Silver Alert CT- Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #4 *ARRESTS*

[Rosiebones]

If MT helped plan this and went down with him to NC whether it was early that morning or the night before (which is unlikely) who got her daughter off to school ? If they did go down the night before where did they stay? Would be easy to check.

The plates that were altered must have been at 4 Jefferson Crossing because JD would not have stopped to get them the day she left with the kids. So, they were not very likely at her house on Welles for him to pick up and alter and put on a vehicle. If it can be established when and on which vehicle they were used in their altered state, it would go far to prove premeditation and pr-planning.

I know that a source reported that she left the garage door open when she came back from dropping the kids off at school but it is clear that the garage doors cannot be seen from the street because they are on the end of the house. So who is the source?

 

[indicolite22]

By all accounts the girlfriend had an upbringing of privilege and opportunity, yet no social community. Regardless, this wench saw nothing beyond money for fun and she apparently had no concern for casualties.

I'm not sure we know enough to comment on her social community and I don't think it is relevant. There are quite a few people with similar lifestyles, yet they never become criminals.

 

[peace9274]

This entry was in response to the person that asked if anyone saw a scenario where JD is still alive. WS has been having major system issues tonight so the quote from the OP wouldn't post. Sorry for that!

Will try. From the beginning I wondered if there wasn't some discussion between FD and JD that escalated into something physical and violent but that didn't end with the death of JD. This discussion/assault took place in the garage of JD house or possibly Waveny after a quick morning run. I wondered if the fight happened and FD and MT took the no doubt battered but alive JD to some location to use her as leverage to negotiate with Mrs. Farber under some kind of kidnapping gone wrong scenario.

What didn't make sense to me about the killing JD scenario is how did FD expect to get anything with JD dead? He probably wanted the children in order to get support payments from any trusts etc. but it seems improbable that he would go from supervised visitation to primary caregiver even with JD death IMO. JD had money but it was in trust and probably the only player in this group with access to cash/assets with liquidity was Mrs. Farber IMO.

Unless there is some provision in prenup (no info on this so far either) or will (no info on this so far either) that would make JD worth more dead than alive to FD then doing away with JD makes little financial sense to me. Under this scenario the idea is that FD and MT took the badly injured JD to some location where she is/was being held. When the news first broke about Albany Street I wondered if FD/MT had stashed JD in an apt in the area but that didn't seem to be the case. But I am also not sure we or LE knows all the properties that FD/MT had access to in CT where they could have put the injured and now presumed dead JD.

The longer the case went on though it became clear that money was a logical motive but the issue of rage also developed as a good possible motive too IMO. FD had been effectively in battle with JD in court for nearly 2 years with 500+ court documents filed and there was no way he would be able to win IMO as JD had access to cash to continue for a lot longer than FD could.

FD had effectively lost everything he had built and was living in a house that was shortly to go to foreclosure with a woman that he most likely picked as his next victim. For whatever reason he couldn't let go of the situation with JD and continued to fight on but there really was no way for him to prevail as he was the weaker character in the battle financially. MOO

Great post, as usual, @afitzy! Giving us a lot to think about!

This is my response to the OP asking for thoughts on whether Jennifer could be alive. I think a lot about the banging of metal at the Fore House in New Canaan.

I’m not sure if it’s because I have 2 sons in the film and tv business and thus I keep thinking about what happened to Jennifer, about how this case will end and how a movie would be written & filmed.

Anyway, IMO, I think that FD and MT camped out at the Fore Group owned house in New Canaan Thursday night (or maybe stayed at a hotel near New Canaan - NC doesn’t have hotels/motels or didn’t used to).

Regardless where they slept, they prepared the property or something at the property to take JD there after abducting/kidnapping/harming her on Friday morning.

Whatever happened, whatever they did to Jennifer at her NC rental home on Welles Rd, it’s obvious, IMO, that something went wrong. Something, unexpectedly, caused JD to lose a large amount of blood. FD and MT attempted to clean up the blood, but may have been interrupted by the maid’s arrival & (no, never mind, that part doesn’t work).

Anyway, according to my theory of JD being alive... she was taken, unconsciously, by FD & MT to the Fore house in NC, where she was placed inside a metal drum and left for dead. And where they’d return later to take care of JD’s body & the drum.

FD & MT then went to do whatever they did in Farmington and then to Hartford to get rid of 30 bags and a Fed Ex box containing altered plates.

During the evening/night they purchased/obtained chemicals. Before arriving at the NC property, early the next morning, Jennifer “came to” and began banging on the metal drum trying to get out or to get help.

