Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

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Good points by "Twistinginthewind", but the thread page closed but wanted to thank them for it:

"IMO, FD thought that the blood in the garage / scene of the 'serious physical assault' would 'never be found'. He cleaned it up well enough that it wasn't visible to the naked eye, moved her vehicle to Waveny Park to make it look like that's where JD went missing (not at home), disposed of the cleanup sponges, bloody clothes, etc. in a sketchy downtown FDHartford neighborhood he thought would be a good place to get rid of in 30 different receptacles that also would 'never be found', and disposed of her body where he thought it would 'never be found'.

"IMO, I think he meant to threaten her and / or surprise her and then strangle or suffocate her in the garage, with or without a disabling blow, and things didn't go according to plan (she fought back hard and tried to get away from him), and that's when the bloody attack happened that necessitated a cleanup. The blood in the garage was not visible to the naked eye and was only seen by LE with luminol along with evidence of a cleanup according to MSM. JMO."

I would ask whether it is established that the blood would be invisible or the crime scene clean-up not noticeable? It seems that the cops put the word out about the scene in short order, wasn't that before the state crime cops came in with black lights and luminol?
FD may never have thought to look up at the ceiling of the garage. If he hit her more than once then the blood and tissue could have been sprayed on the ceiling from the back swing of the weapon. Incidentally, we have only been talking about blood spatter but there could have been tissue in the spatter and that is how LE could know significant the assault was. Tissue could also have been found on the sponge and rags that went to Albany ave.
 
Hello. 1st time caller on WS. I have been tracking this thread. Very interesting. I want to join in to add MOO and some background.

I grew up a townie in NC, 3rd generation on the lower east side of town where every mailbox ended in a vowel. Went to Center School and spent my childhood bicycling all over town, Mead Park, Waveny Park, the “Ridges”. Frogtown Road and Brushy Ridge were a thrill, very steep, narrow and windy. Had Little League practices at the fields at the Country Day School off of Frogtown/Ponus Ridge. Moved away with my family 20 years ago. The town character changed with all the influx of new money and the “McMansions”. If you get the chance, watch the movie “Ice Storm”. Ang Lee directed with Sigourney Weaver, Kevin Kline, Joan Allen, Tobey MaGuire. Spot on about life in New Canaan in the 70’s.

I am struggling with the fact that if FD was involved, how was he able to do this without an accomplice. I can’t see FD having initial contact with JD at the Welles home after she dropped off the kids. How could he have overtaken her, moved her car to Lapham Road and got back to Welles or vice versa. I use to walk the train tracks between Talmadge Hill and Mead Park to Elm St. The quickest route for me would have been to go through the woods on the south side of Lapham to the train tracks, walk and cut through the woods to Weed St near Indian Waters Drive. Walk to the end and cut through the woods to the back yard of JD’s home on Welles. This way he didn’t have to risk being seen on Weed St or Frogtown Rd passing by the nursery. Also, I don’t think FD had the time to do all this.

IMO, JD went to the Waveny Park Trails off Lapham Rd to go walking/jogging after dropping off the kids at school before heading to NYC for her appointments. That’s why NCPD searched all of the trails from the entrance, along South Avenue and the Merritt Parkway as her cell phone pinged in those locations. FD abducted JD at her car at Lapham Rd, very remote, and took her back to Welles. He wanted the kids for the holiday weekend and was pissed as she had the nanny take them to New York to her mother GFs apartment. They argued and he attacked her in the garage.

The rest is how has he disposed of her. The house on Sturbridge, Pound Ridge, Farmington, anywhere in between, who knows. Tons of woods, lakes and remote areas. And tons of poison ivy. Disposing of stuff in Hartford would seem to fit this progression.

One last comment. FDs venture into New York after his confinement was minor. To get to New Canaan from Hartford he would have taken Rte 84 to Rte 7 south in Danbury to Rte 35 in Ridgefield to Rte 123 in Lewisboro, NY to New Canaan. This cuts across the corner of Lewisboro between Ridgefield, Wilton and New Canaan. Common route to take.

