Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #20

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Having lived in an area like Albany Ave., you are right on every count. There are plenty of people who are not on the wrong side of the law. Also, the drug dealers and drug addicts are very aware of how things work in synergy with the police. They do understand one another and those involved with criminal activity know when the police will have a "hands off" policy and even look the other way a bit. A lot of dealers are not very scary, just petty criminals and if an investigation has zero to do with them or people on the block, they might not mind helping out. IME.
Hoping this is the case...there is a certain "code" in these situations and conditions...and maybe if everyone "bands together" for justice; FO & HO will be arrested. Personally, I can't wait for this day to happen!!! jmo
 
Its curious that folks here see the houses (5 presently that we know of belonging to FORE) have personal value to FD. I just can't see it. FORE as a business hasn't been functioning since the death of FD FIL who was FD source of 'cheap money'.

FD has only been working on the Sturbridge house in NC over the past year on and off until he well and truly ran out of money for landscaping IMO. All the other houses have been sitting vacant for over a year. All the houses have been listed and marketed with brokers and at least 1-2 low ball bids have been rec'd on the MS property per MSM. But nothing has sold and prospects for sales look bleak IMO.

FD has kept the houses maintained and so far as we are aware taxes paid etc. We are aware of 2 mortgages on 4Jx, 3 mortgages on Sturbridge and at least one mortgage on 80 MS. 4Jx is in in foreclosure. Whether FD gets anything out of Sturbridge is questionable at this point given the 3 mortgages and GF $500,000 attachment as he paid $1.5 million for the property so far as I can tell unless this is an inflated purchase price due to shenanigans.

I've written before about being baffled how someone could have a business and get to the point of having 5 houses that are overpriced for the markets they are in and most likely unsalable except over a multiple year period. FD has had zero interest in pushing his business along since his FIL passing as the easy money dried up. But, IMO if FD had been running FORE as a going concern and was concerned about the future and believed his business was there for the long run, there would be no way that he would have 4 houses sitting unsalable for over 2 years. Something else IMO was going on here and while we might not know exactly what I think folks on here have had some good ideas as to what might have been going on.

I'm convinced the houses were simply the means to the end for FD in that they enabled him to most likely pay his sister huge fees, pay his crooked subs over/under the table and suck every last dollar he had out of the US for safekeeping. This is pure speculation on my part but its only one of the theories that could explain why FD is sitting on these 5 unsalable houses based on their location and present listing prices.

Depending on how much debt is on the real estate how, if any of the houses sell for FD is just represents gravy. But I'm convinced the only way things will sell of the FORE assets is a forced liquidation, court ordered bankruptcy or other court attachment via GF winning the civil lawsuit. FD has literally been stuck and doing nothing other than blowing bubbles with MT for the past 2 years, other than tormenting GF in court and oh yes, planning the murder of JD. So, maybe he has been busier than I originally thought but just not with anything having to do with FORE.

MOO MOO MOO
His reported $50,000 income would not begin to cover expenses, even with GF paying for 4JC. No wonder he didn't want discovery.
 
I just took a "Google Drive" down Albany...it is interesting to me that across the street from Milagros (the possible dump site for the car mat) is the Community Health Services building. I am 99% sure they would have cameras (there is actually a camera at their entrance) and I imagine cameras all over their building. Hopefully, those cameras caught FoDumbo and his Ho-Bag dropping off the car mat. jmo...

Just hope the videos were not recorded over after a short period of time. iCloud backup would be great! NCPD requested tips and videos. I wonder if Hartford put the word out on the street as opposed to MSM requests. Has anyone heard if HartfordPD requested public tips?
 
Your observations are correct, and I agree.
So your answer is yes? She’s the accomplice who made FD tight timeline plausible?
Was MT involved in what happened to JD. IMO yes. Was MT in NC on the 24th? How much free time did MT have on the 24th? Did she need to pick up her daughter from school? We don't know if she was in NC but we do know she was in Farmington and we do know she was with FD on Albany Ave.

But, I think we need to go back to the timeline and see exactly how much time FD had over the period of the 24th - 28th as I think he had blocks of time that could allow for him to easily pull off the murder of JD solo. We have the time for the visit to NCPD, the estimated time he drove into NYC to see/pickup/kidnap the 5 Dulos children etc.

