Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #3

[doogiesgirl]

Hold on Texasmommy, I live in Satsuma, although I've only been here 6 months. Do you think everyone in Satsuma hangs out with this bunch of misfits? It's very clear that RC has a reputation here and I'm quite sure that family members on both sides are intimadated by him. People always should do the right thing, but sometimes they just don't. Take the school Haleigh went to for instance, with all those absents don't you think they should have stepped in more than just sending out a letter? Commonsense says until this case is resolved Ron Jr. needs to be removed from this questionable invironment he's in, yet that isn't happening is it?

What, in your opinion, is Ron's reputation in Satsuma? If it can be proven that Jr is abused by Ron then I am all for removing him. But, would you have a four year old removed, on accusations alone, from the only home he has known, in the middle of the traumatic event of his sister being abducted? To be placed with strangers? That seems like it would just add another trauma to this little boy's life. jmo

 

[CHICANA]

What, in your opinion, is Ron's reputation in Satsuma? If it can be proven that Jr is abused by Ron then I am all for removing him. But, would you have a four year old removed, on accusations alone, from the only home he has known, in the middle of the traumatic event of his sister being abducted? To be placed with strangers? That seems like it would just add another trauma to this little boy's life. jmo

Why would he go with strangers when he has a mother ?

 

[Busylady]

For what it is worth one would be Ron ex girlfriend.

Who are these Satsuma people who have given Crystal this information??

 

[Busylady]

Ok we are are suppose to believe that 3 judges, LE who investigaged 3 abuse claims in the last 4 years, school teacher, doctors, and DCF all missed the abuse and failed these kids?

 

[Busylady]

Do you have a link that shows Crystal was cleared? I thought no one had been cleared at this time.

I know she was "cleared" and they only gave her one polygraph. That is all they needed.

 

[titanfan62702]

I wish I could believe that someone connected with Crystal took Haleigh. Then I would think the story could have a happy ending for Haleigh. The alternatives don't give me that much hope.

 

[debs]

What, in your opinion, is Ron's reputation in Satsuma? If it can be proven that Jr is abused by Ron then I am all for removing him. But, would you have a four year old removed, on accusations alone, from the only home he has known, in the middle of the traumatic event of his sister being abducted? To be placed with strangers? That seems like it would just add another trauma to this little boy's life. jmo

No one is taking Jr anywhere, yet. And as I recall, they do not remove a child on accusation alone, they investigate........which is what is being appropriately done.

 

[CHICANA]

Ok we are are suppose to believe that 3 judges, LE who investigaged 3 abuse claims in the last 4 years, school teacher, doctors, and DCF all missed the abuse and failed these kids?

It's not hard for me to believe.
The officials you mentioned might have found whatever explanation that was given adequate. RJ wasn't in school yet and this was Haleigh's first year. She missed a lot and that might or might not be related to abuse. I'm aware it could be related to her condition.
It sounds like Crystal and/or her mom made most of the reports. I know that DCFS discounts a lot of abuse reports made by non custodial parents because they think they're doing it out of spite or in order to get custody.
And that does happen, but it comes down to the investigator knowing that a judge gave custody to Ron and believing as many do that the judge knew what he was doing and had all the facts. IMO it would take a lot for a DCFS worker to go in front of a judge and tell him he made the wrong choice and awarded the kids to an abusive parent. I'm not sure it's understood what a strong upper hand Ron had by having legal custody.

 

[Busylady]

I understand what you are saying, but I have a hard time believing that many people just ignored that there was abuse going on. Crystal has changed her story about the children being abused so that to me makes it even tougher to believe that there was abuse going on.

It's not hard for me to believe.
The officials you mentioned might have found whatever explanation that was given adequate. RJ wasn't in school yet and this was Haleigh's first year. She missed a lot and that might or might not be related to abuse. I'm aware it could be related to her condition.
It sounds like Crystal and/or her mom made most of the reports. I know that DCFS discounts a lot of abuse reports made by non custodial parents because they think they're doing it out of spite or in order to get custody.
And that does happen, but it comes down to the investigator knowing that a judge gave custody to Ron and believing as many do that the judge knew what he was doing and had all the facts. IMO it would take a lot for a DCFS worker to go in front of a judge and tell him he made the wrong choice and awarded the kids to an abusive parent. I'm not sure it's understood what a strong upper hand Ron had by having legal custody.

