Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #18

[Curious in CT]

You mean MT, right, @afitzy

Was that the house where @thekirbyfamily had the picture last week? Its a curious comp for 4Jx in terms of valuation. Would have to run the numbers to double check but its likely then that 4Jx mortgage could well be under water.

I think the situation with GF having to pay to maintain mortgage and taxes on 4Jx while FD and JD/Daughter or "Fo and Ho" as I am now calling them is beyond belief. "Fo" owns 50% of 4Jx and "Ho" so far as we know paid no rent. Why neither "Fo" nor "Ho" contributed their 50% share of cost to keep 4Jx is something I hope the courts resolve pronto!

MOO

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Your words are very true...and made me cry. Thank you for insight on things we can't change...love, loss and life.

I’m so sorry my words made you cry. The last thing I ever want to do is make someone feel worse with the sadness that’s already there. As I’m sure is true of so many here, I’ve struggled all my life, even as a kid (yes, I was super popular on the playground with my existential worries!) trying to understand why sad and bad things happened to people and innocents like animals, and I still do. I wish I had the answers or a way to fix it all. A former boss used to tell me that when I get to heaven (“You’re making a big assumption here,” I’d tell him, LOL), I could ask God my questions and get the answers. I said, “Well, you better hope you’re not in line behind me because I’ve got a whole long list of things to ask about!” MOO! I hope no one gets upset about this story; I’m not making fun of religion or saying I think any particular religion has the answers or doesn’t; I’m just making fun of me and hoping it makes you smile! MOO.

 

[Curious in CT]

I think you are giving Doofus far too much credit, @thekirbyfamily , but hey, you never know!

Maybe he thought he could start an upward movement in the market in this particular area one property at a time, IDK????

 

[sds71]

Though the creator of a Facebook group that discussed the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos claims it was shut down because of trolls or hackers, many are accusing him of being a notorious online menace who could have caused the page’s demise
*After serving 10 years in federal prison for wire fraud schemes, Riches violated his probation by driving without permission from Pennsylvania to Connecticut, where he was accused of impersonating Adam Lanza’s uncle in the days after the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012.
*But many people have since responded on social media, pointing to Riches’ history of being an online troll himself.

Jennifer Dulos Facebook page demise stirs controversy

 

[Mimi in London]

Per the 911 call from FD it was interesting that JD kept the nanny that was with her at the time of her departure from 4Jx when she moved to NC.

I hadn't realized that she didn't find a new nanny and one that wasn't connected to her time at 4Jx.

No big deal I suppose but was surprised, so she must have had confidence in her choice of nanny to keep her around.

MOO

This has been playing on my mind, too. JD must indeed have felt sure the Nanny was completely on-side and in no way vulnerable to any approaches from FD.

Do we know when the other nanny (she of the unfortunate driving/granny incident) left their employment?

 

[BellaVita]

I don't know quite where to go in response to this comment as it's sort of all over the place so I'll just stick with the data:


White Black Hispanic
U.S. population 62.1% 13.2% 17.4%
Jail incarceration 47.4% 35.4% 14.9%
State & federal incarceration 33.6% 35.4% 21.6%
Life sentence 33.4% 48.3% 14.4%
Life without parole sentence 33.5% 56.4% 7.4%
Death row population 42.5% 41.7% 13.0%

Pay special attention to 13.2% of the US population (black) making up 41.7% of the death row inmates.

Life is rarely fair for anybody. The bottom line is: don't commit crimes. The people in the statistics you quote most likely broke the law. If there is inequity in arrest or sentencing, that is not fair, BUT every individual can negate that unfairness, if it exists, by not breaking the law. I am not saying that every single conviction ever is correct. However, most people who are responsible will not find themselves in the statistics. I have worked with many hundreds, if not thousands of people over the decades, from all backgrounds, and incarceration is a moot issue for them. They haven't lived a life of crime. MOO.

