Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #17

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
@afitzy take a look at my previous post with the link to color coded trash collection areas. Albany is split between Thursday and Friday. Albany at Garden is Friday pick up. Scott’s is nearer Adams on Albany with a Thursday pick up.
I believe MOO that the confusion arose because of the article in the Courant by DA and DO. They incorrectly state the storm drain ( where the fedex package was found) was at Albany near Garden. But it was not. It was in front of Scott’s. So peeps think DD was diving in the can in front of Scott’s-in the can @thekirbyfamily took a photo of. But Scott’s isn’t at Albany and Garden!! It’s at 1344 Albany -which appears to be at least 10 blocks away? ( I also posted a photo of the search in the drain in front of Scott’s in an earlier thread).
MOO, and my logic only:
1. DD was at can at Albany near Garden.
2. Storm drain of LE search is in front of Scott’s
3 Courant article incorrectly puts storm drain at Garden and Albany.
4 People then incorrectly logic DD was at can by storm drain, which is can in front of Scott’s. The one in tkf photo
5. DD was at a different can at Garden and Albany.
6. Each can has a different pick up day, delayed by 1day AFTER Memorial Day.
Hope that helps.

So are you thinking the two are switched? The plates were found in drain near Scott's and the knife and pillow in can near Albany/Garden?
 
I have some thoughts on your questions. Long post, but here goes:

IMO, it was still light out around 7 pm when they drove through there on a Friday of a holiday weekend when a lot of people that work there either had the day off or were busy at home preparing to head out of town or to nearby lakes, rivers, or the beach for the weekend. Before night fell and local people came out for the evening to hang out.

Albany Ave is not heavily residential, IMO, and the people who do reside on it are probably impoverished and living in squalid conditions, hence, no one would think twice about people malingering, doing illegal stuff, or digging through trash cans like the man who said that's how he found the pillow and knife.

I think Occam's Razor still applies here, in that the simplest explanation was that FD picked that stretch of that part of the city to dispose of incriminating evidence because the crime rate is so high, and it is a 'forsaken' area where LE is not 'on the scene' unless they are responding to a 911 call. And people mind their own business, and are anti-police, anti-ratting on other people doing illicit things, etc.

It took this man over 2 months to come forward, and even then, he had been in jail, and said he traded the knife for crack, putting himself in even more potential trouble with the law by admitting that. I wonder if while he was in jail, he heard about the case, and had an aha moment that he may have some valuable information that could potentially help him look good to LE if he cooperated. I think this was the case because the MSM article said IIRC that LE approached him as he was coming out of jail. So they heard while he was in there what he told someone he had found.

As for FD being so smart and thinking ahead about being captured on video cameras and doing it on purpose, I just don't believe that is feasible. I think he was not smart, in a bit of panic mode, and just assumed nobody would think to look at videos along that corridor for someone dumping evidence of a crime committed 70 miles southeast of there in NC. The mistake they made was having their cell phones turned on so that LE could place them there and then go looking for video footage there. I think their phones were on because he was waiting for word from the children to confirm his visitation with them the next day, and/or to communicate with an accomplice. Also, because Hartford isn't far from where they lived in Farmington, they probably thought they could say if cell phone data placed them there, they could just say they had gone out for a bite to eat there. Criminals do stuff to trip themselves up, or as I've seen quoted by LE, something along the lines of "if criminals didn't do stupid stuff all the time, we would never catch any of them."

I don't think FD's 'smarts' were in the minute details, just the bigger picture: dispose of the bloody evidence 70 miles away from the wealthy, quiet, safe little town where JD went missing "while jogging at the park" (where they planted her car) in a sketchy, high crime part of a major city where no one would pay attention to what they were doing. To that point, no one came forward and said they saw them, even though they stopped 30 times over a 4 mile stretch while it was still daylight.

It was just their cell phone pings and the videos that LE located from Albany Ave based on those pings that tripped them up, and he wasn't expecting that she would be reported missing and LE would jump on it so soon and so some of the bloody evidence was still in the trashcans LE went through. He probably thought it was such a 'cleanly' executed crime that he would never be asked to give LE his cell phone or have search warrants on his properties, he really thought he would get away with it, and LE would have no reason to hone in on him. That is why I think FD looked like he did at the hearing -- he was surprised as all get out that LE had figured it out and found video and evidence 70 miles from where she went missing.