Interestingly there is still an unsolved murder in New Canaan from exactly 50 years ago to the week that JD was reported missing. Mary Mount, age 10 went missing next to her home near Kiwanis Park in late May 1969. She was found three weeks later by two high school kids fishing at South Norwalk Reservoir off of Old Huckleberry Road in Wilton, Ct. The “Wind Cries Mary” by Erika Grey is worth reading.
Great suggestion on using the train tracks as a potential path between the park and her home - in either direction!
 
Good points by "Twistinginthewind", but the thread page closed but wanted to thank them for it:

"IMO, FD thought that the blood in the garage / scene of the 'serious physical assault' would 'never be found'. He cleaned it up well enough that it wasn't visible to the naked eye, moved her vehicle to Waveny Park to make it look like that's where JD went missing (not at home), disposed of the cleanup sponges, bloody clothes, etc. in a sketchy downtown Hartford neighborhood he thought would be a good place to get rid of in 30 different receptacles that also would 'never be found', and disposed of her body where he thought it would 'never be found'.

"IMO, I think he meant to threaten her and / or surprise her and then strangle or suffocate her in the garage, with or without a disabling blow, and things didn't go according to plan (she fought back hard and tried to get away from him), and that's when the bloody attack happened that necessitated a cleanup. The blood in the garage was not visible to the naked eye and was only seen by LE with luminol along with evidence of a cleanup according to MSM. JMO."

I would ask whether it is established that the blood would be invisible or the crime scene clean-up not noticeable? It seems that the cops put the word out about the scene in short order, wasn't that before the state crime cops came in with black lights and luminol?
From the arrest warrant it seems that when the local (NC) cops first went inside JD's home late in the day on the 24th they saw with the naked eye stains that appeared to be blood on the garage floor and on a vehicle in the garage. It wasn't until later (possibly the next day) that state crime investigators came in under a warrant and did testing which (1) confirmed that the stain on the garage floor was blood and that there was blood spatter, and (2) indicated evidence of an attempted crime clean-up. So, in a nutshell, the perp did leave blood that was visible to the naked eye.
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Jennifer did not have time to go running/walking.

She had NYC appointments beginning at 11:00 am.

Drop children off at school 8:00 - 8:15 am and speak to someone.

JD was Very Punctual and would have intended to check in at the Doctor's office, no later than 10:45 am.

She would have left her home by 9:15 am at the Very Latest.

On a good day, it takes 1.5 hours from her home in NC to the Upper East Side of Manhattan during that time of the morning.

There is No Way that she went for a run and then still needed to Shower and Get Ready for her 2 Doctor Appointments in Manhattan, in less than an hour.

I don't know about other people, but I typically want to have had a shower after running and before seeing doctors, not including doing my hair and makeup.

It was Friday of a 3 Day Weekend and Traffic would be heavier than normal, even at 9:15 am.

It was noted previously, that JD's vehicle did not have a Waveny Park Parking Pass.

She was a very detailed person and would not have parked on the street at Waveny, when she could get the Parking Pass and park legally.

We have no recored of LE having found JD's phone nor record of any pings in regards to JD's phone.

The Only phones they have Noted were belonging to FD and MT.

LE may have her phone, but they have Not released that information to the public.

The Only scenario that makes sense, is that FD was waiting for JD to return home after school drop off.

FD could seemingly guarantee that he had opportunity immediately as JD returned from school drop off.

He could Not guarantee any other time.

FD knew JD's daily routine and how she scheduled the Housekeeper and the Nanny.

Hiding behind garage until JD pulled in and he slipped in behind her vehicle before she closed the garage door.

It has been noted that the garage door may have been left open during the school drop off and if so, could have entered the garage and hid behind the Porsche.

But either way, FD waited for her to exit the vehicle before a sneak attack.

This is the Only opportunity that fits.

Had he waited until she left, he could not guarantee that she would not already be in a locked car when she opened the garage door.

Had he waited until she left, he could not even guarantee that she would even leave the house before the children, nanny, and the housekeeper began arriving at Noon.

