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I wonder if he went to the wedding?

I doubt it. But who knows. Maybe he was in it. I have seen stranger things happen. My x-hsb had one of our sons in one of his weddings after our divorce.:waitasec: I know stupid huh? jmo
 
If he was so upset at his father over the wedding that he stopped communicating with him, then it's a fair guess that he was not at the wedding.
 
Yes, caretakers should get vacations, but why would Nancy take a vacation at THIS time? Nancy told individuals that her son wasn't speaking with her, she felt she was losing him, and his condition was getting worse. IMO, it's not logical that she would go on a vacation at this time.
MS plus stress can equal exaccerbation of MS symptoms. If she was on the brink of a major descision she may have needed treatment for her MS.
I also keep wondering if much of her decision making was based on meeting someone new in her life. No indications of such, just sayin......
 
I doubt it. But who knows. Maybe he was in it. I
have seen stranger things happen. My x-hsb had one of our sons in one of his weddings after our divorce.:waitasec: I know stupid huh? jmo

I am assuming NL was not invited/didnt want to go obviously. So did AL go by himself? That kind of thing would be overwhelming for one with the social issues like AL. So maybe he wasn't really invited- and being the lonely narcissist he is, made an agenda and stopped talking to his Dad. Last week, when he didn't get his way with NL, he stopped talking to her. Just hypothesizing what might have went down. Sounds like a pretty messed up family dynamic... brother and dad making no contact with him?
 
I'll start off by saying that I realize that some may not at all agree with the opinions expressed in this post, but I must say that the more clarified the information becomes as its released to the public..well..the more I am leaning toward in all likelihood some of the earlier(and even still presently) articles about who and what AL was are IMO painting a false or not so realistic picture of who he was and what capabilities that he really had all along..

I believe that yes, of course, without doubt AL was mentally ill as well as suffered from a personality disorder.. I absolutely believe he was genuinely socially awkward and did find it hard to "fit in".. however I believe that he was much more quote "normal" unquote than what many believe him to be, and quite possibly that he, himself potrayed himself to be..most importantly portrayed himself to be to his mother..

There are friends that have now come forward who say there was a quite "normal" side to AL that he showed once becoming comfortable of certain people.. that after opening up he was fully capable of making eye contact, and not only able to hold a conversation, but actually actively engaging in conversation.. these friends also go on to say that there was even a side to AL that consoled and comforted a friend when he'd see they were having a difficult time in their life, even offering hope of that things would get better for the friend...

IMO this info is of extreme importance in learning who and what AL really was, rather than what he possibly potrayed himself to be.. IMO I believe that its likely that just as much as mental illness plays a role in this, so, too does downright selfish, immature, and possibly even pure evil as well plays a role in this ..
I find it quite plausible that he was tantruming furious over the fact that his mother wanted him to venture out of the comforts of his basement of darkness that obviously just allowed him to continue to withdraw into his fantasy world of violence and his self centered universe with which he had created and mom IMO unknowingly was enabling and feeding into by coddling him and caring for him in terms of how one would care for a small child in many ways..

This individual had zero desire to branch out of his comfortable, spoiled world where everything literally revolved around him..his being allowed to just hole up In a dark basement and play video games, and immerse himself Into the depths of the internet..mom keeping him fed, a beautiful, comfy, cozy roof over his head, all of his games purchased for him, and him having his very own car to come and go as he so pleased..one of those outings that he pleased himself with was the wonderful world of firearms that mom felt IMO was her one and only bond that she had with her difficult and troubled son.. this IMO just further fueling the darkness with this individual..

IMO again, yes, I believe he quite obviously suffered from mental illness, but IMO that was not the severest issue, nor was it what mainly fueled his actions last Friday..the above described dark and comfy world within which he lived in IMO a good amount of young males who do not suffer from severe mental illnesses would also find appealing and love nothing more than to be catered to In such a way of their entire existence being holed up in a nice, comfy home with all their needs met and allowed to day in and day out completely immerse themselves in video games and the internet..have their very own car provided to them, with gas, isurance, etc all financial needs meet 100+% and literally zero responsibility expected nor asked of them..

You see this IMO while yes, involves mental illness it too just as much or more involves a dark heart of a spoiled and manipulative individual.. IMO his mom had become increasingly aware that her son COULD DO AND BE SO MUCH MORE..THAT HE WAS FULLY CAPABLE OF DOING AND BEING SO MUCH MORE..IMO she realized possibly that this particular way in which she fell into in spoiling, coddling, and enabling her son who, yes had issues, problems, but that she knew was fully capable in many ways of functioning..and IMO when she began to push forward with beginning to make him branch out of the rut that over time she could see was only causing deterioration rather than anything remotely positive..

