CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #64

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lucegirl said:
The Defense thinks testimony that MT is happy and getting her hair done on the 25th is helpful? That is just shockingly tone deaf.
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This line of testimony is brilliant in its absolute tone deafness as you point out.

So shockingly good that I actually was able to channel Eva Peron with three hours of full hair and makeup team simply to prepare for signing death warrants in her office!

Brilliant work by the defence!

Standing ovation for Eva or is that Michelle?

Doesn’t matter, no difference really….

Moo
 
Eli9 said:
The State wiped the floor with that hairdresser witness. If I was MT I would be pretty pi$$ed right now.
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Yes and if I am a woman on the jury that to me is Huge. Her stylist says they always chat about what’s going on with family etc. And MT never even mentions Jennifer is missing Never says a word. Wowzer. MT is an ICE cold frigid woman. No conscience. Consumate liar.
What a screw up on her part to not cancel that appmt or feign concern. And what did JS think - that looks good? Fool.
We already have the interviews where MT shows no concern about Jennifer missing or even when she is told she dead.
Jury will make the connection.
This to me is a headline.
“Stylist TAKES THE STAND ;
Troconis Very Happy Day after Murder”
Imo
 
Lol regarding dying declaration. JS: this is not MOOT COURT!

When you are killing yourself, you can’t be overcome with the apprehension that makes people who are otherwise competent and trustworthy to frantically blurt things out.

The exception to hearsay is not - if you said it in death - it gets to come in. There are elements that most accompany the apprehension of impending death - mainly that the witness would have otherwise been a competent and trustworthy witness.
 
afitzy said:
Perhaps a future on onlyfans?

Only if this legal thing doesnt work out.
Moo
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Oh, I'd say his legal thing is already not working out. For the defendant.

He managed to emphasize today, with the dinner party query, how pleased FD was with his resolution of divorce. He may as well have toasted, "after tomorrow, JFd will no longer be a problem for me".

And that MT is up to her extensions in it. She didn't mention to her hairdresser friend that the police had been to the house, barely 12 hours prior... that Jennifer was missing? Didn't seem like a detail worth mentioning? Yet she withheld it. Pesky consciousness of guilt.

Ice.

JMO
 
lucegirl said:
The Defense thinks testimony that MT is happy and getting her hair done on the 25th is helpful? That is just shockingly tone deaf.
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This line of testimony is brilliant in its absolute tone deafness as you point out.

So shockingly good that I actually was able to channel Eva Peron with three hours of full hair and makeup team simply to prepare for signing death warrants in her office!

Brilliant work by the defence!

Standing ovation for Eva or if that Michelle?

Doesn’t matter, no difference really….

Moo
 
Megnut said:
Oh, I'd say his legal thing is already not working out. For the defendant.

He managed to emphasize today, with the dinner party query, how pleased FD was with his resolution of divorce. He may as well have toasted, "after tomorrow, JFd will no longer be a problem for me".

And that MT is up to her extensions in it. She didn't mention to her hairdresser friend that the police had been to the house, barely 12 hours prior... that Jennifer was missing? Didn't seem like a detail worth mentioning? Yet she withheld it. Pesky consciousness of guilt.

Ice.

JMo
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I’m still way behind due to pesky work obligations that I tried to shirk but failed…

Back watching now.

Moo
 
lucegirl said:
Lol regarding dying declaration. JS: this is not MOOT COURT!

When you are killing yourself, you can’t be overcome with the apprehension that makes people who are otherwise competent and trustworthy to frantically blurt things out.

The exception to hearsay is not - if you said it in death - it gets to come in. There are elements that most accompany the apprehension of impending death - mainly that the witness would have otherwise been a competent and trustworthy witness.
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@lucegirl, quick question.

Do you think jury instructions are done or will we be treated to more “horning and thrusting”?

Need to schedule liquor delivery and not sure how much to order?

Want to be prepared.

Thanks in advance!