However, due to the amount of blood loss and her other injuries, she died. FD & MT returned to Fore Group NC house with the chemicals and poured them into the metal drum (ala Breaking Bad) that contained Jennifer’s body and then drove it to a body of water and, after applying weights, threw it in the water.

Or maybe they buried it.

OK I just realized it’s after 2am, I’m tired and I’m rambling! All the above is MOO!

 

[afitzy]

Some good graphics from NBC CT on the various KEY locations mentioned in the case:

Key Locations in the Jennifer Dulos Case

 

[Jmoose]

Completely agree. Wonder if the Farbers even knew that their 'quote' made it to the FORE Group website?

I think FD wrote all of the quotes, and it appears that you do, too.

 

[indicolite22]

The plates that were altered must have been at 4 Jefferson Crossing because JD would not have stopped to get them the day she left with the kids. So, they were not very likely at her house on Welles for him to pick up and alter and put on a vehicle. If it can be established when and on which vehicle they were used in their altered state, it would go far to prove premeditation and pr-planning.

The plates expired in 2007 and JD moved house in 2017, so she would definitely not take the plates with her.

 

[Rosiebones]

The plates expired in 2007 and JD moved house in 2017, so she would definitely not take the plates with her.

Yep, so they had to be at JC, there was no other place they could have been. So he either altered them before he left, in preparation, and put them on the vehicle he drove down to her house and the only reason to do that is that he intended to do the deed cleanly, a quick in and out, and dispose of her body on the way back to JC. He may have been intending to use the Merritt Parkway and figured he was fooling the traffic cams.
Or, he used his own plates to go down and kill her and had to take her back to Mt. Spring home, so he picked up the plates at JC went to Mt, Springs, left the phone on the table and put the plates on the vehicle and disposed of her body. He came back, changed plates and picked up the phone went back to JC, cleaned up and went to Htfd. and tossed them in the sewer.

So, altering the plates seems to me to be really important in the disposal of her body. Other than the Merritt Parkway where else would have traffic cams that he would want to fool.

As you can tell, I am obsessed with the when, why and where of the use of these plates. MOO MOO

 

[BUF]

Yep, so they had to be at JC, there was no other place they could have been. So he either altered them before he left, in preparation, and put them on the vehicle he drove down to her house and the only reason to do that is that he intended to do the deed cleanly, a quick in and out, and dispose of her body on the way back to JC. He may have been intending to use the Merritt Parkway and figured he was fooling the traffic cams.
Or, he used his own plates to go down and kill her and had to take her back to Mt. Spring home, so he picked up the plates at JC went to Mt, Springs, left the phone on the table and put the plates on the vehicle and disposed of her body. He came back, changed plates and picked up the phone went back to JC, cleaned up and went to Htfd. and tossed them in the sewer.

So, altering the plates seems to me to be really important in the disposal of her body. Other than the Merritt Parkway where else would have traffic cams that he would want to fool.

As you can tell, I am obsessed with the when, why and where of the use of these plates.

I agree those license plates are a big issue...it shows premeditation. JD would not have kept those expired plates and moved them to her house in NC. He would have brought the doctored expired license plates with him from the house that he was living at in Framingham prior to the murder.

MOO

 

[Rosiebones]

I agree those license plates are a big issue...it shows premeditation. JD would not have kept those expired plates and moved them to her house in NC. He would have brought the doctored expired license plates with him from the house that he was living at in Framingham prior to the murder.

MOO[/QUOTE
Why do you think he would have brought them down to her house and changed them there?
Why might he put them on before he drove down so they were on when he arrived at her house?
'Why might he have stopped by JC after and picked them up and put them on while at the Mt. Spring house?

So many whys and for me it all has to do with hiding the vehicle that he used to dispose of her body.

 

[Rosiebones]

I also think that FD's phone spent two hours at the Mt. Spring home and FD did not. He was elsewhere.

 

[Rosiebones]

If this was truly premeditated and pre planned and he spent time in the previous weeks digging a grave etc. why didn't he just put all the bloody bags in there with her and be done with it?
Since he didn't, I am inclined to think he put her in a body of water he was familiar with. He wouldn't have been able to dispose of the bags the same way though, hence the trip to Hartford. I don't think the trip to Htfd. was part of the original plan, it was a last minute necessity therefore it was sloppy and stupid.

 

[Sconnie]

Some good graphics from NBC CT on the various KEY locations mentioned in the case:

Key Locations in the Jennifer Dulos Case

I really hope she isn’t scattered in these locations, like the bags of garbage in Hartford. It would explain why things are taking such a long time.

Please let today be the day...