No Case Norm is pushing what I'm calling the 'impossible' narrative in that he says FD couldn't have done the crime because it couldn't be done all on the 24th. This is typical Pattis Patter and is designed to confuse and create doubt.

IMO on the 24th all FD had to do was go from Farmington to NC and kill JD and remove the body from Welles and get back to Farmington and hide the body. We are still debating how this could have been done and whether FD has assistance in moving the JD Suburban to Waveny from Welles.

IMO the Welles scene sounded too messy for this to have been a professional 'hit' unless the so called professional was a crackhead that was high at the time of the attack! A true professional would have been 'in and out' and there would be minimal cleanup. I read a local story in London about how certain hit people just use plastic bags to suffocate their victims and its over in a surprisingly short period of time with virtually no clean up.

MOO MOO
 
Just hope the videos were not recorded over after a short period of time. iCloud backup would be great! NCPD requested tips and videos. I wonder if Hartford put the word out on the street as opposed to MSM requests. Has anyone heard if HartfordPD requested public tips?
Whole situation of Farmington, Avon and Hartford was beyond strange with CCTV. There appeared to be zero organized efforts such as were seen in NC to gather up CCTV. Good hearted neighbors of FD volunteered their CCTV once they saw the news. I am honestly not sure what if anything Farmington/Avon/W. Windsor etc. LE did to assist the investigation.

We looked at the size of the Farmington PD early in this process and they aren't much different from NCPD. Perhaps they went door to door seeking footage and so the public didn't know what was going on. Perhaps the State Police stepped in took over the process in Farmington area? IDK.

I do have to say when you delve into the details of KM and how he seems to have single handledly 'corrupted' the process of his situation with his local PD, perhaps the State Police decided to take control and keep the local PDs out of the situation because they weren't trustworthy and to keep the info circle small?

The Farmington PD situation baffled me from day 1 in this case as in many respects the town was more or if not as important to this case as NC but we have seen zero involvement from them as the State Police seemed to take control along with NCPD. I find this quite curious and I wonder if we will ever find out what happened with Farmington/Avon to result in them being excluded from the investigation.

MOO
 
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Agreed.
The person must be able to see through the manipulation. They should be trained in that.
The sociopath I know had a letter written from a psychologist stating that he is a normal person with no issues (paraphrasing). He held onto that letter for over 20 years, keeping track of it through many moves. One of the ONLY pieces of paperwork he kept track of. He was very proud of that letter. Well, that letter is history. Nobody else needs to be fooled by it. I also know someone, a mentally unstable and possibly suicidal person, who was easily able to fool a psychologist and be released immediately. Of the 2 cases I know of, the professionals are 0/2. Lots more background facts here that are irrefutable though and should help in getting to the truth as there are more facts than just self-reported. IMO.
 
His reported $50,000 income would not begin to cover expenses, even with GF paying for 4JC. No wonder he didn't want discovery.
He fought discovery with everything he had in Family Court and Civil Court.

Ages ago it seems when this case first started I wondered why FD simply didn't flee the country when he had a chance. Why stay and fight a series of battles that were IMO simply unwinnable. Why give up your freedon? He and MT could have been long gone to Argentina and LE would have been none the wiser if they had done it in the window between the missing date and the arrest date IMO.

Why stay?

MOO
 
Wow- thank you all. There have been a number of fascinating time lines and theories thrown out. Can I throw out a factoid and ask two questions?

Factoid: I live in New York not far from H. Farber's Westchester home. A friend of mine who works in Connecticut adamantly asserted that the New Canaan police "know" that this was a hired hit. I don't doubt that this was sourced from people rubbing shoulders with NCPD. I am inclined to disbelieve that it is a hired hit, for reasons such as removed clothing, some clean up and body removal. It could be as simple as a PD person who was entirely unrelated to the investigation who developed that theory on his/her own. Or, there could be something to it. The first time I semi-seriously considered this was when defense was desperately searching for what accomplice evidence LE was or could be trying to develop.

