license that I have heard of) and both Adam and his mom realized this.
I am sure this was difficult on both of them. She was going to have to care for him for life and at age 20, he was realizing that age 21 was approaching but he was not going to have a normal life like everyone else. No job, no wife and kids, no college, etc. Just the same life, mom and son, until one of them died.
She was stuck with him but with limited powers because he was of legal age and intelligent and didn't have a criminal history. She couldn't control him as easily as she once had, he had grown to adult size. He was stuck with her because he couldn't survive out there on his own. There was probably a power struggle that neither of them talked about.
Sad but this situation is going on in many other households as well. There are many other time bombs like Adam out there. And while they wait for their time to "go off", they amuse themselves with video games and movies full of violence and carnage. Mind you, I am not blaming video games or movies.
I can't find anyone to blame but him. We can lock up school, outlaw guns and take all kinds of precautions but in the end, if someone like him is determined to cause mass destruction as he exits a world that he hates, he will find a way to do just that, in one way or another.
I was wondering that too. Driver's license photo maybe? I'm almost positive if he has a record the media would have dug it up by now. They always do!
Oh, btw, welcome to WS!
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I dont know, but to me it looks like the photo of a driving licence, ID card, something like that.
Also I think I have read somewhere that he has no criminal records.
Also I think I have read somewhere that he has no criminal records.
FWIW, the Daily Mail...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wasnt-school-yesterday.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
It reads like the information is based upon the NBC report (video only as far as I can find.) I'm still sans audio.
I googled "lanza" "altercation" and "Sandy Hook" to find other reports.
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Oh, I bet you are right! Come to think of it, my license sort of looks like a mugshot too!!! lol! Thanks for the welcome!
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There are going to be lots of question on that one if it is true.
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Wow, I wonder if he applied for a job there or something. Although he doesn't strike me as a person who would want a position like that. Does anyone know if he went to college? I wonder if he has a online resume. hmm...
I smell lawsuits. Columbine all over again. :sigh:
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