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sds71 said:
@alanhe
Senator Johnson tests positive.
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From your link, it doesn't say if he was at the Rose Garden, or at the debate or ???. Wonder where the exposure was from. I'm not familiar with this senator from Wisconsin, or who was positive may have traveled to Wisconsin?

He is noted being asymptomatic at this time, and was only tested due to exposure he was notified of. (Second time as he also stopped travelling with the President back in September and quarantined until September 29th) Sen. Ron Johnson won't travel with Trump after exposure to individual who tested positive for Covid - CNNPolitics . Interesting that it states that he was tested late Wednesday.

"Sen. Johnson was informed today that he was exposed to someone on Monday who has tested positive for covid-19," Ben Voelkel, a spokesman for the senator, said in a statement on Thursday. "Sen. Johnson is experiencing no symptoms, but was tested late Wednesday because he was scheduled to travel with the President today. Sen. Johnson tested negative, but he has been placed in quarantine until September 29. Sen. Johnson will not be traveling with the President or attending the event in Mosinee tonight."

Others here are more educated in such than I that might have an idea?

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beatrixpotter said:
Ugh, I'm looking forward to that day. Tonight I just leisurely grocery shopped at Aldi and Walmart and just enjoyed being in a grocery store. I hate Walmart but was actually looking forward to it all day! lol I found spray lysol too! I haven't found any since spring and I found some small cans of Libby pumpkin and grabbed a few for my mother. She won't use anything else but Aldi is always out when we go.
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The joy of my life is grocery shopping since it is the only time i leave the house!!!
 
How quickly would any test show up positive? If you shake hands with Mr X who has coronavirus on Friday afternoon, is there any test you can be given that would show you as positive on Saturday morning? I don’t know if these tests the WH uses are good or not, but they are certainly not a preventative. Having a test Friday morning won’t stop Mr X from transmitting it to you on Friday afternoon. And it won’t stop you from transmitting it to the next person, and so on. If anything, the tests are just creating a false sense of security no matter how good they are.
 
sds71 said:
One of the sons also took pics with Sen. Tillis
Barrett had it in the Summer maybe the kids had it also.

I forgot my kids mask yesterday and he accused me of trying to give him the virus.
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Do you have a link about Judge Barrett having COVID in the summer? I hadn't heard that, just that she recently tested negative.
 
mickey2942 said:
None of them are wearing a mask. The whole thing is insanity. As if wearing a mask was just for the "non elite". Which, if you ask me, from what I have seen, most of the "elite", were the "super spreaders".
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I don't have the link off-hand, but read that scientists are no longer talking about "super spreaders" but instead use the term for "super spreader events" which they believe is the more accurate way to use this term. Will see if I can find a link to where I read this a few weeks ago.
 
It is completely normal and habitual for the citizens of China and other SE Asian nations to wear a face mask the minute they have a cough or cold. This is to prevent the spread of germs and to protect others around them from catching it.

The countries that are struggling with this very basic action, are the ones who do not like putting the safety of others above their own individual rights.

Selfishness comes at a cost to society.
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
From your link, it doesn't say if he was at the Rose Garden, or at the debate or ???. Wonder where the exposure was from. I'm not familiar with this senator from Wisconsin, or who was positive may have traveled to Wisconsin?

He is noted being asymptomatic at this time, and was only tested due to exposure he was notified of. (Second time as he also stopped travelling with the President back in September and quarantined until September 29th) Sen. Ron Johnson won't travel with Trump after exposure to individual who tested positive for Covid - CNNPolitics . Interesting that it states that he was tested late Wednesday.

"Sen. Johnson was informed today that he was exposed to someone on Monday who has tested positive for covid-19," Ben Voelkel, a spokesman for the senator, said in a statement on Thursday. "Sen. Johnson is experiencing no symptoms, but was tested late Wednesday because he was scheduled to travel with the President today. Sen. Johnson tested negative, but he has been placed in quarantine until September 29. Sen. Johnson will not be traveling with the President or attending the event in Mosinee tonight."

Others here are more educated in such than I that might have an idea?

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I read earlier today that Wisconsin is having a real blow out in cases at the moment. Their hospitals are filling up fast and they are approaching crisis. (Sorry, I just looked in my history for the link, but it has dropped off because I have looked at too many articles since then.)


But I did come across this article which names many of the people who the president has been with over what could be his initial infectious period. There are a lot of people named, and a lot who were part of crowds. Senator Johnson's name is not there.