Question One: Am I correct that the nanny uses the Range Rover to care for the children? And she did not live-in? Did she drive her car to Welles and pick up the Range Rover? If she brought the Range Rover home, that would be an unusual (but not impossible- given the love expressed for her) arrangement. IF she had to pick up the Range Rover from the garage, how would she not have seen blood in day light? Is there any chance that team Farber were onto something awful having happened by mid-day? If LE also knew, is there some investigative reason to start the narrative at 7:00 PM? Also, is it possible that Fotis was unaware of early dismissal, and was surprised by the arrival of the nanny earlier than usual dismissal time, resulting in "some" cleanup? Is the nanny and the housekeeper the same person- "housekeeper" used to keep Fotis thinking he successfully snuck away undetected, and to keep him from realizing she HAD to be in the garage?

Question Two: Someone told me that removing the shirt is consistent with dismemberment, so I tried to visualize it (eeeew) and decided that I would just cut the tee shirt either straight on the top of the sleeve towards the neck opening if I were going to remove an arm from the top, which I would attempt from behind the ballish part. Or, I would cut underneath at the armpit and saw or chop by lifting the arm as if I were separating chicken parts (insert vomit here). The shirt would still make it easier to steady the torso and move it around- I imagine. And the bra--- well I don't see how it would be in the way for dismembering, and I do see how it, too, would be a useful handle. On the other hand, pants or shorts would probably be easier to remove than cut. Is it possible that removing some clothes was to throw a prize into the dumpsters- those tee's are popular (although not a must have on Albany Avenue--- but the arrogant wouldn't be aware of other sets of values except negative stereotypes) ? Or could removing clothes be a way of adding a creepiness to the crime, and perhaps silently accusing EE of rape/abduction/murder? Could the removal simply be to decrease the odds that the buried body/water-dumped body get found (as others have said)?

MOO MOO MOO-
The nanny kept her car with her and did not go to the house on the 24th until after she let LE into the home, according to media accounts. The t-shirt had blood on it. It was discarded where it was IMO because FD thought it was the best way to keep it out of the hands of LE. I believe that garbage dump was intentionally planned by FD so that the bagged evidence would be destroyed at the dump before LE ever even knew it existed. The speed with which LE acted, including the execution of emergency warrants, is astounding. But for that quick action, critical evidence, like the t-shirt would have been gone. FD never counted on LE finding that evidence, which is why he placed it there. I continue to believe the t-shirt will have a tale to tell.
 
He fought discovery with everything he had in Family Court and Civil Court.

Ages ago it seems when this case first started I wondered why FD simply didn't flee the country when he had a chance. Why stay and fight a series of battles that were IMO simply unwinnable. Why give up your freedon? He and MT could have been long gone to Argentina and LE would have been none the wiser if they had done it in the window between the missing date and the arrest date IMO.

Why stay?

MOO
WIN-NING!!! Getting his possessions (the kids) back from GF, delusional thinking that they are untouchable. They hate being chased out of a place under duress. Even though it was in his best interest, NOBODY was going to force his hand like that, IMO. Really, what I really, really want to know, is if he got a sick feeling when he realized they had brought the phones to Albany Ave. Could he really be so stoopid not to know the implications of that? If he did realize the implications, I would pay good money to see him and MT freak out upon realization of their stupidity.
 
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Don't be despondent! I didn't mean to have that effect on anyone. I believe that LE has much more than shared. As Gitana, I believe, indicated, we already know about the evidence being very strong for tampering with evidence. If Fotis has to be tried for that, that alone can put him away for a good two years, which gives LE a great deal of flexibility for charging with some form(s) of murder. Fotis can push to have his trial within a year of being charged with a crime, but the charge can be made any time---there is no statute of limitations.

I for one have trouble imagining how any jury member will doubt for a second that Fotis killed Jennifer. If they doubt his doing it single-handedly, it doesn't exculpate him.

But, murderers do get off sometimes. If he is one of them, I can assure you that at the very least, the Farbers are going to pull his money from Greece into the pockets of lawyers in the US, and suck him dry of every asset he stole here.