Children had Early Release that day at school, which he would have known and he would have also known how she scheduled the housekeeper, since his office was in the home they shared for many years.

Look for my previous posts. I have detailed it out in more detail.
All great points. One clarification - I don't believe there's such a thing as a parking permit/pass for everyday use at Waveny Park; anyone from any town might leave their car on the side of Lapham Road on a Friday morning.
 
All great points. One clarification - I don't believe there's such a thing as a parking permit/pass for everyday use at Waveny Park; anyone from any town might leave their car on the side of Lapham Road on a Friday morning.
Yes, no pass for Waveny/Irwin/Mead parks (need swimming pass for Kiwanis Park but that park hasn't played into this case so far and pass needed to enter Waveny Pool). Yes to pass for train station parking but there are limited day pass paid spots at station but they get taken quite early in the day IME.
 
I don’t worry too much about FD getting away completely. I bet he has a horrible singing voice and is universally reviled. At some point, he’s bound to run out of passports.

Despite looking Mahvelous and grizzly, so long as there is the political will to pursue parallel civil and criminal investigations for his mortgage fraud, deceptive business practices, tax evasion, money laundering/offshoring, failure to file required corporate forms, personal use of business funds/ underreporting of income, forgery, breach of contract, crimes of fashion, interference with official investigations, contempt of court, wrongful death, license plate tampering, conspiracy, violations of conditions of bail, not returning all those dictionaries to the local library, aggravated unapproved use of Hartford public trash recepticals for medical and/or human and corporate household waste disposal outside location of origin, employment of undocumented workers, elder abuse, terroristic threats/harassment, abuse of judicial process, shameless staging of properties for sale, failure to make required residential real estate seller disclosures, being super creepy, and not letting Jennifer have her own bathroom, personal use of corporate assets, illegal parking at Waveny, questionable choice in lawyers, unauthorized commingling of personal and business assets, failure to submit to court ordered body cavity testing (that one I just made up, but I can dream, can’t I?), among other crimes.

FD is a washed up nobody. He’s a faker and poser. Maybe he’s pooped out a few blood diamonds for Miss Thing, but she must have been bummed about her disinvitation from her daughter’s graduation, if she even boo hooed at all, which is not really even clear. Is it allergy season in NC? Did she miss that awesome fire pit and butlers pantry? Who can say? Norm is no Atticus Finch.

Okay, so we know FD’s a bad driver. He likes to run over or just randomly hit dear or deer or whatever. He likes to play chicken and to bait and switch and to fan fires. Did mistery or misery guest witness from Greece show up yet? Wasn’t the alleged witness due to arrive Ct on Thursday? Will all be revealed?

Maybe I missed that thread?

I wouldn’t get too distracted by the loud banging at whatever house that was where the loud banging was May 25th. Probably there’s lots of loud banging that goes on all the time at all of FD’s properties — whether it’s the Robert Emmett Chambers, Jr. “rough sex” type stuff, sealing one’s estranged spouse into a metal drum, pushing grandma down the stairs, or tearing it up on the Peloton one sushi smoothie at a time — there’s just all manner of things that go on. So many knees. So little time.

We don’t know what we don’t know. But, yes, we do know what we do know. I think we can all agree that we know Fotis D will not be the one to receive the final rose of this Bachelorette season. I’m just sorry, Fotis, it’s just you, not MT.

Right about now is when we need an Onassis or Mosaic Security to come on the scene.

If a posse at the Saudi Embassy could do it, than why not FD? All it takes is one bone saw, a clean up crew, a cover up, and a lot of false press releases.

It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
No offense to all the very funny, very clever OPs here, but IMO, this post of @CarefullyTaught ‘s is the funniest post on all 12 Threads.

I love all the things out listed that FD is guilty of!

I wish I could say which is my favorite, the funniest... but there are too many!

Thank you, @CarefullyTaught , for your laugh out loud comments!