 

[citygirl]

Though the creator of a Facebook group that discussed the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos claims it was shut down because of trolls or hackers, many are accusing him of being a notorious online menace who could have caused the page’s demise
*After serving 10 years in federal prison for wire fraud schemes, Riches violated his probation by driving without permission from Pennsylvania to Connecticut, where he was accused of impersonating Adam Lanza’s uncle in the days after the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012.
*But many people have since responded on social media, pointing to Riches’ history of being an online troll himself.

Jennifer Dulos Facebook page demise stirs controversy

Appreciate your post but could care less.
Useless fodder, IMO.

 

[MemPat]

Life is rarely fair for anybody. The bottom line is: don't commit crimes. The people in the statistics you quote most likely broke the law. If there is inequity in arrest or sentencing, that is not fair, BUT every individual can negate that unfairness, if it exists, by not breaking the law. I am not saying that every single conviction ever is correct. However, most people who are responsible will not find themselves in the statistics. I have worked with many hundreds, if not thousands of people over the decades, from all backgrounds, and incarceration is a moot issue for them. They haven't lived a life of crime. MOO.

With all due respect, these BBM comments are at war with each other.

I'm ready to get back on topic but, if you're interested there is a great deal of literature on this subject, well worth reading.

 

[BellaVita]

With all due respect, these BBM comments are at war with each other.

I'm ready to get back on topic but, if you're interested there is a great deal of literature on this subject, well worth reading.

I'm well read. I have considered all points of view and have beliefs, not opinions. Agree to disagree.

 

[sds71]

This has been playing on my mind, too. JD must indeed have felt sure the Nanny was completely on-side and in no way vulnerable to any approaches from FD.Do we know when the other nanny (she of the unfortunate driving/granny incident) left their employment?

I noticed JD and the current nanny stopped liking ForeGroup,,FD , Greek relatives and ski related posts from others around the same.
She must’ve considered in her early on

 

[mom2chloe]

This has been playing on my mind, too. JD must indeed have felt sure the Nanny was completely on-side and in no way vulnerable to any approaches from FD.

Do we know when the other nanny (she of the unfortunate driving/granny incident) left their employment?

I am inclined to agree with your opinion but how many women in similar situations have been hoodwinked by friends, employees and acquaintances? Although I remain hopefully optimistic that the Nanny (current Nanny specifically) has not only JD but her kids best interest at heart, we simply cannot be certain. Certainly wouldn’t put it past FD to know when and where the Nanny was on the day in question. IMHO

 

[afitzy]

Love the "FoHo" moniker!

Has anyone been able to figure out how many homes FD sold from the inception of the"building" company? I can't see that he ever made enough to support his family and pay his bills. Was he more successful in the early period?

Realizing that many things tanked in 2008, FD probably had a valid reason for deceased sales from 2008-2014-15, but how was he sustaining his enterprise, competing in water ski tournaments, traveling up to 10 days a month (he loves to meet new people according to Rena), vacationing (?) in Italy when his mother sustained her fatal injuries, wearing expensive clothing, etc.? I am mystified about how this "business" operated.

Glad you like "FoHO"! Was so annoyed this am about the GF paying 4Jx etc. that I typed out the first thing that came to mind even though it wasn't really all that nice ! Sorry, not sorry!

I've been working on the real estate piece of the puzzle and hope to have it done over the next 2 weeks. There are a number of challenges with even doing a rough estimate of income for FORE and a big one is that FD used subcontractors (or seemed to) for virtually everything as he didn't work directly on site (Gucci loafers need to stay clean and all!). The civil suit legal documents with GF provide a good bit of info on how much money FIL lent FORE over the years and how the repayment worked and that the interest rate was low. I've had to make some major assumptions about staffing and salary, so the overall estimate of income will be very rough but hope to be directionally correct.

Even though the FORE income project is a work in progress, I'm baffled as to how/why FD became a 'deadbeat dad' according to what Judge Heller wrote in her opinion awarding custody to GF, while at the same time most likely paying himself and MT a salary from FORE? On the surface it also makes little no sense that FD couldn't come up with the cash for bond either and sat in jail and that this had to come from 401K per No Case Norm? 401K is last place you'd want to take cash from so if this is where bail bond came from then FD was scraping the bottom of his financial barrel to escape from BPT jail IMO.