He IMO tantrumed with fierce fury over his mothers attempts at taking away his self centered world of comfort and enabling.. I think when she actually began to put her foot down about that his little happy world of self consumed, catering to his every need life he was so content living..when he saw that it was really coming to an end and mom was really pulling the plug on letting him continue to slide through life with zero reonsibility and expectation of himself..and his childish, life long tantruming that had worked effectively for all these years in getting his mom to yield to him and his needs and wants.. when he saw it was no longer effective and mom really was pressing forward with making him do something other than be a spoiled, angry man-child that's every need, want, and desire was handed to him on a silver platter...

IMO and IMO only it was this described above situation that set in motion what's end result culminated last Friday.. he could no longer manipulate his mom into continuing the catering to this spoiled man-child's every desire..he realized his life as he knew it was really going to end and he cut mom off within days of the shooting ..IMO this a combination of a last stitch effort at his punishing mom with silence and complete withdrawal in hopes of her changing her mind..as well as beginning to put into motion his final eff you to mom and the world..

IMO I believe the clearer picture that will continue to emerge will clearly show this was not solely, nor even largely because of mental illness, but rather that the large portion of this puzzle is the dark heart of selfish, self serving man-child whose mental illness had allowed him to manipulate himself into the ultimate heaven of a loser of having every desire met on a silver platter, including financially, with zero responsibility or accountability, him left to completely immerse himself in video games and the internet.. when that comfortable, self serving, all losers dream come true of a lifestyle was threatened and coming to an end...IMO its those issues that trump mental illness a thousand times over in what led to Friday's tragedy..

All jmo, tho.


I tend to really disagree with all t his. I do think perhaps the approach taken may not have helped and even made things worse - not that there is a perfect parent or approach. It think this kid walled walled inside himself and what we hear otherwise was earlier on. I'm having a difficult time reconciling what you say was pandering to a child for years then all of a sudden saying, you're a man, you need to make it on your own.

Teaching a kid to drive (we think), getting him a car, and teaching him to shoot guns does not make you into a self sufficient adult. It appears because of some terminology int he divorce that the parents were fully aware this could be a lifelong commitment and his mom didn't even want him cooking while she was away for days - if he can't cook when he's living with someone, how can he take care of himself?

Someone said this earlier, but I agree that possibly Adam was more recently diagnosed. That could be why he was trying to burn himself to see if he felt pain. It seems obvious he had problems for a while. Although I think if any one parent/caregiver turns into the sole contact and provider for someone, it can easily get dysfunctional.

At any rate, I don't care if I am wrong about this, I just hope we get more information. This is the first case I have seen with all these elements possibly contributing.
 
:what:I can't get past the possibility that the mother may have left the killer home alone for a day or two or whatever the time frame was. I mean :banghead: why leave a mentally challenged/maybe violent person alone??


I wonder if Nancy had someone...anyone... who she could have called to check on her son or even stay with her son?

imo

He had Aspergers which isnt even considered a mental illness to begin with. He was a 20 years old adult with a drivers license and fixed people's computers .............not 2 years old and Ive never heard he had to have care 24/7. He wasnt having to be spoon fed and his hiney wiped everytime he went to the bathroom. I have read though that she did take mini-trips out of town in the past. I can certainly understand why she would need a break every now and then.

There has been no mention from anyone through all of this that AL was ever violent. All have said from the very beginning he was the total opposite of violent. He was very shy, and, socially awkward around others. One who well could have become a victim of bullying. No one ever said he tried to victimize anyone.

She had every right in the world to go back home to NH. He did not have a right to murder his own mother who had always been in his life nor did he have a right to murder innocent others. She did nothing wrong but took a much needed short break from catering to ALs every want.

ETA: He was not mentally challenged. He was super intelligent and aced all of his classes and courses.

IMOO
 
I am confused over the second article. We are told there are two survivors that were shot but are now recovering. Why is the article saying first responders were not able to save anyone?
Ya got me.
 
The only thing that I can think of-if NL were alive today, how horrified she would be,seeing the endgame of her son-I surely can't, & I don't think many can identify with what she lived with, during the time she was trying to do her best, & raise her son, & even afterwards, what her surviving son & ex husband are going to have to endure....it's a parallel horror to what his victims will have to face...
 