:D
 
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FD may never have thought to look up at the ceiling of the garage. If he hit her more than once then the blood and tissue could have been sprayed on the ceiling from the back swing of the weapon. Incidentally, we have only been talking about blood spatter but there could have been tissue in the spatter and that is how LE could know significant the assault was. Tissue could also have been found on the sponge and rags that went to Albany ave.

What perpetrator would have eyes even to see blood splatter in a garage? Many garages are dark unless the lighting is substantial. It looks like the house history goes back to 1976: 69 Welles Ln, New Canaan, CT 06840 - realtor.com® Probably was a teardown as the current sq. footage is over 7000, McMansion, which is a modern phenomenon.

Anyone who has tried to do a proper cleaning of a concrete floor realizes how difficult that is; and if there was blood splatter you would have to have a crew (Servicemaster motto, "like it never even happened"). So though the incomplete clean up may have appeared thorough, there was no way to do that in an hour or two.
 
Serious question:

Has anyone yet learned or confirmed the identity of the alleged alibi witness for FD who reportedly was to be arriving two days ago by plane to Ct from Greece?
Was that to be someone new besides the woman (niece?) he was photographed having sushi with last weekend? I wonder if she is still around keeping him company.
 
There were 2 motions filed on Friday I believe by FD/Pattis. Copies were posted earlier in the thread I think. Was trying to figure out if the divorce action was stayed due to the disappearance of JD whether the custody question would be heard in Family Court or if it would go back to Probate Court where GF was originally heard? If you could see what you think about the motion to disqualify GF too that would be so helpful as there were many questions and great concern expressed on behalf of GF in her custody battle for her grandchildren.

This article talks about the divorce case being halted but not the dismissal request for GF action: Fotis Dulos, estranged husband of Jennifer Farber Dulos, asks court to halt contentious divorce case as judge orders no contact between Dulos and his girlfriend Michelle Troconis

This article has link to docs for the original action by GF in Family Court: Lawyers for Dulos children, grandmother in court for custody status

It seems also that there is a motion to dismiss the controversial GAL Atty Meehan so that could perhaps impact any custody discussion by the court.

I can't access the first link because I'm past my free limit. I will try on a different computer. Does it have the motion to block grandma from the family law case? The motion to disqualify is as to FD's family law attorneys. By NP. Is there another motion to quash grandma's motion to intervene?

I've now been able to read the whole motion to intervene, thanks to you! Thanks so much!

It's a good motion. I do think she's stretching the bounds of "parent-like relationship" but there's something there the judge can hang her hat on. I mean I think the judge can give less weight to that element and more to the best interest and detriment standards, which are heavily in favor of the kids staying out of the custody of a father suspected of murdering their mom and who only had supervised visits to date.

I feel good about it.

I'd like to see FD's motion.

One thing I remain confused about is the probate case. It wasn't mentioned at all in this motion to intervene. I don't understand why. If grandma had been granted temporary custody via probate it should have been mentioned in her family law motion to intervene. And the news reports are confusing. In this one it says grandma is seeking temporary custody in probate court. That's dated 6-25-19. I thought she already had it?

As search for New Canaan mother of five Jennifer Farber Dulos ends at Hartford trash plant, her contentious divorce and custody battle with estranged husband escalates

This is making me think there hasn't been a guardianship decision.

Right now, family court is the proper jurisdiction IMO. Jennifer being missing doesn't mean the case at large is automatically halted. Certain aspects would probably be so. Probably finalization of the divorce. But grandma has power of attorney over Jennifer so she may be able to stand in her shoes on a lot of issues. I'm not sure.

And since grandma is seeking to intervene, if her motion is granted the custody aspects will move forward and can be heard by the judge in Jennifer's absence.

It's certainly complicated.
 
No offense to all the very funny, very clever OPs here, but IMO, this post of @CarefullyTaught ‘s is the funniest post on all 12 Threads.

I love all the things out listed that FD is guilty of!

I wish I could say which is my favorite, the funniest... but there are too many!

Thank you, @CarefullyTaught , for your laugh out loud comments!

:D

Expect a made for TV movie eventually, with some nefarious character playing FD with a thick foreign accent, and some changeling type sleazy lawyer playing Pattis, Randy Quaid?
 