My guess is that if there really is no cash available for bail that the FORE income departed for places unknown over the years or is parked in other peoples names either in the US or outside the US. FORE worked on many more projects than I imagined over the years but I also see the overhead in terms of staff/salary for project managers being high and my other assumption is that money left FORE for architectural services (possibly FD sister IDK?). The recent stacking up of trade claims at Sturbridge in particular has been eye opening as there were some examples of liens filed in prior years but nothing like the onslaught of what is now being seen with 6 liens now at Sturbridge (where there look to be 3 mortgages and an attachment by GF).

Pure speculation at this point but FD spent the duration of the divorce case pleading poverty yet managed somehow to keep the lights and heat on at 4Jx, cars/trucks rolling, travelled and ate out with MT all while having no visible source of recent income from sold houses and no new loans from FIL post FIL death. Its a bit of financial sorcery that is impressive but I do think it was a miscalculation to not leave enough for payment of child support etc. and bail of course--seemed to be petty IMO and designed to anger JD.

The overplaying of the poverty card over the past few years IMO makes the entire FORE story hard to believe and also casts a dark cloud over the entire FORE enterprise and FD IMO.

I'm also very curious when JD put the pieces of the puzzle together on FORE and whether she saw what was happening over time or if she had a lightbulb moment when it all came together? Did she do it herself or did she have an accountant help her?

It had to cause her pain to see no support from FD for his own children and resulted in great anger as well. Its hard to understand too why the Family Court could do nothing to compel payment or financial disclosure compliance? I just hope that the State is looking at this entire issue too as its quite baffling as to where the money went!?!?

Huge MOO!

 

[mom2chloe]

Glad you like "FoHO"! Was so annoyed this am about the GF paying 4Jx etc. that I typed out the first thing that came to mind even though it wasn't really all that nice ! Sorry, not sorry!

I've been working on the real estate piece of the puzzle and hope to have it done over the next 2 weeks. There are a number of challenges with even doing a rough estimate of income for FORE and a big one is that FD used subcontractors (or seemed to) for virtually everything as he didn't work directly on site (Gucci loafers need to stay clean and all!). The civil suit legal documents with GF provide a good bit of info on how much money FIL lent FORE over the years and how the repayment worked and that the interest rate was low. I've had to make some major assumptions about staffing and salary, so the overall estimate of income will be very rough but hope to be directionally correct.

Even though the FORE income project is a work in progress, I'm baffled as to how/why FD became a 'deadbeat dad' according to what Judge Heller wrote in her opinion awarding custody to GF, while at the same time most likely paying himself and MT a salary from FORE? On the surface it also makes little no sense that FD couldn't come up with the cash for bond either and sat in jail and that this had to come from 401K per No Case Norm? 401K is last place you'd want to take cash from so if this is where bail bond came from then FD was scraping the bottom of his financial barrel to escape from BPT jail IMO.

My guess is that if there really is no cash available for bail that the FORE income departed for places unknown over the years or is parked in other peoples names either in the US or outside the US. FORE worked on many more projects than I imagined over the years but I also see the overhead in terms of staff/salary for project managers being high and my other assumption is that money left FORE for architectural services (possibly FD sister IDK?). The recent stacking up of trade claims at Sturbridge in particular has been eye opening as there were some examples of liens filed in prior years but nothing like the onslaught of what is now being seen with 6 liens now at Sturbridge (where there look to be 3 mortgages and an attachment by GF).

Pure speculation at this point but FD spent the duration of the divorce case pleading poverty yet managed somehow to keep the lights and heat on at 4Jx, cars/trucks rolling, travelled and ate out with MT all while having no visible source of recent income from sold houses and no new loans from FIL post FIL death. Its a bit of financial sorcery that is impressive but I do think it was a miscalculation to not leave enough for payment of child support etc. and bail of course--seemed to be petty IMO and designed to anger JD.