He was a dope about a lot of things for a lot of years in terms of the way he was outwardly abusive and threatening towards JD and the children, the refusal to comply with judge's orders during the divorce, defaulting on loans from his FIL, shady business practices, lying in court, enlisting his children to lie for him, etc. that were so obvious to other people, but never stopped him from trying to go after what he wanted before. He is that far 'out there' IMO, JD was given full physical custody, he wasn't allowed to be alone with his children or go to their school, and had been sanctioned by the court more than once for lying and breaking their orders. He is just a crazy, abusive, selfish, clueless criminal, bent on fleecing his wife's family, control and vengeance, not a criminal mastermind, IMO.

MOO and MOO and MOO
Wow! Very insightful. Bravo!
 
I am not sure they’re saying they cannot find FD; maybe they are knocking on his door, and he simply is refusing to answer. Don’t they have to actually hand it to you? I can definitely see him not answering the door for anyone, really. I mean, who does he want to see that wouldn’t just walk into the house?
The pizza guy?:D
 
Got it! I had the wrong Jamaican place on Albany which is closer to Garden but not right at the intersection.

DA said that he spent alot of time on Albany so I'm confused about how a detail like this could be wrong in the reporting as it seems clear once you lay it out the way you have above.

Has anyone emailed or tweeted him with your clearer explanation? You and @thekirbyfamily are on top of this issue 100% so think it makes sense to reach out to DA/DO with your questions. They are both great reporters so I am sure would welcome feedback. Here is link to DA: Dave Altimari - Hartford Courant

Top Taste Caribbean Bakery is on Albany one block before Garden. It's a very...we'll just say "interesting" place. I used to be scared to go into it but the owner is really nice. Ooh...maybe I should go have a little talkie with her. There are a few other Jamaican/Carabbean bakeries on Albany as well.
 
Last edited:
Got it! I had the wrong Jamaican place on Albany which is closer to Garden but not right at the intersection.

DA said that he spent alot of time on Albany so I'm confused about how a detail like this could be wrong in the reporting as it seems clear once you lay it out the way you have above.

Has anyone emailed or tweeted him with your clearer explanation? You and @thekirbyfamily are on top of this issue 100% so think it makes sense to reach out to DA/DO with your questions. They are both great reporters so I am sure would welcome feedback. Here is link to DA: Dave Altimari - Hartford Courant
I thought I’d take your suggestion and send an inquiry and ask for clarification. I opened the article again, to copy and paste accurately, and realized, with the numerous ads to scroll past, that I had missed a bottom portion of the article.

“Recalling his discovery while rummaging through trash on the weekend after Farber Dulos disappeared, the witness said the trash can was located near a convenience store on the corner of Albany and Garden.”

Let that sink in. Near a convenience store at Albany and Garden.....NOT in front of Scott’s. NOT near the storm drain. Cuz the storm drain is NOT at Albany and Garden as they reported. And they reported this DIRECTLY under the storm drain search photo in front of Scott’s. That my friends is why their claim of “sources” is hard to believe.
MOO What a colossal error.
 
So are you thinking the two are switched? The plates were found in drain near Scott's and the knife and pillow in can near Albany/Garden?
That's what is sounds like according to the theories you all have posted.

This is what is tripping me up. The arrest warrant says the license plates were near Albany/Garden:
 
I have some thoughts on your questions. Long post, but here goes:

IMO, it was still light out around 7 pm when they drove through there on a Friday of a holiday weekend when a lot of people that work there either had the day off or were busy at home preparing to head out of town or to nearby lakes, rivers, or the beach for the weekend. Before night fell and local people came out for the evening to hang out.

Albany Ave is not heavily residential, IMO, and the people who do reside on it are probably impoverished and living in squalid conditions, hence, no one would think twice about people malingering, doing illegal stuff, or digging through trash cans like the man who said that's how he found the pillow and knife.

I think Occam's Razor still applies here, in that the simplest explanation was that FD picked that stretch of that part of the city to dispose of incriminating evidence because the crime rate is so high, and it is a 'forsaken' area where LE is not 'on the scene' unless they are responding to a 911 call. And people mind their own business, and are anti-police, anti-ratting on other people doing illicit things, etc.

It took this man over 2 months to come forward, and even then, he had been in jail, and said he traded the knife for crack, putting himself in even more potential trouble with the law by admitting that. I wonder if while he was in jail, he heard about the case, and had an aha moment that he may have some valuable information that could potentially help him look good to LE if he cooperated. I think this was the case because the MSM article said IIRC that LE approached him as he was coming out of jail. So they heard while he was in there what he told someone he had found.

