Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #6

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Korean flight attendant who was in Israel, Los Angeles diagnosed with COVID-19
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“Local media says Korean Air cabin crew member flew to Jewish state along with 200 pilgrims, many of whom also caught the virus, then visited US before entering quarantine”

Flight attendant you say?

Gaëtan Dugas (French: [ɡaetɑ̃ dyɡa]; February 20, 1953 – March 30, 1984), a Canadian flight attendant, was a relatively early HIV patient who once was widely regarded as "Patient Zero" or the primary case for AIDS in the United States.

Gaëtan Dugas - Wikipedia
 
Flight attendant you say?

Gaëtan Dugas (French: [ɡaetɑ̃ dyɡa]; February 20, 1953 – March 30, 1984), a Canadian flight attendant, was a relatively early HIV patient who once was widely regarded as "Patient Zero" or the primary case for AIDS in the United States.

Gaëtan Dugas - Wikipedia
Ha.....History keeps repeating itself.
 
Perhaps he should be the first to board the Diamond Princess when out again sets sail!


Hmmmm..... just thinking that this wouldn’t be my definition of
“under control”

Perhaps the WHO should consider adding a “PANDEMIC” category!!??

I know I’ll likely take a beating for this, which is ok, par for the course. It certainly wouldn’t be my first time taking a beating in a thread. :D

As I stated here yesterday, I have full faith in Doc T and Dr. Mike, moo. These gentleman are so highly educated and experienced.

They are analyzing the data 24/7 from various professionals coming in in real time.

They are most certainly aware of the public pressure re: the decision on whether or not to declare the “P” word, hence their statement re: this in yesterday’s PC (see quote below).

This situation is dynamic and fluid and I think that when THEY (not US lol) see enough sustained human to human transmission which can not be associated with certain clusters, etc., they will be the first ones to use the “P” word. For all we know WHO could call a “P” today, tomorrow, the next day...

I realize other epidemiologists and various medical professionals may have different opinions on the subject as to when to call “P”.

Dr. Fauci and Dr. Nancy (CDC) have also alluded quite strongly to all this being a real “P” threat, and being prepared for this, so I have no doubt they will rule in as well to constitute a “P” when they deem it appropriate, whether or not this aligned with WHO. Jmo.


See Doc T’s comments I’ve brought over below re: the declaration of a “P” yesterday, of course subject to change at any time:
Yesterday’s PC Conference

Global News / Streamed live 4 hours ago / Corinavirus outbreak: WHO says “too early” to call Covid-19 a pandemic | FULL

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WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 24 February 2020

“Good afternoon everyone.

Let me start, as always, with the latest numbers.

As of 6am Geneva time this morning, China has reported a total of 77,362 cases of COVID-19 to WHO, including 2618 deaths.

In the past 24 hours, China has reported 416 new confirmed cases, and 150 deaths.

We’re encouraged by the continued decline in cases in China.

Earlier today the WHO-China joint mission concluded its visit and delivered its report.

As you know, the team has traveled to several different provinces, including Wuhan.

The team has made a range of findings about the transmissibility of the virus, the severity of disease and the impact of the measures taken.

They found that the epidemic peaked and plateaued between the 23rd of January and the 2nd of February, and has been declining steadily since then.

They have found that there has been no significant change in the DNA of the virus.

They found that the fatality rate is between 2% and 4% in Wuhan, and 0.7% outside Wuhan.

They found that for people with mild disease, recovery time is about two weeks, while people with severe or critical disease recover within three to six weeks.

The team also estimate that the measures taken in China have averted a significant number of cases.

The report contains a wealth of other information, highlights questions for which we still don’t have answers, and includes 22 recommendations.

Dr Bruce Aylward will give more detail tomorrow on behalf of the joint team.

But the key message that should give all countries hope, courage and confidence is that this virus can be contained.

Indeed, there are many countries that have done exactly that.

Outside China, there are now 2074 cases in 28 countries, and 23 deaths.

The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning.

There’s a lot of speculation about whether these increases mean that this epidemic has now become a pandemic.

We understand why people ask that question.

WHO has already declared a public health emergency of international concern – our highest level of alarm – when there were less than 100 cases outside China, and 8 cases of human-to-human transmission.

Our decision about whether to use the word “pandemic” to describe an epidemic is based on an ongoing assessment of the geographical spread of the virus, the severity of disease it causes and the impact it has on the whole of society.

For the moment, we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus, and we are not witnessing large-scale severe disease or death.

Does this virus have pandemic potential? Absolutely, it has. Are we there yet? From our assessment, not yet.

So how should we describe the current situation?

What we see are epidemics in different parts of the world, affecting countries in different ways and requiring a tailored response.

The sudden increase in new cases is certainly very concerning.

I have spoken consistently about the need for facts, not fear.

Using the word pandemic now does not fit the facts, but it may certainly cause fear.

This is not the time to focus on what word we use.

That will not prevent a single infection today, or save a single life today.

This is a time for all countries, communities, families and individuals to focus on preparing.

We do not live in a binary, black-and-white world.

It’s not either-or. We must focus on containment, while doing everything we can to prepare for a potential pandemic.

