Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

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afitzy said:
Yes this is true but part of the deal was that FO/Pattis agree that pictures of the returned vehicles could be used as evidence in the criminal proceedings. There is a term for this that I simply cannot recall (stipulating to secondary evidence maybe IDK) that was used in court. So, I don't think the FO Black Suburban is safely out of the mix here at all. MOO
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ITA but I thought that they wouldn’t take any chances and would’ve kept it along with the Raptor just to be on the safe side.
 
Twistinginthewind said:
I remember that as well, just trying to be 'generous' with the timeframe by saying 'several months' between FD's divorce from his first wife to his marriage to JD because some posters questioned that short timeframe of 1 month way back on the thread being potentially based on a typo on the months and dates of the divorce and marriage from Brown alumni / friends of theirs comments, IIRC. When last discussed here, I think there was a possibility that there was more like a 4 month gap because they were married in February of 2005? Not sure if this was confirmed. MOO
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This was debated for a long time in prior thread and the clippings from the Brown Alumni mag were found and posted. I don't recall if it were 1 month or 4 months so we need to go back to the prior thread if people think its impt.
 
Southernsnooper said:
ITA but I thought that they wouldn’t take any chances and would’ve kept it along with the Raptor just to be on the safe side.
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I don't disagree with you about keeping it all and keeping FO in that cute petite black KIA! But they must have fully processed the vehicles and not needed the physical vehicles or they never would have returned them IMO. I think Colangelo/LE is being conservative and meticulous in this case so I trust that the call to return the vehicles was ok. MOO
 
afitzy said:
I don't disagree with you about keeping it all and keeping FO in that cute petite black KIA! But they must have fully processed the vehicles and not needed the physical vehicles or they never would have returned them IMO. I think Colangelo/LE is being conservative and meticulous in this case so I trust that the call to return the vehicles was ok. MOO
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Totally! I think the returned vehicles yielded nothing but the Raptor, MOO, is a treasure trove.
 
Twistinginthewind said:
I remember that as well, just trying to be 'generous' with the timeframe by saying 'several months' between FD's divorce from his first wife to his marriage to JD because some posters questioned that short timeframe of 1 month way back on the thread being potentially based on a typo on the months and dates of the divorce and marriage from Brown alumni / friends of theirs comments, IIRC. When last discussed here, I think there was a possibility that there was more like a 4 month gap because they were married in February of 2005? Not sure if this was confirmed. MOO
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The timeframe of the marriage was interesting.

Even though we never found a clipping from NYT Weddings (thought this was odd), we did find other accounts that it was a sizable event at the Met Club I believe.

IMO Met Club weddings don't come together quickly (certainly not month or two but maybe they were motivated?).

NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002

  • afitzy said: ↑
    NYP Article:
    https://nypost.com/2019/06/22/lawye...orchestrated-her-own-gone-girl-disappearance/

    Quotes from article:
    "Jennifer, who grew up in New York City, went on to earn her masters in writing from NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts. Fotis had a brief marriage to another Brown grad which ended in July 2004"[BBM].

    "He and Jennifer eventually reunited and married in August 2004 [BBM], staging an opulent wedding at the Metropolitan Club in New York". [Was this an error on the part of NYP and actual date was 8/05 and NOT 8/04?]

    "According to the Brown classmate, “It was big and grand and it was old New York and that’s the way Hill [Jennifer’s late father] was. [He] had a big, generous personality and the wedding reflected that.”

    "According to the family source, Jennifer’s “family didn’t really know what to make of Fotis.”
    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.

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  • JmooseWell-Known Member

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    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.
    Yes-this is what I was talking about. I don’t know if there is really any significance to the timing; except that, for me, I’d rather think JD wasn’t going to take the chance that she’s planned a big fancy wedding, and the divorce may not be final yet on her wedding day-a month would be cutting it way too close for me

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  • afitzyWell-Known Member

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    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.
    Yes, that's the way I read it too.

    So, FD marriage 1 divorce was 7/04 and JD/FD 2nd marriage was 2/05 at the Metropolitan Club in NYC. Oddly I didn't find an announcement in the NYTs. Did anyone find the announcement?

    JD I believe said she 'ran into' FD at Aspen airport a year before they got married and then he contacted her 6 months after the 'chance' encounter at Aspen airport. She said they were both living downtown in NYC at the time they 'reconnected'. Wonder when FD moved from Canton, CT (believed he lived there with wife 1) to NYC? Coincidence or not that he was back in the city? Or, did he move back to the city to go to grad school?

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  • citygirlWell-Known Member

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    Yes-this is what I was talking about. I don’t know if there is really any significance to the timing; except that, for me, I’d rather think JD wasn’t going to take the chance that she’s planned a big fancy wedding, and the divorce may not be final yet on her wedding day-a month would be cutting it way too close for me
    I find it interesting. Her parents were Upper East side residents for many years. We learn through a friend that she had an opulent wedding in the city.
    Yet nothing in the N Y Times?

    In the whole scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

    The poor girl is missing and those that love her are in anguish.
 