As for FD being so smart and thinking ahead about being captured on video cameras and doing it on purpose, I just don't believe that is feasible. I think he was not smart, in a bit of panic mode, and just assumed nobody would think to look at videos along that corridor for someone dumping evidence of a crime committed 70 miles southeast of there in NC. The mistake they made was having their cell phones turned on so that LE could place them there and then go looking for video footage there. I think their phones were on because he was waiting for word from the children to confirm his visitation with them the next day, and/or to communicate with an accomplice. Also, because Hartford isn't far from where they lived in Farmington, they probably thought they could say if cell phone data placed them there, they could just say they had gone out for a bite to eat there. Criminals do stuff to trip themselves up, or as I've seen quoted by LE, something along the lines of "if criminals didn't do stupid stuff all the time, we would never catch any of them."

I don't think FD's 'smarts' were in the minute details, just the bigger picture: dispose of the bloody evidence 70 miles away from the wealthy, quiet, safe little town where JD went missing "while jogging at the park" (where they planted her car) in a sketchy, high crime part of a major city where no one would pay attention to what they were doing. To that point, no one came forward and said they saw them, even though they stopped 30 times over a 4 mile stretch while it was still daylight.

It was just their cell phone pings and the videos that LE located from Albany Ave based on those pings that tripped them up, and he wasn't expecting that she would be reported missing and LE would jump on it so soon and so some of the bloody evidence was still in the trashcans LE went through. He probably thought it was such a 'cleanly' executed crime that he would never be asked to give LE his cell phone or have search warrants on his properties, he really thought he would get away with it, and LE would have no reason to hone in on him. That is why I think FD looked like he did at the hearing -- he was surprised as all get out that LE had figured it out and found video and evidence 70 miles from where she went missing.

He was a dope about a lot of things for a lot of years in terms of the way he was outwardly abusive and threatening towards JD and the children, the refusal to comply with judge's orders during the divorce, defaulting on loans from his FIL, shady business practices, lying in court, enlisting his children to lie for him, etc. that were so obvious to other people, but never stopped him from trying to go after what he wanted before. He is that far 'out there' IMO, JD was given full physical custody, he wasn't allowed to be alone with his children or go to their school, and had been sanctioned by the court more than once for lying and breaking their orders. He is just a crazy, abusive, selfish, clueless criminal, bent on fleecing his wife's family, control and vengeance, not a criminal mastermind, IMO.

MOO and MOO and MOO
Great post....I especially agree with the following part BBM:
I think their phones were on because he was waiting for word from the children to confirm his visitation with them the next day, and/or to communicate with an accomplice. Also, because Hartford isn't far from where they lived in Farmington, they probably thought they could say if cell phone data placed them there, they could just say they had gone out for a bite to eat there. Criminals do stuff to trip themselves up, or as I've seen quoted by LE, something along the lines of "if criminals didn't do stupid stuff all the time, we would never catch any of them."

IMO FD knew LE was involved in looking for JD at this point. The kids are the answer, IMO. You have THREE 13-year-old kiddos with phones who probably had been planning their weekend meet ups. I can easily see one of JD's kids texting/calling MT's daughter and saying the weekend looks like it's off; can't find our mom. Then MT's daughter texting her mother telling her "the news." IMO, the trash can date was rushed when FD heard the news....he thought he had the old 48 hours before LE got involved.
 
Last edited:
Top Taste Caribbean Bakery is on Albany one block before Garden. It's a very...we'll just say "interesting" place. I used to be scared to go into it but the owner is really nice. She has a super loud doorbell that goes off as soon as the door opens because so many people would come in, take something, and bolt out the door. Ooh...maybe I should go have a little talkie with her. There are a few other Jamaican/Carabbean bakeries on Albany as well.
 
I thought I’d take your suggestion and send an inquiry and ask for clarification. I opened the article again, to copy and paste accurately, and realized, with the numerous ads to scroll past, that I had missed a bottom portion of the article.

“Recalling his discovery while rummaging through trash on the weekend after Farber Dulos disappeared, the witness said the trash can was located near a convenience store on the corner of Albany and Garden.”