Moo
 
afitzy said:
Judge Comments Summary: D=Defendant MT

Intent of Defendant: D statement "Buried next to dog" - evidence of motivation by Jury - stmt made before 4/24

Reasonably conclude that because D indicated that FD was home in early am of 4/24 but indicated later on that he was not home indicated that D knew where FD was and that she was covering for him

Discarding of evidence on Albany ave is an indication that D knew the purpose of the reason for discarding of evidence
Even though D did not drive FD to car wash there was probably an arrangement to 'pick me up later' that she knew the reason for this trip and why he would be there - Jury can conclude these things

Regarding remarks on multiple conspiracies - 2nd Circuit reference - a conspiracy terminates when the central purposes of that conspiracy are attained. So, for example, if central purposes of JF murder took place on 4/24 then that is the end of that conspiracy. Then there is another conspiracy and that is hindering or tampering. Court is not persuaded that State cannot charge multiple conspiracies and its too early to consider at this point any arguments for a vacator for any convictions, if there are any convictions.

The Court finds that there is enough evidence to send to the Jury on Counts 1-6 and motion for Acquittal is DENIED.

Time is 11:25 to resume at 11:40.

MOO
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Was all that stated by the judge?
 
lucegirl said:
Suicide note is hearsay if it’s offered for the truth of matter asserted - and it’s being offered to prove the truth that MT is innocent. Nope. Not coming in. Suicide notes in general are tainted with self serving statements and are not trustworthy by their nature. I think JS is just clogging up the record with speaking objections for the appeal.
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Lord have mercy on the people that have to read the appeal.
MOO
 
afitzy said:
@lucegirl, quick question.

Do you think jury instructions are done or will we be treated to more “horning and thrusting”?

Need to schedule liquor delivery and not sure how much to order?

Want to be prepared.

Thanks in advance!

Moo
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Judge asked each side to submit their proposed jury instructions by 5 pm on Friday iirc.
 
Megnut said:
State is reviewing the dinner party.

Had never met Hutch's wife, had met Hutch a few times.

Was not aware the other couple would be there. The other couple maybe didn't know they would be there either. Learned it from FD at he was arriving.

State asks did you discuss... murder, trash on Albany... the Tacoma....

Objection, argumentative

Judge: it's gratuitous.

[Gratuitous but important!]
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A brilliant panther move yet again by Atty Manning....sometimes you just need a good gratuitous question to deal with a xxxxxxbag!

The Reich couple sadly must have had their coaching meeting via zoom at the same time as the overlap of language between the two imo was just a teeny tiny bit too MUCH!

I'm listening and stunned all over again by having a dinner on the eve of murdering your wife and in the case of MT, nemesis....

Chilling and macabre and right out of the one the FD horror movies. Don't know that genre but I do wonder if he and MT patterned this murder after one of their personal favourites?

MOO
 
Jury instructions will not be a formality here IMO (unfortunately). I’m not sure how this Court handles it - but generally each side submits proposed Jury instructions. They are supposed to be tailored to the elements of the crimes charged. Sometimes the court adds in ones they like about generalities. Each state has model jury instructions in its code, but they are just guidelines. In a more typical case - the model instructions are acceptable to both parties. However, either side may propose whatever it wants. The guidelines don’t always get everything in issue. Again - I don’t know Judge R’s practice - but Jury Instructions are usually just ruled by the Court on the “paper” submitted by the parties in an Order. The Court accepts or denies them. They should not be controversial or include hidden land mines to confuse the jury about the law. Jury instructions aren’t usually “hearing material” like with evidence - but I put nothing past the D here with respect to blowing this up. I’m pretty sure this judge will have zero tolerance for any out of the ordinary instructions - but I would expect more of the same.

As in, “If the Jury finds it credible that Thunderstorms were gathering over 4JC after midnight on the morning of May 24th, the jury should infer an irrefutable presumption that defendant did in fact sleep sideway’s in her daughter’s bed on the opposite side of the side table.” Joking obvs
 
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