Even more importantly, I believe in Gloria's wisdom in surrounding the children with resilience-building supports. I believe in her ability to surround them with a fantastic education and tools for putting it to use. These children, who have had a most unusual "poor little rich girl/poor little rich boy" (approximate quote of family member intended) of lives will be armed with the ability to make the world a better place. Maybe one of them will lead in DV as their MGM leads in Head Start. Maybe one of them will find a way to bring the ability to compete in sports such as skiing out of the "pay to play" world- and the child of the owner of one of the restaurants on Albany Avenue can access- and enjoy- the same coach Fotis abusively made his kids benefit from. Maybe one of them will go all in to Judaism, and create a faith-based place to heal from DV open to all. Maybe one of them will move to a resort town, and barely make enough from selling paintings and organic foods to pay the rent on the store front, but be a happy place for other poor little rich kids to build resiliency.

I do hope Fotis gets brought to justice, and there is no doubt in my mind he did it. If it is "only" civil justice, that is better than nothing. But it is even more important to me that the children he had with Jennifer have the opportunity to grow up and make the best of their nightmare --- this extraordinary version of an old misogynistic tune. If any of the Farber/Dulos children break a pattern for future generations, justice will be done.

:cool::):rolleyes::D:oops:- Five little people changing the world.

MOO MOO MOO
He is going to be convicted of first degree murder, unless there is something seriously wrong with the criminal justice system in CT. There may be more work to be done, but I have zero doubt FD murdered his wife. Yes, sometimes the guilty go free, however, I am compelled by my respect for our justice system to believe he will not be one of them.
 
His reported $50,000 income would not begin to cover expenses, even with GF paying for 4JC. No wonder he didn't want discovery.
It was this income number being put into the court record along with the 'net worth' of $341,000 if I recall, that seriously had me questioning FD sanity in a serious way.

We know he has zero respect for the US legal system or law enforcement process but who would put this info into the public record with little to substantiate it and particularly when taxes don't seem to have been filed by FD and FORE since the divorce. IMO he is simply waving the red flag for the IRS and CT Revenue to start proceedings. Why bring this attention to yourself? Why did we see no action from any court to sanction or punish this behaviour?

We simply have been witness to the self distruction of FD IMO. There is no 'winning' here, nothing that will be vindicated IMO, its just pure insanity.

Perhaps FD is simply more afraid of someone else or something else vs the US Justice System, US Govt and GF.

Its hard to watch this all play out, as I fully expect to wake up and hear on the news that the bracelet was cut off and FD is long gone for parts unknown after lighting all the FORE houses on fire! This sounds dramatic but the overall situation is simply this insane.

MOO
 
I just took a "Google Drive" down Albany...it is interesting to me that across the street from Milagros (the possible dump site for the car mat) is the Community Health Services building. I am 99% sure they would have cameras (there is actually a camera at their entrance) and I imagine cameras all over their building. Hopefully, those cameras caught FoDumbo and his Ho-Bag dropping off the car mat. jmo...

If the cctv could capture the drop-off and prop-up of the mat against the wall, it would’ve also captured the person who picked it up, right?
Let’s hope they’re able to find the mat.

Also, I wonder if LE used luminal on the wall and cement on the ground surrounding the wall in case there was at least a drop of JD’s blood.

Of course the warrants were sealed for a very good reason which makes me feel like they have so much more. Can’t wait to learn what they have!

Moo
 
WIN-NING!!! Getting his possessions (the kids) back from GF, delusional thinking that they are untouchable. They hate being chased out of a place under duress. Even though it was in his best interest, NOBODY was going to force his hand like that, IMO. Really, what I really, really want to know, is if he got a sick feeling when he realized they had brought the phones to Albany Ave. Could he really be so stoopid not to know the implications of that? If he did realize the implications, I would pay good money to see him and MT freak out upon realization of their stupidity.
Maybe that is why the 'mug' shots looked as rough as they did? Keeping the phones on Albany is a real puzzler as they must have been waiting for a call about the children or something else important! Would SO love to see those call logs during this period for MT and FD!

I also wonder how FD could have so greatly underestimated the people surrounding JD and in particular GF? I realize based on cultural issues alone that women are easy to dismiss. But seriously how could he not see the women in his life a bit more accurately? Or, was he delusional or simply so hate filled and fixed on revenge that he was in his own little world at this point in time with MT?

I also wonder whether MT was pushing for a change in their relationship as she had been sidelined for nearly 3 years labeled a 'mistress' and there was no end to the divorce in sight. Could she have been the driver to simply 'do away' with JD? Or, was the original goal to simply 'scare' or 'kidnap' JD into ending the divorce action? Or, was murder the only way that in their collective delusional state that they believed they could get the children?