Let that sink in. Near a convenience store at Albany and Garden.....NOT in front of Scott’s. NOT near the storm drain. Cuz the storm drain is NOT at Albany and Garden as they reported. And they reported this DIRECTLY under the storm drain search photo in front of Scott’s. That my friends is why their claim of “sources” is hard to believe.
MOO What a colossal error.
Ok. Think I got your point.

Arrest warrant says storm drain is at Albany and Garden and this is incorrect too? I was basing my map and questions from the arrest warrant. So, you are saying the license plates were fished out of the drain further up on Albany near Scotts? Am I understanding you correctly? Did you pull up the original HC article on the license plates?
 
Went back to Stamford Advocate article early on: Warrant: Jennifer Dulos’ blood-stained items tossed by estranged husband, his girlfriend

Quotes from article:

First this:
One video clip showed a man inserting an item into a storm drain grate near Garden Street.
[BBM] Detectives later searched the area and recovered two Connecticut license plates that had been altered with adhesive and tape, the warrant said. The plate was connected to a canceled registration for a 2007 Chevrolet Suburban belonging to Fotis Dulos.


Then this:
The investigation quickly shifted to the Hartford area on Friday with authorities searching the Upper Albany section of the city, focusing on a storm drain outside a bakery and trash bins in the area. [BBM]
A few hours later, they arrived at Fotis Dulos’ Farmington home before escorting him to the state police Troop L barracks in Litchfield, where blood and hair samples were taken.

Very confusing. Where were the license plates fished out of? Near Garden or Upper Albany? Where was the knife allegedly found? Near Garden or Upper Albany?
 
Great post....I especially agree with the following part BBM:
I think their phones were on because he was waiting for word from the children to confirm his visitation with them the next day, and/or to communicate with an accomplice. Also, because Hartford isn't far from where they lived in Farmington, they probably thought they could say if cell phone data placed them there, they could just say they had gone out for a bite to eat there. Criminals do stuff to trip themselves up, or as I've seen quoted by LE, something along the lines of "if criminals didn't do stupid stuff all the time, we would never catch any of them."

IMO FD knew LE was involved in looking for JD at this point. The kids are the answer, IMO. You have THREE 13-year-old kiddos with phones who probably had been planning their weekend meet ups. I can easily see on of JD's kids texting/calling MT's daughter and saying the weekend looks like it's off; can't find out mom. Then MT's daughter texting her mother telling her "the news." IMO, the trash can date was rushed when FD heard the news....he thought he had the old 48 hours before LE got involved.

The 48 hour thing has always bothered me about this case. Usually LE will not lift a finger before the 48 hour mark, which leads me to think there was a past relationship with NCPD or even NYPD (as in FD was known to them), JD had written it all down/instructions for if she could not be located, or there was quite a bloody scene (far worse than we have been told) in that garage.
 
where does it say the plates were found in front of Scotts? I'M sorry I'm confused
this from the warrant:
In another video clip, the man can be seen dumping an item into a storm drain grate at Albany Avenue and Garden Street, Kimball said. Detectives were able to remove the grate and recover a FedEx mailer box that contained two Connecticut license plates that had been altered using tape and adhesive, he said. The original license plate – ‘516WDJ,’ which belonged to a black SUV registered to Fotis Dulos – had been modified to read ‘5T6WBU,’ according to Kimball.

this is from the article:
Police have also said they have video of Dulos placing a FedEx mailer box in a storm drain at the intersection of Albany and Garden. They recovered the package, and it contained a doctored license plate to an old car Dulos used to own, according to the Dulos arrest warrant.
 
where does it say the plates were found in front of Scotts? I'M sorry I'm confused
this from the warrant:
In another video clip, the man can be seen dumping an item into a storm drain grate at Albany Avenue and Garden Street, Kimball said. Detectives were able to remove the grate and recover a FedEx mailer box that contained two Connecticut license plates that had been altered using tape and adhesive, he said. The original license plate – ‘516WDJ,’ which belonged to a black SUV registered to Fotis Dulos – had been modified to read ‘5T6WBU,’ according to Kimball.

this is from the article:
Police have also said they have video of Dulos placing a FedEx mailer box in a storm drain at the intersection of Albany and Garden. They recovered the package, and it contained a doctored license plate to an old car Dulos used to own, according to the Dulos arrest warrant.
I am still confused. I understand the arrest warrants but the reporting is not matching up which is what is causing confusion I think.
 