I can't access the first link because I'm past my free limit. I will try on a different computer. Does it have the motion to block grandma from the family law case? The motion to disqualify is as to FD's family law attorneys. By NP. Is there another motion to quash grandma's motion to intervene?

I've now been able to read the whole motion to intervene, thanks to you! Thanks so much!

It's a good motion. I do think she's stretching the bounds of "parent-like relationship" but there's something there the judge can hang her hat on. I mean I think the judge can give less weight to that element and more to the best interest and detriment standards, which are heavily in favor of the kids staying out of the custody of a father suspected of murdering their mom and who only had supervised visits to date.

I feel good about it.

I'd like to see FD's motion.

One thing I remain confused about is the probate case. It wasn't mentioned at all in this motion to intervene. I don't understand why. If grandma had been granted temporary custody via probate it should have been mentioned in her family law motion to intervene. And the news reports are confusing. In this one it says grandma is seeking temporary custody in probate court. That's dated 6-25-19. I thought she already had it?

As search for New Canaan mother of five Jennifer Farber Dulos ends at Hartford trash plant, her contentious divorce and custody battle with estranged husband escalates

This is making me think there hasn't been a guardianship decision.

Right now, family court is the proper jurisdiction IMO. Jennifer being missing doesn't mean the case at large is automatically halted. Certain aspects would probably be so. Probably finalization of the divorce. But grandma has power of attorney over Jennifer so she may be able to stand in her shoes on a lot of issues. I'm not sure.

And since grandma is seeking to intervene, if her motion is granted the custody aspects will move forward and can be heard by the judge in Jennifer's absence.

It's certainly complicated.

Thank you for all your hard work and input on the interplay of these motions and forums, @gitana1 !

I wondered if part of what NP wanted to stay was the motion for contempt and for sanctions as well as to clarify the conditions of release on bond — if for nothing else, than simply for the optics of it. Norm may be even more concerned than his client here about the optics.

For FD, I suspect it’s all about instant gratification — getting FD’s voice out there despite instructions to remain silent. FD doesn’t really want the kids IMO — he wants control of the kids or the risk of this as a bargaining chip to get the Farbers to back off and fork over the trust funds as well as pay him (lol) child support and spousal support. Ideally, as soon as he could work this, FD would prefer himself to be fully exonerated, for public apologies to be given, for him to have JD declared dead and him cash in on her life insurance proceeds, etc.

Oh to be a fly on the wall at that contempt and sanctions hearing....

JMO/MOO/IMO

Justice for Jennifer!!
 
Expect a made for TV movie eventually, with some nefarious character playing FD with a thick foreign accent, and some changeling type sleazy lawyer playing Pattis, Randy Quaid?

I’d like for Jerry Lundergard a/k/a William H. Macy or Michael Sottile to play Faux Dulos.

For Norm Pattis, I was thinking Joe Pesche or Steve Buscemi.
 
I don’t worry too much about FD getting away completely. I bet he has a horrible singing voice and is universally reviled. At some point, he’s bound to run out of passports.

Despite looking Mahvelous and grizzly, so long as there is the political will to pursue parallel civil and criminal investigations for his mortgage fraud, deceptive business practices, tax evasion, money laundering/offshoring, failure to file required corporate forms, personal use of business funds/ underreporting of income, forgery, breach of contract, crimes of fashion, interference with official investigations, contempt of court, wrongful death, license plate tampering, conspiracy, violations of conditions of bail, not returning all those dictionaries to the local library, aggravated unapproved use of Hartford public trash recepticals for medical and/or human and corporate household waste disposal outside location of origin, employment of undocumented workers, elder abuse, terroristic threats/harassment, abuse of judicial process, shameless staging of properties for sale, failure to make required residential real estate seller disclosures, being super creepy, and not letting Jennifer have her own bathroom, personal use of corporate assets, illegal parking at Waveny, questionable choice in lawyers, unauthorized commingling of personal and business assets, failure to submit to court ordered body cavity testing (that one I just made up, but I can dream, can’t I?), among other crimes.