Edited for clarification

 

[happyperson]

If this was truly premeditated and pre planned and he spent time in the previous weeks digging a grave etc. why didn't he just put all the bloody bags in there with her and be done with it?
Since he didn't, I am inclined to think he put her in a body of water he was familiar with. He wouldn't have been able to dispose of the bags the same way though, hence the trip to Hartford. I don't think the trip to Htfd. was part of the original plan, it was a last minute necessity therefore it was sloppy and stupid.

there is a decent sized pond on the most direct route from FD jefferson Xing house to Albany Avenue in Hartford. Although its not as secluded as i would imagine he would want it to get rid of evidence, it could easily hide something. Ely Pond on deercliff road. Place to pull off the road as well.

 

[Rosiebones]

there is a decent sized pond on the most direct route from FD jefferson Xing house to Albany Avenue in Hartford. Although its not as secluded as i would imagine he would want it to get rid of evidence, it could easily hide something. Ely Pond on deercliff road. Place to pull off the road as well.

Isn't Deercliff Road where he built a home for his mother and where she died? If so, he may be very familiar with it. Good sleuth.

 

[Sconnie]

I also think that FD's phone spent two hours at the Mt. Spring home and FD did not. He was elsewhere.

I go back and forth with this one. On the one hand it makes sense, on the other, I feel like this property is secluded enough that he could do whatever he needed to do without being observed.

Can you imagine having to take care of this all in the daylight areas? How did he do it?

 

[Laughing]

Wahackme is a horrible street name

Behind, but when locations in this area are non English words such as Wahackme, the word is most likely a transliteration of a Native American term.

I can't come up with another example right now. The history is a mix of Native American, early British settlers, and more recent groups.

Weed Street is named for a family, looks like you can still pick up building supplies at the current iteration of the Weed & Duryea Lumber Yard.

(I only knew Silvermine as a restaurant, just another childhood memory now!)

 

[Rosiebones]

Another gruesome bit of information is that rigor mortis would have been totally set in by the afternoon hours and there is no way he could fold her into a smaller size unless she was already folded up in a fetal position from being in the trunk of a car. Geez, sometimes I am amazed at what I have learned from hanging around WS.

 

[sds71]

A former White House lawyer for both Bushes tried to kill his wife in front of their daughters on Wahackme

 

[SteveP]

Okay I know she is probably deceased but you are all good at theories. Can anyone give it a try and come up with a scenario where JD is still alive? Albeit injured?

I would like to think there is such a scenario, but I don't see one. Sadly, Jennifer Dulos is dead. I think we all know that. JMO

 

[BUF]

Great post, as usual, @afitzy! Giving us a lot to think about!

This is my response to the OP asking for thoughts on whether Jennifer could be alive. I think a lot about the banging of metal at the Fore House in New Canaan.

I’m not sure if it’s because I have 2 sons in the film and tv business and thus I keep thinking about what happened to Jennifer, about how this case will end and how a movie would be written & filmed.

Anyway, IMO, I think that FD and MT camped out at the Fore Group owned house in New Canaan Thursday night (or maybe stayed at a hotel near New Canaan - NC doesn’t have hotels/motels or didn’t used to).

Regardless where they slept, they prepared the property or something at the property to take JD there after abducting/kidnapping/harming her on Friday morning.

Whatever happened, whatever they did to Jennifer at her NC rental home on Welles Rd, it’s obvious, IMO, that something went wrong. Something, unexpectedly, caused JD to lose a large amount of blood. FD and MT attempted to clean up the blood, but may have been interrupted by the maid’s arrival & (no, never mind, that part doesn’t work).

Anyway, according to my theory of JD being alive... she was taken, unconsciously, by FD & MT to the Fore house in NC, where she was placed inside a metal drum and left for dead. And where they’d return later to take care of JD’s body & the drum.

FD & MT then went to do whatever they did in Farmington and then to Hartford to get rid of 30 bags and a Fed Ex box containing altered plates.

During the evening/night they purchased/obtained chemicals. Before arriving at the NC property, early the next morning, Jennifer “came to” and began banging on the metal drum trying to get out or to get help.

However, due to the amount of blood loss and her other injuries, she died. FD & MT returned to Fore Group NC house with the chemicals and poured them into the metal drum (ala Breaking Bad) that contained Jennifer’s body and then drove it to a body of water and, after applying weights, threw it in the water.

Or maybe they buried it.

OK I just realized it’s after 2am, I’m tired and I’m rambling! All the above is MOO!

I'm confused about the metal drum at the house.

Do you think it was his plan to dispose of her in that and he already had it at the house? Or could there have been one there for some construction purpose or he went out and got one after they brought her there?

What are your thoughts?