Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #15 *ARRESTS*

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My thoughts are that 1. The financial picture coming down on him and he likely couldn’t hold out much longer keeping info from the court and 2. The supervised visits were going on less than 2 months as judge Heller states in her decision. They were not only supervising visits but no phone text etc contact, no private contact or conversation at the visit, no speaking another language at the visit. As you stated before gitana, this is highly unusual in divorce proceedings and more on par from what I’ve seen in a DCF(dept of children & Families) case. I’ve really only seen this with severely mentally ill parents who are in process of having their parental rights terminated. Knowing that he can’t stand losing and he was losing big time, his anger let loose and he completed his revenge fantasy.

Very good analysis. Could anyone please refresh my memory about why such harsh conditions were imposed on FD’s visitation with his children... or where I can find that information. Was FD physically abusive to them? If so, it must have been extreme. (all I can remember is he made them water-ski but that surely is not the reason) It troubles me to think that visitation with his children was so harsh/unbearable that it would send FD over the edge and kill their mother. I’m not saying that wasn't one of the reasons. I’d just like to know exactly what made the family court judge decide he’s a menace to his children. TIA
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

JUST IN: Attorney Norm Pattis has released a statement in response to Judge Heller’s decision yesterday.

“Fotis misses his children deeply. The irresponsible manner in which the state has proceeded against him is costing his children the chance for a real relationship with a man who loves them deeply. This is a travesty of justice. We are evaluating his appellate options.”


Marissa Alter

Great job, Norm. How about the fact that your client/their father cost his children the chance for a real relationship with a woman who loves them deeply? Every time this guy speaks I despise him more than I previously had thought was possible. JMO
 
I agree. I think he will try to run. That’s why he wants the monitor moved to his wrist so he can take it off easier. Thinking....what can a person do to make his wrists swell? Have the monitor put on the wrist, leaves monitoring center, goes home, stops doing whatever he was doing to make the wrists swell, the swelling goes down, slips monitor off and leaves. Like I said before, put it on a cat or dog in the house so it looks like he is moving around in the house OR take it off as he ‘goes to bed’, leaves it on the bed as ‘if sleeping’ and leaves. He could get a 6 hour head start. Bet he has fake passport already waiting somewhere.

Taking the kids would be a burden, slow him down, and he could not hide as easy. Also, 5 kids would cost him more when escaping.

This case is so bizarre anything can happen.

Like WS has said in the past, Follow the Money and gitana1 and others mentioned above....money.

If he can't wear the monitor on his ankle due to "chafing" then he can go back to jail. Those are the choices I would give him if I was the judge.
 
I wondered the same thing. I think maybe it took the bank a while to notify GF that the mortgage and escrow for taxes was in arrears, so maybe the payments are not up to date yet? Or maybe it is some sort of trick GF is playing (never totally catching the payments up) so that FD can be forced out of the house by the bank? I don’t really know if it could work that way; but yeah, it was confusing to me, too.

I think it went into foreclosure so she began (GF) to pay in order to catch up.
 
I don't see the judge moving that ankle bracelet-they are placed on the ankle for a reason and whatever agency is monitoring it will tell the judge that wrist placement will affect its function. This is a ploy to get the thing removed altogether IMO, but I cannot imagine that happening. FD is just too much of a flight risk. Of course, the judge could respond,"If Mr. Dulos is so bothered by his ankle bracelet, I will order it removed. There is ample room in the county jail, where he will not have to worry about being chafed by it." NP better be careful what he asks for...

Exactly!
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

JUST IN: Attorney Norm Pattis has released a statement in response to Judge Heller’s decision yesterday.

“Fotis misses his children deeply. The irresponsible manner in which the state has proceeded against him is costing his children the chance for a real relationship with a man who loves them deeply. This is a travesty of justice. We are evaluating his appellate options.”


Marissa Alter

Such a blow hard.
 
Running to Greece won’t help him unless he goes into hiding there, changes facial features and avoids family. USA and Greece signed an extradition treaty in the early 1930’s.
He had it made in the shade. What an utterly total waste of human lives. I don’t get it even if he does. Guess that makes “normal” sense. As opposed to his logic being “abnormal.”
He rolled the dice. And lost it all.