FD is a washed up nobody. He’s a faker and poser. Maybe he’s pooped out a few blood diamonds for Miss Thing, but she must have been bummed about her disinvitation from her daughter’s graduation, if she even boo hooed at all, which is not really even clear. Is it allergy season in NC? Did she miss that awesome fire pit and butlers pantry? Who can say? Norm is no Atticus Finch.

Okay, so we know FD’s a bad driver. He likes to run over or just randomly hit dear or deer or whatever. He likes to play chicken and to bait and switch and to fan fires. Did mistery or misery guest witness from Greece show up yet? Wasn’t the alleged witness due to arrive Ct on Thursday? Will all be revealed?

Maybe I missed that thread?

I wouldn’t get too distracted by the loud banging at whatever house that was where the loud banging was May 25th. Probably there’s lots of loud banging that goes on all the time at all of FD’s properties — whether it’s the Robert Emmett Chambers, Jr. “rough sex” type stuff, sealing one’s estranged spouse into a metal drum, pushing grandma down the stairs, or tearing it up on the Peloton one sushi smoothie at a time — there’s just all manner of things that go on. So many knees. So little time.

We don’t know what we don’t know. But, yes, we do know what we do know. I think we can all agree that we know Fotis D will not be the one to receive the final rose of this Bachelorette season. I’m just sorry, Fotis, it’s just you, not MT.

Right about now is when we need an Onassis or Mosaic Security to come on the scene.

If a posse at the Saudi Embassy could do it, than why not FD? All it takes is one bone saw, a clean up crew, a cover up, and a lot of false press releases.

It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

Phenomenal!!!!!!!
 
No offense to all the very funny, very clever OPs here, but IMO, this post of @CarefullyTaught ‘s is the funniest post on all 12 Threads.

I love all the things out listed that FD is guilty of!

I wish I could say which is my favorite, the funniest... but there are too many!

Thank you, @CarefullyTaught , for your laugh out loud comments!

:D

Thank you, @peace9274 !

I’m sure I forgot some of the dastardly Dulos’s criminal deeds, so please feel free anyone to pile on anything I’ve omitted from our running list, just to help our FBI, HSA, NSA, ICE, NLRB, EEOC, IRS, BBB, and LE friends with their work.

Hoping Jennifer’s story and the Farber family’s struggle for justice for her and her children stays in the news and picks up more coverage, especially internationally, so that more witnesses and victims of his doubtless lifetime of pervasive deceitful, criminal, and predatory conduct in all areas of his academic, entrepreneurial, social, legal, economic, and interpersonal dealings comes to light!

I’d bet he’s a really lousy tipper too. He just seems the type.

The kind of dude who would punch out a parking garage attended at his in-laws Fifth Avenue condo just about says it all, doesn’t it?

I sure hope that the statute of limitations hasn’t run out on that one either.

The prior bad acts evidence testimony post conviction for this guy in Jennifer’s murder trial is going to be absolutely extensive.

They’re going to need a bigger boat for this trial, if you know what I mean...
 
Was that to be someone new besides the woman (niece?) he was photographed having sushi with last weekend? I wonder if she is still around keeping him company.

IMO, the Niece is here to take custody of the children.

IMO, leave the children where they are with GF.

However, IF, FD can convince the judge to give the children to his niece, then he would have control over them.

I would be concerned that the Niece would take them out of the country.

I would surely hope, that the judge would request ALL passports to be submitted, including the Greek passports he threatened to procure.
 
Knowing the lay of the land as you do,

<rsbm>

unfortunately, my geographical knowledge is just too scattered. I figured out from something you said that the field on the other side of the fence at school was the edge of Waveny Manor. Note I say Manor, this was a family's home at the time. Vacant, I believe, but not yet a public facility.

I can place some locations in town, but even on Google Maps have trouble navigating between them. I'm familiar with St. Mark's because our Girl Scout troop met there, but am not sure how to drive to our house from there. I'll try the school bus route again.

We moved the school year after Mary Mount's death, 1970.

Would that I could be more help!
 
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