He had Aspergers which isnt even considered a mental illness to begin with. He was a 20 years old adult with a drivers license and fixed people's computers .............not 2 years old and Ive never heard he had to have care 24/7. He wasnt having to be spoon fed and his hiney wiped everytime he went to the bathroom. I have read though that she did take mini-trips out of town in the past. I can certainly understand why she would need a break every now and then.

There has been no mention from anyone through all of this that AL was ever violent. All have said from the very beginning he was the total opposite of violent. He was very shy, and, socially awkward around others. One who well could have become a victim of bullying. No one ever said he tried to victimize anyone.

She had every right in the world to go back home to NH. He did not have a right to murder his own mother who had always been in his life nor did he have a right to murder innocent others. She did nothing wrong but took a much needed break from catering to ALs every want.

ETA: He was not mentally challenged. He was super intelligent and aced all of his classes and courses.

IMOO

:waitasec:
Reminds me of the movie "Primal Fear"
A total shocker at the end!
 
He had Aspergers which isnt even considered a mental illness to begin with. He was a 20 years old adult with a drivers license and fixed people's computers .............not 2 years old and Ive never heard he had to have care 24/7. He wasnt having to be spoon fed and his hiney wiped everytime he went to the bathroom. I have read though that she did take mini-trips out of town in the past. I can certainly understand why she would need a break every now and then.

There has been no mention from anyone through all of this that AL was ever violent. All have said from the very beginning he was the total opposite of violent. He was very shy, and, socially awkward around others. One who well could have become a victim of bullying. No one ever said he tried to victimize anyone.

She had every right in the world to go back home to NH. He did not have a right to murder his own mother who had always been in his life nor did he have a right to murder innocent others. She did nothing wrong but took a much needed break from catering to ALs every want.

IMOO
bbm
But there was never any hint of violence. “He would start yelling and stuff like that,” the friend said. “He would never hit her. He would just act like a child when he got mad."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2FXRx5tXS

Outburst of loud and/or profane speech, making others feel uncomfortable, and exhibiting increased restlessness are all signs of impending physical violence.
 
He had Aspergers which isnt even considered a mental illness to begin with. He was a 20 years old adult with a drivers license and fixed people's computers .............not 2 years old and Ive never heard he had to have care 24/7. He wasnt having to be spoon fed and his hiney wiped everytime he went to the bathroom. I have read though that she did take mini-trips out of town in the past. I can certainly understand why she would need a break every now and then.

There has been no mention from anyone through all of this that AL was ever violent. All have said from the very beginning he was the total opposite of violent. He was very shy, and, socially awkward around others. One who well could have become a victim of bullying. No one ever said he tried to victimize anyone.

She had every right in the world to go back home to NH. He did not have a right to murder his own mother who had always been in his life nor did he have a right to murder innocent others. She did nothing wrong but took a much needed short break from catering to ALs every want.

ETA: He was not mentally challenged. He was super intelligent and aced all of his classes and courses.

IMOO

Is Asperger's inherited? Has there been any data on that aspect of the syndrome? tia
 
I can see why she didn't want him cooking as he was unable to feel pain.
We didn't like our relative cooking due to her inablility to feel pain as a result of diabetes and she suffered some nasty burns.
 
I can see why she didn't want him cooking as he was unable to feel pain.
We didn't like our relative cooking due to her inablility to feel pains as a result of diabetes and she suffered some nasty burns.

I agree. I am pretty normal and sometimes I forget and touch a hot spoon or hot pan. If he couldn't feel that it would be awful. jmo
 
A former high school basketball coach who pleaded guilty to videotaping boys in a locker room shower was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years in prison and ordered to give $5,000 to the Connecticut community where a gunman killed 26 people.
The judge didn't specify exactly where Scott Studer's fine should be directed, only that it go to the Newtown, Conn., community.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...on-for-newtown/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2FYKjBtV1

I like how this judge thinks!
 
bbm
But there was never any hint of violence. “He would start yelling and stuff like that,” the friend said. “He would never hit her. He would just act like a child when he got mad."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2FXRx5tXS

Outburst of loud and/or profane speech, making others feel uncomfortable
, and exhibiting increased restlessness are all signs of impending physical violence.

I'd call that bullying too.
Threatening behavior...
moo
 
OT, but I really like Anderson Cooper. Such a compassionate man. jmo
 
Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.
Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.
Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...madman-to-snap/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2FYLQeG13

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