A running list of all the people Trump came into contact with in the days before he tested positive for COVID-19


ETA: An article about Wisconsin's escalating situation, in case someone wants a link.
Wisconsin coronavirus: Spike continues with 2,700 new cases Friday
 
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tresir2012 said:
But they were tested and cleared to meet the President so it is a surprise. That picture of the ones positive at the Rose Garden is stunning. Lets assume Melania caught it and passed it on to the President. It looks like she met and shook hands with everybody. So it could have been anyone there. They need to be like the Queen. Not meet anybody.
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What a Negative COVID-19 Test Really Means

... “the FDA cautions that negative results do not rule out infection. It asks that asymptomatic tests include this statement: “Negative results must be considered in the context of an individual’s recent exposures, history, presence of clinical signs and symptoms consistent with COVID-19.” And this, in the face of imperfect COVID-19 tests, is key to interpreting a negative result. It depends on your probability of having COVID-19 in the first place.”...

But yes, it could have been anyone, including FLOTUS.

Moo: perfect example as to why scientists tells us to follow safety precautions ... masks, social distance, limit number of attendance.



 
Tigerlily75 said:
How quickly would any test show up positive? If you shake hands with Mr X who has coronavirus on Friday afternoon, is there any test you can be given that would show you as positive on Saturday morning? I don’t know if these tests the WH uses are good or not, but they are certainly not a preventative. Having a test Friday morning won’t stop Mr X from transmitting it to you on Friday afternoon. And it won’t stop you from transmitting it to the next person, and so on. If anything, the tests are just creating a false sense of security no matter how good they are.
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MOO

It takes days to be infectious, not within 24 hours MOO. General consensus of scientists is that you are can/indeed infectious 2-3 days prior to showing positive on a PCR (gold standard) test. That is why when someone turns up positive, they look at contacts going at LEAST 3 days back. The MEDIAN date from infection to symptoms (for those that show such) is 5 days.. going up to 14 days statistically. (Saturday Rose Garden event to Wednesday = 4 days)

As to false sense of security, perhaps the media and the scientists need to do a better job of educating the public as this information has been discussed for months and months. As the WHO has said, there needs to be a strong single message transmitted by leaders hand in hand with their scientists, and it's not happening in some places. MOO

The timing MOO is this all started the day (inside and outside) Rose Garden last Saturday MOO knowing know who are turning out to be positive. For the world to see.
 
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mickey2942 said:
None of them are wearing a mask. The whole thing is insanity. As if wearing a mask was just for the "non elite". Which, if you ask me, from what I have seen, most of the "elite", were the "super spreaders".
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Right. Indoor mass gatherings like Tulsa, no distancing or respect for any guidance or science, no masks. Super spreaders.
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
MOO

It takes days to be infectious, not within 24 hours MOO. General consensus of scientists is that you are can/indeed infectious 2-3 days prior to showing positive on a PCR (gold standard) test. That is why when someone turns up positive, they look at contacts going at LEAST 3 days back. The MEDIAN date from infection to symptoms (for those that show such) is 5 days.. going up to 14 days statistically. (Saturday Rose Garden event to Wednesday = 4 days)

As to false sense of security, perhaps the media and the scientists need to do a better job of educating the public as this information has been discussed for months and months. As the WHO has said, there needs to be a strong single message transmitted by leaders hand in hand with their scientists, and it's not happening in some places. MOO

The timing MOO is this all started in the Rose Garden last Saturday MOO knowing know who are turning out to be positive. For the world to see.
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Exactly. Who in their right mind and with such access to experts of caliber actually organized this Rose Garden event with no social distancing and no masks. Did they really think it was all ok because they took a test that morning and it was negative?

Every single adult there should have known better. It blows my mind.

MOO
 
margarita25 said:
@tresir2012 , I’m checking out after the night shift as always, but would like to ask if you could please do me a favor and pull up the latest list of nations who are collaborating and participating in the COVAX Facility and the ACT Accelerator? The list grows daily, sadly. IMO, the US could be a part of this global effort, and help the world at the same time, as we are all in this together. Covax and Act are a global collaboration, pooled research, etc.

Global Solidarity is key.
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Punctuation correction. The list grows daily. Sadly, imo, ...
 
GRT said:
True, China locked down in the early days quite hard, but not for very long, and their citizens have been back to work now for months while other nations languish in shutdowns.

The Chinese are (sometimes) wearing masks, but not a whole lot and now the Chinese government is advocating "revenge travel" to make sure their citizens travel all over, spend money and boost the economy.

Covid is still circling, so it's just downright odd that the Chinese have had such a tiny death toll. This photo was taken Oct 1, at the Great Wall in Beijing.

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I thought I recall them locking down for quite a long time. And they increased the security of those lock downs repeatedly until the testing was supposedly down to next to nothing. I take their reports with a grain of salt but did listen to people inside and risking their lives and livelihood to expose what was going on.

They were MONTHS out and still literally locked in their homes and having to rely exclusively on food deliveries. At some point they were only leaving homes to pick up food outside it. Way harder and longer lockdown than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

I did always find it really odd that there was no real resurgence of any real severity there since then though.
 
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