I’ve been so sad for those wonderful children, Farbers, all her closest friends, and acquaintances since the beginning. But today? Sadness came over me this morning, for him. Don’t know why. I guess bc he’s another grizzly symptom of the moral demise of our society. Like Rome fell from within. Not invading enemies. WS isn’t a soapbox, no need to continue.

We've had nasty narcissists in every society since the beginning of recorded history.
 
GF has not paid the mortgage for 4JC since the Fall of 2018. I understand that FD has not paid the mortgage since JD left in June of 2017. GF paid for over a year to protect the asset for JD and the children. I am glad that she chose to let go of 4JC and FD is about to be Evicted!

Ah. That makes sense.
 
I don't see the judge moving that ankle bracelet-they are placed on the ankle for a reason and whatever agency is monitoring it will tell the judge that wrist placement will affect its function. This is a ploy to get the thing removed altogether IMO, but I cannot imagine that happening. FD is just too much of a flight risk. Of course, the judge could respond,"If Mr. Dulos is so bothered by his ankle bracelet, I will order it removed. There is ample room in the county jail, where he will not have to worry about being chafed by it." NP better be careful what he asks for...
IIRC regarding the device being moved to the wrist, I believe it was approved...the article stated. Ones I’ve seen are 3.5 x 2.5 and so they are not easily manipulated. At an apartment pool, I saw a couple of monitors on guys who were swimming with them. They are bulky but weigh less than a pound. JMO
 
Great job, Norm. How about the fact that your client/their father cost his children the chance for a real relationship with a woman who loves them deeply? Every time this guy speaks I despise him more than I previously had thought was possible. JMO

ITA! FD is such a moron to think NP is actually helping him with his asinine theories, motions and statements! IMO he’s more of a hinderance than a help! Ha! Look who’s hindering now! Keep at it NP, you’re helping JD’s case!
 
IIRC regarding the device being moved to the wrist, I believe it was approved...the article stated. Ones I’ve seen are 3.5 x 2.5 and so they are not easily manipulated. At an apartment pool, I saw a couple of monitors on guys who were swimming with them. They are bulky but weigh less than a pound. JMO
I found the article....the monitoring company agreed to his wearing it on his wrist; it wasn’t the court agreeing.
 
No case Norman is “underwhelmed.”

Apparently the CDs are grainy...

His last sentence “We think the state should put up or shut up.”

I’m sure LE is threatened by you ponytail!

Interesting tidbit of video of MT.

Of course NP is downplaying the surveillance of the trash dump but is pleased with the surveillance of MT, how convenient.

Jennifer Dulos case: No ‘clear video’ of Fotis dumping bags, Pattis says
Oh boy, No Case Norm. Sometimes reading these articles I wonder if Pattis has a media specialist or PR expert on his staff or payroll? Or, perhaps he thinks he is a PR maven?

This latest article looks like another pony tail/hair flip/toddler temper tantrum IMO about discovery speed etc.!

Yawn.....

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“We remain confident and we understand why the state looks at Mr. Dulos as a suspect,” Pattis said. “With the passage of every week, I think it becomes more difficult to sustain the suspicion in a responsible form. We think the state should either put up or shut up.”

Absolutely love the assumption/lack of basic logic IMO that the more time passes that it become more difficult to sustain suspicion! Really? LE is just waiting for forensic evidence results to return so just hold on to your ponytail Atty Pattis and all the discovery will be dumped into your offices in due course!

The 'put up or shut up' comment IMO is actually a classic bully phrase with its aggressive tone. Given that Atty Pattis will have to work with the State on this case its unclear how setting such a bullying tone this early in the case before discovery has really fully kicked off will serve his client well in the long run? I had hopes when listening to Pattis talk about learning lessons from his prior case with the States Atty (discussed on the AJ morning radio show with link in prior thread) that he would work on a more collaborative collegial basis. But, it looks like this ship has sailed and no lessons were learned and Atty Pattis has his shotgun out and is willing to shoot anyone in his path that doesn't do what he needs to have happen. Sad state of affairs IMO.

The Atty Pattis statement about blurry CCTV is also interesting as its unclear to me that in order to get a conviction that the Court needs crystal clear footage but that will be in the hands of the court and the jury IMO.