There is no one-size-fits-all approach. Every country must make its own risk assessment for its own context. WHO is also continuing to do its own risk assessment and is monitoring the evolution of the epidemic around the clock.

But there are at least three priorities.

First, all countries must prioritize protecting health workers.

Second, we must engage communities to protect people who are most at risk of severe disease, particularly the elderly and people with underlying health conditions.

And third, we must protect countries that are the most vulnerable, by doing our utmost to contain epidemics in countries with the capacity to do it.

In the past few days I have held meetings with the foreign ministers of France, Germany, Indonesia, Cuba and the Republic of Korea, and I want to thank them for agreeing to support the response.

I also wish to thank the European Commission for its contribution of 232 million euros, which demonstrates the kind of global solidarity that gives me hope. France, Germany and Sweden have also announced additional contributions.

This is a shared threat. We can only face it together, and we can only overcome it together.

When we act together – countries, regional and global health organizations, the media, the private sector, and people everywhere – our collective strength is formidable.

Alone, we lose. Together, we win.

I thank you.”


Source:
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 24 February 2020
 
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Lebanon restricts flights to countries with coronavirus and halts pilgrimage trips

Lebanon's government has restricted flights to countries with coronavirus outbreaks and completely halted flights for pilgrims, the information minister has said.

Lebanese Muslims regularly fly to Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia on pilgrimage. Lebanon declared its first confirmed case of coronavirus on Friday, a 45-year-old woman who had returned from Iran.

UK school closed over coronavirus fears, as WHO warns outbreak 'literally knocking at the door' - follow live
 
Iran outbreak 'implies there is a much larger iceberg of cases', chief medical officer says

England's chief medical officer, Proffessor Chris Whitty, said the outbreak of coronavirus in Iran was "extremely concerning".


He said it was why new clinical advice had been issued to people returning from the country to the UK.

He added: "The number of deaths to the number of people reported is very high. To us it implies there is a much larger iceberg of cases under the surface in Iran."

UK school closed over coronavirus fears, as WHO warns outbreak 'literally knocking at the door' - follow live
 
Reuters) - Italian authorities have opened a probe into skyrocketing online prices for hygienic masks and sanitizing gels following the coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy, two senior magistrates said on Tuesday.

"We have decided to open an investigation after media reports of the insane prices fetched up by these products on online sales websites in the last two days," Milan deputy chief prosecutor Tiziana Siciliano told Reuters.

Italy probes 'insane' prices for coronavirus masks, sanitizers
 
US senators were briefed on coronavirus today. Here's how they're reacting.

As they left, Sens. Dick Durbin, Richard Blumenthal and Lamar Alexander all said that one aspect of the novel coronavirus that concerns them is its spread across countries around the world.

A key question, Democrat Whip Durbin said, is “whether or not [countries] will be aggressive in quarantine in cases and reduce the spread beyond their borders. We still have to wait to see.”

GOP Sen. Bill Cassidy said that at the end of today's briefing, the officials present actually said “it didn’t need to be” classified. Sen. Roy Blunt, a Republican, echoed that and said the senators didn’t hear anything “top secret.”

Durbin also said he believes the Trump administration’s request for about $2 billion in additional funds to deal with coronavirus is a “wise allocation” but added that it “may not even be enough” — repeating a warning that other Democrats have also made.

Durbin then slammed the Trump administration's budget request that cuts funds for health agencies like CDC and NIH as “completely backwards.” He said he hopes the president reconsiders as “we’ve got to anticipate that more resources will be needed.”

GOP Sen. Mike Braun of Indiana said “panicking about this does not make sense,” when asked if Americans should be panicked about the coronavirus, pointing to the fact there’s only been 14 cases so far in the US — not including those from the cruise ship.

Live updates: Coronavirus cases surge in Italy, Iran and South Korea - CNN
 
this link is about H1N1 swineflu 2009, I found the phases interesting and wonder if it the same with covid 19, that imo can explain why it is not declared a pandemic yet

Current WHO phase of pandemic alert for Pandemic (H1N1) 2009

ps, I have a friend whos 30 year old son died of swineflu a few years ago. psII I also hope this link works
 
WHO presser. Person heading the meeting is Team Lead of group who went to China and is Dr. Bruce Alward has started. He refers to the presser the team had in China last night which I posted upthread the transcript as I cannot find on youtube. ETA: Wegan Zu from US/Atlanta CDC was a member of the team.



ETA: PDF of last nights presser the team gave attached in case you missed
 

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I think this comment by Mark Lipsitch, Harvard epidemiologist is really important to understand:

"“Lipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, around 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)"
(this is from post # 359)

This is the article in The Atlantic that is very good and very thought-provoking:

You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus

I see the issue is how to detect and treat a disease with very high mortality for the elderly, when it is going to be so prevalent in the community and there is likely no way to give immunity via vaccine.
 
O.K. Here's what scares me. All those photos of streets being sprayed. Has this ever happened with any epidemic before? People don't lick the streets or sniff them. Does this mean that if you walk on the street and then into your house, germs on your shoes will infect you? If you drive on the streets, do you need to disinfect your sidewalk? If this resembles a flu in many respects, why are the streets being sprayed with disinfectant? Moo
 
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