Chemistry and calm, then loneliness and turbulence in the marriage of missing New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos
Jennifer and Fotis, both graduates from Brown University, married in 2004. In an apparent bio on a Patch site, Jennifer describes herself as a former writer from New York “doing journalism, essays, plays and screenplays, and is currently finishing a novel.” She has a bachelor’s degree from Brown University and a masters in writing from NYU's Tisch School of the Arts.

*I think in 2004 the wedding was in West Orange and in 2005 they had a reception in NY. I don't know if they exchanged vows there also.
*A member of Three Six Mafia was at the 2005 reception
 
afitzy said:
Ok. Great catch. So its a single trip in the Ford Raptor down Albany with FO and MT/HO! Clears up alot so we can move on!
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See. I think we have to take a lot of these news reports with a grain of salt. I actually did ask a reporter to correct errors or at least clarify another report. No response. No correction. This error was so bad, it could not be ignored.
 
Here it is. In HC
Fotis Dulos’ first marriage to Hilary Aldama ended quickly, amicably

“Dulos and xxxxxx( removed by me ) now a lawyer in Shreveport, La., were married in Athens, Greece, in June 2000. Four years later, the couple was divorced, amicably coming to terms on the house at 10 Sunrise Drive in Canton, the furnishings, the cars, and any other jointly owned property, records show.

They were officially divorced on July 12, 2004, the records show. On Aug. 28, 2004, Fotis Dulos and Jennifer Farber were married, court documents say. Farber Dulos also went to Brown University.”
 
afitzy said:
Read the motion 2x.

Just wish Judges were like 2nd grade teachers that would send the paper back home if its not done properly.

Ugh. I honestly sadly think the gag would be useless for No Case Norm as he would simply file endless motions like this one to feed the press frenzy.

Would have to be total gag and case seal to stop this nonsense from No Case Norm. This would make it hard to follow the case but perhaps might serve justice as this circus has simply become too much IMO.

MOO
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Really good point. You're right.

Also, I think his request for spoilation orders is ridiculous and a super long shot. But it's not an atypical for defense attorneys to throw everything at the wall in the hopes that something sticks.
 
Chicago54 said:
Here it is. In HC
Fotis Dulos’ first marriage to Hilary Aldama ended quickly, amicably

“Dulos and xxxxxx( removed by me ) now a lawyer in Shreveport, La., were married in Athens, Greece, in June 2000. Four years later, the couple was divorced, amicably coming to terms on the house at 10 Sunrise Drive in Canton, the furnishings, the cars, and any other jointly owned property, records show.

They were officially divorced on July 12, 2004, the records show. On Aug. 28, 2004, Fotis Dulos and Jennifer Farber were married, court documents say. Farber Dulos also went to Brown University.”
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Do we know if FO had US citizenship before this marriage? Or, was he able to get citizenship because of this marriage?
 
afitzy said:
Read the motion 2x.

Just wish Judges were like 2nd grade teachers that would send the paper back home if its not done properly.

Ugh. I honestly sadly think the gag would be useless for No Case Norm as he would simply file endless motions like this one to feed the press frenzy.

Would have to be total gag and case seal to stop this nonsense from No Case Norm. This would make it hard to follow the case but perhaps might serve justice as this circus has simply become too much IMO.

MOO
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I have to wonder about Norm Pattis taking FD's case(s), and the kind of lawyer he appears to be and kind of clients he selects based on his statements to the media and motions filed/withdrawn/filed/withdrawn, etc. on FD's behalf, and his 'self-proclaim' on his website that his firm:
"... focuses on serious felonies including violent felonies, white collar crimes, sex offenses, drug crimes, and misconduct by lawyers, doctors, and government officials. "
About | Norm pattis

Sounds like NP likes to go to bat legally for people who commit 'serious felonies'.

If FD is the sociopath/psychopath/narcissist criminal he appears to be, he seems to have found a kindred spirit in NP... perhaps NP is one half of a 'folie a deux' and uses this 'jumping in' with his clients' delusions instead of questioning them as a defense strategy? Like he really gets inside their heads and becomes one with these felons... MOO

(BBM):
"Folie à deux, shared psychosis,[2] or shared delusional disorder (ETA acronym SDD) is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief and sometimes hallucinations[3][4]are transmitted from one individual to another.[5]
[... ]
The disorder was first conceptualized in 19th-century French psychiatry by Charles Lasègue and Jean-Pierre Falret and is also known as Lasègue-Falret syndrome.[3][6] The term is from French for "madness of two".
[ ... ]
This syndrome is most commonly diagnosed when the two or more individuals concerned live in proximity and may be socially or physically isolated and have little interaction with other people.
[ ... ]
The current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders states that a person cannot be diagnosed as being delusional if the belief in question is one "ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture" (see entry for delusion). It is not clear at what point a belief considered to be delusional escapes from the folie à... diagnostic category and becomes legitimate because of the number of people holding it."
[ ... ]
No-one knows what causes SDD exactly but stress and social isolation are the main contributors.[12] When we are socially isolated the few people we do talk to become very important to us, and therefore they are seen as more trustworthy, so when an inducer is sharing their delusions, the second person is more likely to believe them. Additionally, since they are socially isolated people developing shared delusional disorder do not have others reminding them that their delusions are either impossible or not likely and are therefore more likely to develop SDD. In fact, the treatment for shared delusional disorder is for the person to be removed for the inducer and seek additional treatment if necessary.[13]