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"The CDs did include video of Troconis at a store in Farmington around 10 a.m. May 24, Pattis said, indicating she could not have been in New Canaan when Jennifer Dulos went missing. Pattis has called for the charges to be dropped against Troconis, who he claims can provide an alibi for his client".

This quote is curious to me as again its Atty Pattis talking about MT who is not his client and says zero about where his client FD was at 10am. For some reason Atty Pattis is spending very little time IMO actually speaking about FD who so far as we know IS HIS CLIENT. Where was FD on the 23rd and 24th Atty Pattis?


Just seems like IMO the more Atty Pattis talks the more guilty he is making his client seem or perhaps that is his goal and that a simpleton like myself simply isn't 'getting' the Pattis strategy for defending FD? I raise my hand and officially say that I don't get the Pattis strategy unless its goal is to confuse the scenario such that people actually forget that his client is FD!

MOO
 
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Judge Heller is under the microscope for what has been ruled on the last two years. EVERYONE is watching to make sure the rulings are perfect, with no more slack for FD. Yes, 20/20 in hind sight for sure, but even while various documents were flying back and forth, perhaps she should have exercised a much firmer grip on everyone involved in the case. It seems like it just was going along, with all the time in the world.
First time no financial records? One pass. Second time? go home, bring them back. I’ll send the bailiff with you to make sure you come back promptly. We’ll stand in recess until you return at 1:30 this afternoon with the documents. And the familiar “all rise”, everyone stands up and the judge retires to her chambers.
JMHO. No use for a dead beat parent. Note: parent.

This is how laymen feel things should be. But that's just not how it works. And it can't. We have due process in this country and unfortunately it can take awhile.

Both parties in this case litigated aggressively filing hundreds of motions. I assume FD was the bad actor and many of her motions were responsive to his behavior but it can be difficult for the court to know who is right in a he said she said case. Until evidence starts to come out.

Again, it appears that custody took center stage, as it should have, and so many of the financial issues and discovery problems were likely delayed while they sorted out custody first.

As I have said repeatedly, I see not one thing that the judge has done wrong in this case or could have done better. It's easy to armchair quarterback.

There is a process to discovery. And it's not simple. Someone might respond that they don't have further documents or don't have access. So the party requesting the information files a motion to compel believing they are lying. But they have to have proof that the other party has more information or access.

Sometimes they find that proof via other means like subpoenas. It by examining the documents that have been produced. Then they can seek more sanctions or bring it back to the attention of the court.

Also, documents aren't produced at court in the typical discovery process. (Except via certain subpoenas). They're served on each other prior to hearings or trial. Or they're produced outside of court in depositions.

Finally, I have no dog in this particular fight. I'm a family law attorney who often has to fight against the limitations of the system and deal with systemic inequities or occasionally judges who are unjust. (Only a couple times in my career for the latter).

I am well aware of how the system works and how it can be abused by wealthy and aggressive litigants.

I don't know Judge Heller from Adam. But I am able to review some of the process these people have gone through and the records or at least lists of records available. And determine the judge seemed to have adequate control. She did what she could do. She issued rulings with serious consequences for FD and so far there is not one hint that she didn't know what she was doing or could have done something better.

The idea that discovery issues are going to come before the judge in the manner that you suggested or that she would be able to simply order him to go home or to his office with a bailiff and bring back documents before she stands and leaves the courtroom with flourish, betrays a bit of a lack of understanding of the process, the court calendar and system or how documents are kept. For example, some of the documents may be bank records for an account a party failed to disclose. Even if the other side discovered evidence of the existence of that account, the account holder probably can't just dash back to his office and obtain records. Many people don't keep hard copies and he might have to make a request from the bank or even subpoena statements himself depending on how far back the request goes, because banks don't typically keep records easily accessible to clients past a year or so.

I'm not sure why I keep seeing so many posters intent on casting blame against the family law judge in this case for various aspects of it or criticizing her in various ways for her handling of it. All I have seen have been well thought out and serious decisions on her part that evidence an unwillingness to be influenced by money or status and that are child-centered.

Judges are not gods. And this is not a Judge Judy show. It's a complex and often quite frustrating process.

Maybe it's just our human nature to try to find ways such tragedies could be prevented in the first place? We all do that I guess in various ways.
 
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