I also wonder if NCPD taped the interaction at headquarters where they interviewed him and discussed the phone. My guess is that its on camera or taped or both. Would love to have heard this conversation and the role played by FD former divorce atty in this process. Will also look forward to No Case Norm working hard to exclude the phone if there is in fact multiple sources to support the interaction in NC along with all the warrants.

MOO
 
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Its curious that folks here see the houses (5 presently that we know of belonging to FORE) have personal value to FD. I just can't see it. FORE as a business hasn't been functioning since the death of FD FIL who was FD source of 'cheap money'.

FD has only been working on the Sturbridge house in NC over the past year on and off until he well and truly ran out of money for landscaping IMO. All the other houses have been sitting vacant for over a year. All the houses have been listed and marketed with brokers and at least 1-2 low ball bids have been rec'd on the MS property per MSM. But nothing has sold and prospects for sales look bleak IMO.

FD has kept the houses maintained and so far as we are aware taxes paid etc. We are aware of 2 mortgages on 4Jx, 3 mortgages on Sturbridge and at least one mortgage on 80 MS. 4Jx is in in foreclosure. Whether FD gets anything out of Sturbridge is questionable at this point given the 3 mortgages and GF $500,000 attachment as he paid $1.5 million for the property so far as I can tell unless this is an inflated purchase price due to shenanigans.

I've written before about being baffled how someone could have a business and get to the point of having 5 houses that are overpriced for the markets they are in and most likely unsalable except over a multiple year period. FD has had zero interest in pushing his business along since his FIL passing as the easy money dried up. But, IMO if FD had been running FORE as a going concern and was concerned about the future and believed his business was there for the long run, there would be no way that he would have 4 houses sitting unsalable for over 2 years. Something else IMO was going on here and while we might not know exactly what I think folks on here have had some good ideas as to what might have been going on.

I'm convinced the houses were simply the means to the end for FD in that they enabled him to most likely pay his sister huge fees, pay his crooked subs over/under the table and suck every last dollar he had out of the US for safekeeping. This is pure speculation on my part but its only one of the theories that could explain why FD is sitting on these 5 unsalable houses based on their location and present listing prices.

Depending on how much debt is on the real estate how, if any of the houses sell for FD is just represents gravy. But I'm convinced the only way things will sell of the FORE assets is a forced liquidation, court ordered bankruptcy or other court attachment via GF winning the civil lawsuit. FD has literally been stuck and doing nothing other than blowing bubbles with MT for the past 2 years, other than tormenting GF in court and oh yes, planning the murder of JD. So, maybe he has been busier than I originally thought but just not with anything having to do with FORE.

MOO MOO MOO
100% agree. Those houses meant nothing to him IMO. They were a means to an end. Heck, look at them. Like FD, they may present well on the surface, but they are devoid of any warmth or feeling of family/comfort. They were a way for FD to "play at working" by appearing to be a successful contractor, all the while living iff the wealth of his in-laws.
 
New Canaan First Selectman Statement on Jennifer Dulos Investigation
First Selectman Kevin Moynihan released the following statement on the 90-day anniversary of the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos:
As the criminal investigation by the New Canaan Police Department and the State Police into the disappearance of Jennifer Dulos continues, I want to assure the family and friends of Jennifer that the townspeople of New Canaan are keeping Jennifer and her family in our hearts and that we remain committed to seeking justice for Jennifer.
I have been in touch with a representative of Jennifer's family, Carrie Luft, who asked me to release the following statement on behalf of Jennifer's family and friends:
The terrible reality is that Jennifer is still missing. Jennifer's family and friends want the people of New Canaan to know how much we appreciate the ongoing efforts and actions of the New Canaan Police and the greater New Canaan community: candles, bracelets, flyers and more. We thank each and every one of you who is helping to keep the focus on bringing justice for Jennifer. Your support helps sustain us.'
As the school year starts, families in New Canaan may feel the need for support and/or counseling services, especially for children having concerns about continued news reports about Jennifer's disappearance. Residents may contact the Town's Human Services Department staff at 203-594-3079 or by emailing Resources. CARES can also refer residents to available support services by contacting Executive Director Ellen Brezovsky at 203-966-7862 or emailing caresinfo@newcanaancares.org"
 
It was this income number being put into the court record along with the 'net worth' of $341,000 if I recall, that seriously had me questioning FD sanity in a serious way.