 

[Busylady]

There have been court hearings clear up to 2007, why did Crystal not mention the abuse then? She now claims she reported Ron several times over the last 3 or 4 years. I guess it all depends on which one of her stories you believe, she has known about it for years, she just learned about it after Haleigh went missing, or she learned about it in November when she took pics, or she witnessed the abuse.

 

[debs]

Ok we are are suppose to believe that 3 judges, LE who investigaged 3 abuse claims in the last 4 years, school teacher, doctors, and DCF all missed the abuse and failed these kids?

DFS has been into Ron's house more recently than that, since it was that visit which made Ron find a house with better accommodations for the children. The teacher and school nurse both made notations that the child fell on the playground, but the teacher has also noted 22 (I believe) unexcused absences in Haleigh's school file, enough to send a letter listing consequences if Haleigh was not in school more regularly. Excused physical absences would be accompanied by a physician's note. DFS has been to his home on numerous occasions, one of which was to give him "pointers" that he is now proudly discussing on how to discipline his children.

His children were with Misty "24/7" which leads me to wonder where was Ron in the 24/7. We can ask that question, legitimately, can't we?

 

[CHICANA]

I understand what you are saying, but I have a hard time believing that many people just ignored that there was abuse going on. Crystal has changed her story about the children being abused so that to me makes it even tougher to believe that there was abuse going on.

I don't know if it was ignored, it was investigated. I don't think Ron just walked around beating on his kids, but based on what I've seen and heard out of his mouth IMO he has a bad temper and could cross the line. I also think (don't know) that there was drug usage. Drugs can amplify behavior and if the kids misbehaved and he normally gave them a spanking, it could have been worse if he was under the influence.

I don't know what happened, but I don't think Ron is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. I also don't think he's a better parent than Crystal or deserves his children any more than she does. I think she should have as much time with her children as Ron does and I think their mothers(RC's & CS's) should butt out a little bit. Good intentions or not.

 

[cuppy199]

DFS has been into Ron's house more recently than that, since it was that visit which made Ron find a house with better accommodations for the children. The teacher and school nurse both made notations that the child fell on the playground, but the teacher has also noted 22 (I believe) unexcused absences in Haleigh's school file, enough to send a letter listing consequences if Haleigh was not in school more regularly. Excused physical absences would be accompanied by a physician's note. DFS has been to his home on numerous occasions, one of which was to give him "pointers" that he is now proudly discussing on how to discipline his children.

His children were with Misty "24/7" which leads me to wonder where was Ron in the 24/7. We can ask that question, legitimately, can't we?

We have no idea why DCF was at Ronalds we can only guess. As for learning how to discipline could have just as likely been learned in parenting class. Which both Ronald and Crystal was required to take.

 

[CHICANA]

Read my theory and all my post again then lets sleuth it out and eliminate it as a possibility.:blowkiss:

I read your theory. I don't think the facts back it up but anything's possible.
There have been numerous responses to your theory that Crystal might not have passed the polygraph and am waiting to see your rebuttals to those.
I thought you wanted to look at everyone as at this time there's no way to confirm or eliminate any theory.

 

[Busylady]

We do not know that the school sent a note home regarding Haleigh's absences, nothing but Crystals word that Ron would get in trouble with the school if Haleigh missed any more days so he would not let her take Haleigh. Wonder why Crystal thought it was ok to pull Haleigh out of school for things, but is now throwing it in Ron's face that Haleigh missed too much school?

Out of the 22 days several of those are Mondays and Fridays that correspond with Crystals visitation weekend, maybe Crystal picked them up early or kept them an extra day and Ron said she could not do that anymore because of the number of missed days.

One of the unexcused days we definitely know Crystal had Haleigh because it has been stated she took Haleigh November 12th to see her dad after picking up the kids for visitation.