Stress is also a factor because it triggers mental illness. The majority of people that develop shared delusional disorder are genetically predisposed to mental illness, however this predisposition ( i.e. genes for schizophrenia that need to be activated) is not enough to develop a mental disorder. However, when that person becomes stressed their adrenal gland releases the stress hormone cortisol into the body which released increased levels of dopamine in their brain and changes in dopamine levels are linked to mental illness.[14] As a result, stress puts one at a heightened risk of developing a psychological disorder such as shared delusional disorder.
[ ... ]

Folie à deux - Wikipedia
 
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afitzy said:
The timeframe of the marriage was interesting.

Even though we never found a clipping from NYT Weddings (thought this was odd), we did find other accounts that it was a sizable event at the Met Club I believe.

IMO Met Club weddings don't come together quickly (certainly not month or two but maybe they were motivated?).

NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002

  • afitzy said: ↑
    NYP Article:
    https://nypost.com/2019/06/22/lawye...orchestrated-her-own-gone-girl-disappearance/

    Quotes from article:
    "Jennifer, who grew up in New York City, went on to earn her masters in writing from NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts. Fotis had a brief marriage to another Brown grad which ended in July 2004"[BBM].

    "He and Jennifer eventually reunited and married in August 2004 [BBM], staging an opulent wedding at the Metropolitan Club in New York". [Was this an error on the part of NYP and actual date was 8/05 and NOT 8/04?]

    "According to the Brown classmate, “It was big and grand and it was old New York and that’s the way Hill [Jennifer’s late father] was. [He] had a big, generous personality and the wedding reflected that.”

    "According to the family source, Jennifer’s “family didn’t really know what to make of Fotis.”
    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.

    Dmcp, Jul 5, 2019Report

  • JmooseWell-Known Member

    ↑
    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.
    Yes-this is what I was talking about. I don’t know if there is really any significance to the timing; except that, for me, I’d rather think JD wasn’t going to take the chance that she’s planned a big fancy wedding, and the divorce may not be final yet on her wedding day-a month would be cutting it way too close for me

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  • afitzyWell-Known Member

    ↑
    NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002
    This link from Brown says they were married in February of 2005, I think. It’s in the November/December 2015 section, look for “DJ Paul” at the beginning of a small paragraph where it’s referenced.
    Yes, that's the way I read it too.

    So, FD marriage 1 divorce was 7/04 and JD/FD 2nd marriage was 2/05 at the Metropolitan Club in NYC. Oddly I didn't find an announcement in the NYTs. Did anyone find the announcement?

    JD I believe said she 'ran into' FD at Aspen airport a year before they got married and then he contacted her 6 months after the 'chance' encounter at Aspen airport. She said they were both living downtown in NYC at the time they 'reconnected'. Wonder when FD moved from Canton, CT (believed he lived there with wife 1) to NYC? Coincidence or not that he was back in the city? Or, did he move back to the city to go to grad school?

    afitzy, Jul 5, 2019Report
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  • citygirlWell-Known Member

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    Yes-this is what I was talking about. I don’t know if there is really any significance to the timing; except that, for me, I’d rather think JD wasn’t going to take the chance that she’s planned a big fancy wedding, and the divorce may not be final yet on her wedding day-a month would be cutting it way too close for me
    I find it interesting. Her parents were Upper East side residents for many years. We learn through a friend that she had an opulent wedding in the city.
    Yet nothing in the N Y Times?

    In the whole scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

    The poor girl is missing and those that love her are in anguish.
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Remember, FO quit his job at Cap Gemini immediately After the wedding to JD in August of 2004, and then FO created/filed FORE Group in October/November of 2004 according to the BBB.

I highly doubt FD would have done all this unless the marriage to JD was Written in Stone in August of 2004.

It is very possible that the marriage info that Brown put out was not exactly correct. Brown may have Received the information in February 2005 and mistakenly put it in the list as Married in 2005.

Also, FO went to Columbia from 1995-1997, Before First Wife (FW) came into the picture. FW was at Brown during this time, 1995-1999.

It is possible, that once FO was separated from FW, he moved into the city to be closer to his job at Cap Gemini, leaving his mother in the Canton, CT home.

Therefore FO could correctly say that he was indeed living in Manhattan when he reached out to JD.

IMO
 
sds71 said:
Chemistry and calm, then loneliness and turbulence in the marriage of missing New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos
Jennifer and Fotis, both graduates from Brown University, married in 2004. In an apparent bio on a Patch site, Jennifer describes herself as a former writer from New York “doing journalism, essays, plays and screenplays, and is currently finishing a novel.” She has a bachelor’s degree from Brown University and a masters in writing from NYU's Tisch School of the Arts.

*I think in 2004 the wedding was in West Orange and in 2005 they had a reception in NY. I don't know if they exchanged vows there also.
*A member of Three Six Mafia was at the 2005 reception
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Did not see this before posting earlier. Makes sense.
 
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