The overplaying of the poverty card over the past few years IMO makes the entire FORE story hard to believe and also casts a dark cloud over the entire FORE enterprise and FD IMO.

I'm also very curious when JD put the pieces of the puzzle together on FORE and whether she saw what was happening over time or if she had a lightbulb moment when it all came together? Did she do it herself or did she have an accountant help her?

It had to cause her pain to see no support from FD for his own children and resulted in great anger as well. Its hard to understand too why the Family Court could do nothing to compel payment or financial disclosure compliance? I just hope that the State is looking at this entire issue too as its quite baffling as to where the money went!?!?

Huge MOO!

Financial sorcery indeed! I love this! Thanks for a much needed laugh!

 

[afitzy]

I think he bought and built with his thinking being that the market would continue to rise and get back to pre-2008 market highs. The boom of the mid-2000s (had it continued to rise without the crash of 2008) would have put him on target.

Many who bought in early 2000s in places like Greenwich and New Canaan have gone upside down in their homes post 2008. In Greenwich (much hotter market, if one can call it that)Tommy Mottola got 5+ million under asking price in April. Trump's old Greenwich Indian Harbor property has been on the market with a price starting at 54 million with a recent slash to 45 million. Mel Gibson's old house was listed at 31 million and has been slashed to 20 million. Last December, 50 Cent's 52 room Farmington mansion (bought in 2003 for 4.9 million from Mike Tyson) sold for 2.9 after years on the market. All of the people who own these properties bought high thinking the market would always stay strong because of the haughty locales----- they were wrong also.

Yes, CT real estate trends have been negative on a real basis for nearly 20 years and the information was detailed in a much earlier thread.

New Canaan is most likely going to see another year of declining values for 2019/2020 estimated in the range of 4-5% (depends on location in town) and this is on top of roughly 5% decline (depends on location in town) last year (2018). Many houses are on the market and time on market stats continue to stay flat.

MOO

 

[sds71]

Glad you like "FoHO"! Was so annoyed this am about the GF paying 4Jx etc. that I typed out the first thing that came to mind even though it wasn't really all that nice ! Sorry, not sorry!

I've been working on the real estate piece of the puzzle and hope to have it done over the next 2 weeks. There are a number of challenges with even doing a rough estimate of income for FORE and a big one is that FD used subcontractors (or seemed to) for virtually everything as he didn't work directly on site (Gucci loafers need to stay clean and all!). The civil suit legal documents with GF provide a good bit of info on how much money FIL lent FORE over the years and how the repayment worked and that the interest rate was low. I've had to make some major assumptions about staffing and salary, so the overall estimate of income will be very rough but hope to be directionally correct.

Even though the FORE income project is a work in progress, I'm baffled as to how/why FD became a 'deadbeat dad' according to what Judge Heller wrote in her opinion awarding custody to GF, while at the same time most likely paying himself and MT a salary from FORE? On the surface it also makes little no sense that FD couldn't come up with the cash for bond either and sat in jail and that this had to come from 401K per No Case Norm? 401K is last place you'd want to take cash from so if this is where bail bond came from then FD was scraping the bottom of his financial barrel to escape from BPT jail IMO.

My guess is that if there really is no cash available for bail that the FORE income departed for places unknown over the years or is parked in other peoples names either in the US or outside the US. FORE worked on many more projects than I imagined over the years but I also see the overhead in terms of staff/salary for project managers being high and my other assumption is that money left FORE for architectural services (possibly FD sister IDK?). The recent stacking up of trade claims at Sturbridge in particular has been eye opening as there were some examples of liens filed in prior years but nothing like the onslaught of what is now being seen with 6 liens now at Sturbridge (where there look to be 3 mortgages and an attachment by GF).