Also out of the 22 days - 12 are marked unexcused

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Stop with the personal attacts toward another poster. If you don't agree with the post fine, don't make it personal!

 

[stilettos]

We have no idea why DCF was at Ronalds we can only guess. As for learning how to discipline could have just as likely been learned in parenting class. Which both Ronald and Crystal was required to take.

I thought I remembered Ron saying somewhere that he "spanked or disciplined his children in the approved manner as taught him by DCF?"

 

[stilettos]

We will just have to agree to disagree. We each get an impression or instinct about a person and mine just does not pick up any "heart" any "passion" when CS is asked about her daughter Haleigh. I stick with my opinion about CS being opportunistic. She was thousands of dollars behind in child support when this happened. I have seen her speak of custody issues vs finding Haleigh the majority of her media time. I just don't understand that. While her daughter is missing the time she is given on air IMO should be spent 100% getting the word out. I am not accusing CS of being opportunistic, it is my opinion. There is a place for custody issues and a time, right now isn't the time and national tv isn't the place. My opinion on CS putting her four year old son on GR to describe what he saw and heard, leading the public as well as the perp to assume he knows who did this, that was completely dangerous to that child and a very bad decision on her part IMO. That is not protecting him in my book. The fact that a judge (what twice?) has awarded custody to RC is also not lost on me, there must be a reason for that. Just sayin. jmo

Also I think that is very unfair to say that RC "lost" Haleigh. So are all parents whose children have been abducted at fault? This could happen to any parent.

I just want to throw a question out to all posters. When is the right or wrong time to ensure a child is not being abused???? I do NOT care if it makes Ron or anyone else uncomfortable about the timing. It is what it is. There are allegations on the table that need investigating to protect Jr and Haleigh should she return. NOW is the time to investigate. If the charges are unfounded, what does RC have to fear??? Let the child be interviewed by forensic experts. Let the witnesses speak as to what they have seen occur, let the evidence be brought the court and let the best interests of the child be what we are concerned with. To h** with someone's discomfort. The child comes first. That is abuse of his own children. They are privy to this sleeping in the same room. It is RC's fault that he and his companion have associated with a RSO and brought his children into that enviornment. It IS Rc's fault that he associates with known drug offenders and brings them into his child's enviornment. So my question is...Who would like to send their children to visit RC and Misty for a few weeks?

 

[cuppy199]

I just want to throw a question out to all posters. When is the right or wrong time to ensure a child is not being abused???? I do NOT care if it makes Ron or anyone else uncomfortable about the timing. It is what it is. There are allegations on the table that need investigating to protect Jr and Haleigh should she return. NOW is the time to investigate. If the charges are unfounded, what does RC have to fear??? Let the child be interviewed by forensic experts. Let the witnesses speak as to what they have seen occur, let the evidence be brought the court and let the best interests of the child be what we are concerned with. To h** with someone's discomfort. The child comes first. That is abuse of his own children. They are privy to this sleeping in the same room. It is RC's fault that he and his companion have associated with a RSO and brought his children into that enviornment. It IS Rc's fault that he associates with known drug offenders and brings them into his child's enviornment. So my question is...Who would like to send their children to visit RC and Misty for a few weeks?

At this point I wouldnt send my children to RC or Crystal

 

[kiki the parrot]

DFS has been into Ron's house more recently than that, since it was that visit which made Ron find a house with better accommodations for the children. The teacher and school nurse both made notations that the child fell on the playground, but the teacher has also noted 22 (I believe) unexcused absences in Haleigh's school file, enough to send a letter listing consequences if Haleigh was not in school more regularly. Excused physical absences would be accompanied by a physician's note. DFS has been to his home on numerous occasions, one of which was to give him "pointers" that he is now proudly discussing on how to discipline his children.
His children were with Misty "24/7" which leads me to wonder where was Ron in the 24/7. We can ask that question, legitimately, can't we?

(bold mine) Yea pointers--and some necessary clarification, from the sound of it. Guess dad needed a little help in distinguishing what is appropriate discipline, versus abuse. JMO

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