We know he has zero respect for the US legal system or law enforcement process but who would put this info into the public record with little to substantiate it and particularly when taxes don't seem to have been filed by FD and FORE since the divorce. IMO he is simply waving the red flag for the IRS and CT Revenue to start proceedings. Why bring this attention to yourself? Why did we see no action from any court to sanction or punish this behaviour?

We simply have been witness to the self distruction of FD IMO. There is no 'winning' here, nothing that will be vindicated IMO, its just pure insanity.

Perhaps FD is simply more afraid of someone else or something else vs the US Justice System, US Govt and GF.

Its hard to watch this all play out, as I fully expect to wake up and hear on the news that the bracelet was cut off and FD is long gone for parts unknown after lighting all the FORE houses on fire! This sounds dramatic but the overall situation is simply this insane.

MOO
IMO, FD was well aware of IRS consequences. Full (truthful) discovery in the divorce would have been a road map for the IRS. He had a very poor strategy. Perhaps, if he had not been such a @#$%, this would have been settled early on before the financial details were so glaring. But he just kept digging himself deeper and deeper. Backs up my earlier posts about how pragmatism is overruled by the opportunity to screw others into the ground. I have seen it in living color. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. IMO.
 
IMO, FD was well aware of IRS consequences. Full (truthful) discovery in the divorce would have been a road map for the IRS. He had a very poor strategy. Perhaps, if he had not been such a @#$%, this would have been settled early on before the financial details were so glaring. But he just kept digging himself deeper and deeper. Backs up my earlier posts about how pragmatism is overruled by the opportunity to screw others into the ground. I have seen it in living color. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. IMO.

Yup, and this is a fairly common motive.

I recall the murder of Texas socialite Doris Angleton.

Her husband was a very successful bookmaker, and was worried about being exposed for tax evasion during his divorce.

He also wanted to keep those millions for himself.

He had his brother commit the murder, and this brother gave him the gift to end all gifts, when he killed himself and left behind a suicide note that “exonerated” Robert.

Robert was eventually acquitted of murder, but still served a dozen years for tax evasion.
 
The nanny kept her car with her and did not go to the house on the 24th until after she let LE into the home, according to media accounts. The t-shirt had blood on it. It was discarded where it was IMO because FD thought it was the best way to keep it out of the hands of LE. I believe that garbage dump was intentionally planned by FD so that the bagged evidence would be destroyed at the dump before LE ever even knew it existed. The speed with which LE acted, including the execution of emergency warrants, is astounding. But for that quick action, critical evidence, like the t-shirt would have been gone. FD never counted on LE finding that evidence, which is why he placed it there. I continue to believe the t-shirt will have a tale to tell.
Agree with you about the tee shirt telling a tale! Wonder if it will be a master class in transfer DNA perhaps?

We've all said that JD friends and GF reporting when they did and JD having a check in process made this entire investigation possible!

FD IMO grossly underestimated JD or JF as we probably should call her as I really wonder if she would have dropped Dulos once the divorce was done? But in my mind JD is JF!

MOO
 
WIN-NING!!! Getting his possessions (the kids) back from GF, delusional thinking that they are untouchable. They hate being chased out of a place under duress. Even though it was in his best interest, NOBODY was going to force his hand like that, IMO. Really, what I really, really want to know, is if he got a sick feeling when he realized they had brought the phones to Albany Ave. Could he really be so stoopid not to know the implications of that? If he did realize the implications, I would pay good money to see him and MT freak out upon realization of their stupidity.
Replying to my own post, LOL! I think that running away after the murder would have defeated the purpose of the murder. The purpose of the murder was for life to go merrily on: get the kids, get more money/assets, break GF and get her attention off the funds owed to her, life would go on without that troublesome Gone Girl. I think he really did want her thought of as missing or else so much easier to leave her at Welles and obliterate the scene with bleach/other chemicals or set the house on fire than to go through all the motions like Albany Ave. IMO.
 
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