Pure speculation at this point but FD spent the duration of the divorce case pleading poverty yet managed somehow to keep the lights and heat on at 4Jx, cars/trucks rolling, travelled and ate out with MT all while having no visible source of recent income from sold houses and no new loans from FIL post FIL death. Its a bit of financial sorcery that is impressive but I do think it was a miscalculation to not leave enough for payment of child support etc. and bail of course--seemed to be petty IMO and designed to anger JD.

The overplaying of the poverty card over the past few years IMO makes the entire FORE story hard to believe and also casts a dark cloud over the entire FORE enterprise and FD IMO.

I'm also very curious when JD put the pieces of the puzzle together on FORE and whether she saw what was happening over time or if she had a lightbulb moment when it all came together? Did she do it herself or did she have an accountant help her?

It had to cause her pain to see no support from FD for his own children and resulted in great anger as well. Its hard to understand too why the Family Court could do nothing to compel payment or financial disclosure compliance? I just hope that the State is looking at this entire issue too as its quite baffling as to where the money went!?!?
Huge MOO!

I’m sure very very very sure he could have used one of his many credit cards to pay his bond
Don’t know why he didn’t

 

[afitzy]

This has been playing on my mind, too. JD must indeed have felt sure the Nanny was completely on-side and in no way vulnerable to any approaches from FD.

Do we know when the other nanny (she of the unfortunate driving/granny incident) left their employment?

No MSM articles that I am aware of have detailed the employment timing of the 2 nanny's. GF must be satisfied with the nanny as the Family Court documents and GAL stmt made a point of mentioning that the nanny is liked by the children and she was being retained by GF to remain with the children. I would also think that the nanny was a key support to JD as she was a constant with the children day in and day out. MOO

 

[afitzy]

I noticed JD and the current nanny stopped liking ForeGroup,,FD , Greek relatives and ski related posts from others around the same.
She must’ve considered in her early on

Yes, saw that too. The FD FB really is quite stunning in that JD was eliminated completely, it was as if she didn't exist. Not surprising IMO, just stunning when you see it played out in pictures. MOO

 

[afitzy]

I’m sure very very very sure he could have used one of his many credit cards to pay his bond
Don’t know why he didn’t

There had to be a reason that we collectively haven't figured out yet! But he would have probably had to take cash advances at high rates from 1-2-3 cards I would think and maybe he didn't want to do it?!?

But given the income situation I am curious though if the credit cards are maxed or if cards are in other currencies or if he goes to the local Walmart to pick up wired cash payments or perhaps he sent MT in the past? Many possibilities!

Do we know if the July taxes were paid? Towns are slow to post past due taxes so was going to wait until Sept to look. But given the high profile nature of the situation I wonder if the towns might be a bit more proactive on taxes?

MOO

 

[mom2chloe]

I’m sure very very very sure he could have used one of his many credit cards to pay his bond
Don’t know why he didn’t

A previous poster and apologies because I cannot quote nor reply to them questioned whether JD had financially castrated FD and that may have been his undoing. I would imagine that if JD had canceled credit cards and cut off all his financial ties to her including access to debit cards, bank accounts and lines of credit for personal and/or business use may have sent him over the edge. JD had the financial means and apparently her mother knew enough of the scenario to either make it happen or preclude FD from any further financial access. This would have chapped him to no end especially with the paramour and her daughter living under their financial support and suddenly to come to an end despite FD’s best manipulation and legal shenanigans. Knowing the Feds are looking into all his financial and accounting information leads me to believe he had been financially cut off and became desperate.
He never cared about his kids. It was all about the money that JD and her family could provide him and his lifestyle. Once the purse strings were cut he went all out. Lacking access to the funds he needed to live the high life was his undoing. Imo

 

[MemPat]

I’m sure very very very sure he could have used one of his many credit cards to pay his bond
Don’t know why he didn’t

If I understand the system, using a credit card for bond would be very expensive....10% or more in interest.....right in there with a payday loan.

Not that using the 401K was smart. Maybe he's under water on his credit cards and didn't qualify for a loan.