@afitzy

In my opinion only this is 80 Mountain Spring Road. There was no traler anywhere that I could see. I got brave enough to drive up onto the property and it was just eerily secluded and quite and take a look at what I found around the back. The garage area is completely hiddened and only visable after driving around the side of the house, so a truck could have been parked there or pulled inside the garage to say unload something and go totally unnoticed. Also someone could walk right up and enter property from the back.[
@afitzy

In my opinion only this is 80 Mountain Spring Road. There was no traler anywhere that I could see. I got brave enough to drive up onto the property and it was just eerily secluded and quite and take a look at what I found around the back. The garage area is completely hiddened and only visable after driving around the side of the house, so a truck could have been parked there or pulled inside the garage to say unload something and go totally unnoticed. Also someone could walk right up and enter property from the back.
Wow, you're quite brave to venture around the back of one of FD's homes!! Imagine if he came around the corner. I think another thing to consider is that though we hope that all the acreage around these numerous properties has been scoured with a fine tooth comb, have they checked all the roads that connect these homes? Remember with Caylee Anthony, they found her body 6 months later not so far from the Anthony home and on a well-traveled road. I hate to be gruesome, but recently a small animal died in our woods, visible about 100 feet from my deck, and it smelled horrible for 2 days. Before my husband could go bury it, some scavenger had moved the carcass from the woods on to my front lawn and there was nothing left of it but bones in a just a matter of days. If JD was buried in a shallow grave, with the recent CT heat and wild animals in these woods, it could really be like finding a needle in a haystack at this point.
 
The 48 hour thing has always bothered me about this case. Usually LE will not lift a finger before the 48 hour mark, which leads me to think there was a past relationship with NCPD or even NYPD (as in FD was known to them), JD had written it all down/instructions for if she could not be located, or there was quite a bloody scene (far worse than we have been told) in that garage.
Fast forward a bit too and his trip into the city to see/take the children is something that seems delusional to me too? I am curious to know whether he had the court authorized supervisor with him when he went to pick up the children in the city? Haven't heard any description of who was with him the day he was turned away by the 'armed guards' at GF apt.

He seems fixated on a goal (in this case picking up children) to the exclusion of understand much about the currect reality (JD missing/murdered, NCPD interest etc.).

With the benefit of hindsite this all looks positively delusional IMO. Did he think that he would simply pick up the children, pick up MT and her daughter and ride off into the sunset?

MOO
 
Omg that must’ve been so scary! Thank you for the pictures!!!

Wow, you're quite brave to venture around the back of one of FD's homes!! Imagine if he came around the corner. I think another thing to consider is that though we hope that all the acreage around these numerous properties has been scoured with a fine tooth comb, have they checked all the roads that connect these homes? Remember with Caylee Anthony, they found her body 6 months later not so far from the Anthony home and on a well-traveled road. I hate to be gruesome, but recently a small animal died in our woods, visible about 100 feet from my deck, and it smelled horrible for 2 days. Before my husband could go bury it, some scavenger had moved the carcass from the woods on to my front lawn and there was nothing left of it but bones in a just a matter of days. If JD was buried in a shallow grave, with the recent CT heat and wild animals in these woods, it could really be like finding a needle in a haystack at this point.
 
Fast forward a bit too and his trip into the city to see/take the children is something that seems delusional to me too? I am curious to know whether he had the court authorized supervisor with him when he went to pick up the children in the city? Haven't heard any description of who was with him the day he was turned away by the 'armed guards' at GF apt.

He seems fixated on a goal (in this case picking up children) to the exclusion of understand much about the currect reality (JD missing/murdered, NCPD interest etc.).

With the benefit of hindsite this all looks positively delusional IMO. Did he think that he would simply pick up the children, pick up MT and her daughter and ride off into the sunset?

MOO
Right?
 
I feel like it has been said from the time the plates were found that they were found in a drain at Albany/Garden Streets. All the confusion seems to have come after the reporting/news stories about the knife/bloody pillow emerged.
Going back through the early articles now and its confusing. I think part of the issue was that LE didn't want the report made early about the license plates being found. Much of the video is of LE searching all the drains up and down Albany. The video testimony of the the bakery owners is what I am going to go back and try to find now as he was pretty clear if I recall about the CCTV taken by LE etc. I am wondering if this is confusing because it was made to be confusing because the stated info is conflicting. IDK
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
147
Guests online
523
Total visitors
670

Forum statistics

Threads
608,162
Messages
18,235,476
Members
234,304
Latest member
tigereye1
Back
Top