Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #24

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My mind didn't go the negative direction, I took Foley to have righteous indignation that the arrogant, entitled superior acting FD figured he could use the folks on Albany avenue and their neighborhood that way.
Fair point. Funny how 2 folks can see the same thing and go in opposite directions! Its OK! Thats why I love WS!

I wasn't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one though as I thought he was being disingenuous.

He was the past Deputy Chief in Hartford and so knows what statements like that can potentially do. Making statements about race with zero stated proof doesn't make much sense IMO in this day and age. His not taking responsibility after the fact and only saying that he stood by his prior statements 100% to me said alot about him too and I found the response as disappointing as the original statement.

What is so nuts about this entire discussion is that what Foley originally said could very well have some source of truth based on evidence found in the case. If that were in fact the truth of the situation then why not just 'man up' and say it? But he didn't and so here we are in the muck. I am moving on and hope in the future Mr. Foley will choose to do better and be a better person!

My other issue too was Foley and his credibility. I don't know Foley from a hole in the wall but he was effectively asking us to 'trust him' that he was correct in his statement about the reasons why FO + HO were on Albany. He might be correct but he might also be wrong. We the public don't know because Foley didn't raise his hand to explain the source of the conclusion. Nope. We got the old 'trust me'. Sorry but in my books that doesn't work anymore and certainly not on issues of race. MOO all day long. Feel free to disagree but I think if you are pulling the race card then you better just explain why.

IMO if Foley wants public trust then he has to earn it and in this case we saw next to no effort made by the CT State Police Media team via Press Conferences or even news bulletins to reach out to the citizens of CT on this case which has so deeply touched and concerned many. Don't get me wrong here. I am NOT talking about the efforts of the amazing and incredible folks within the State Police that have done yeomans work on the Dulos case. Nope. My issue is with media strategy and communication we have seen on this case and the Foley statement.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO
 
Fair point. Funny how 2 folks can see the same thing and go in opposite directions! Its OK! Thats why I love WS!

I wasn't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one though as I thought he was being disingenuous.

He was the past Deputy Chief in Hartford and so knows what statements like that can potentially do. Making statements about race with zero stated proof doesn't make much sense IMO in this day and age. His not taking responsibility after the fact and only saying that he stood by his prior statements 100% to me said alot about him too and I found the response as disappointing as the original statement.

What is so nuts about this entire discussion is that what Foley originally said could very well have some source of truth based on evidence found in the case. If that were in fact the truth of the situation then why not just 'man up' and say it? But he didn't and so here we are in the muck. I am moving on and hope in the future Mr. Foley will choose to do better and be a better person!

My other issue too was Foley and his credibility. I don't know Foley from a hole in the wall but he was effectively asking us to 'trust him' that he was correct in his statement about the reasons why FO + HO were on Albany. He might be correct but he might also be wrong. We the public don't know because Foley didn't raise his hand to explain the source of the conclusion. Nope. We got the old 'trust me'. Sorry but in my books that doesn't work anymore and certainly not on issues of race. MOO all day long. Feel free to disagree but I think if you are pulling the race card then you better just explain why.

IMO if Foley wants public trust then he has to earn it and in this case we saw next to no effort made by the CT State Police Media team via Press Conferences or even news bulletins to reach out to the citizens of CT on this case which has so deeply touched and concerned many. Don't get me wrong here. I am NOT talking about the efforts of the amazing and incredible folks within the State Police that have done yeomans work on the Dulos case. Nope. My issue is with media strategy and communication we have seen on this case and the Foley statement.

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I have, in my past, been called a cockeyed optimist LOL I guess I couldn't see any reason to take it negatively. Sometimes I have to be smacked up long side the head to see the negative. This isn't a potential jury pool up here so no point in trying to influence folks. I agree with you about the moving on part. Not enough to go on for me.
 
I just watched it again and then again. It actually made me feel a bit queasy watching the video twice and writing about this entire topic is difficult as its a minefield.

But I thought about trying to understand on a very basic level what made me feel so uncomfortable about listening to the video, so here goes.

I have such mixed thoughts on why the State felt compelled to make this particular statement at this exact moment? And why now after months of silence from the State on the JD Case? Why not make a statement about the victim or even speak about the investigation? But no, that isn't what the State believed to be most important when it came to speak with the public after 2 months of virtual silence. Nope. The State felt it was important to speak to the public about 'disrespect' and 'pinning this crime on a person of color' as it relates to the JD case.

What purpose does the Foley statement serve? Is the statement about "disrespect" based on evidence found in the case or was the purpose of the statement to cynically prejudice potential jurors by fanning the flames of racism?

Race baiting in the Cambridge Dictionary is defined as, "the act of intentionally encouraging racism or anger about issue/s relating to race, often to get a political advantage". I hope this statement from Foley was not gratuitous race baiting and has some basis in fact using evidence found in the case investigation. But its honestly hard not to think otherwise. Really hope this is not race baiting, as Hartford and the State of CT don't need this ever IMO and certainly not now on this case.

I would like to give Foley the benefit of the doubt here but on the surface it appears that he tied a few facts together (why that neighborhood, no known ties, all minority neighborhood - all true, but are they connected or related to each other and how are they relevant to FD/MT? IDK but I hope Foley knows in great detail!) that we don't know if they are at all related to what FD and MT might have been thinking about, and drawn the conclusion that the disposal of evidence in Hartford was 'disrespectful'.

Foley is standing behind his statement 100% so we will have to see whether this trip down Albany by FD and MT was driven by factors that are truly 'disrespectful' and that this crime by FD and MT "was designed to pin it on a person of color"?

I just wish that this Foley comment and any associated evidence to support it had been presented in a court of law where I believe it appropriately belongs rather than at a press conference with zero context and the old school 'trust me I'm LE' bravado which IMO is patronizing to any thoughtful person listening that cares about all people.

I have no idea if anything being said by Foley in his statement was true as he gave a conclusion without supporting facts IMO. I just hope as a public spokesperson that he has facts to back up his statement relating to 'disrespect' and 'pinning this crime on a person of color' that these facts will be put forward in court at some point.

I would hope that LE was responsible in their statement about the event and that before calling it "disrespectful" that they had evidence from FD and/or MT to support that statement. Otherwise it seems to be fanning the flames of racial hatred and anger unnecessarily as the statements from Foley might simply not be based on fact.

IDK what to think but it made me personally very uncomfortable that Foley was asking me as somebody listening to him to trust him on this as he gave me no reason to as he provided zero in the way of information or context to make me at all comfortable trusting him.

This has been a strange WS case IMO as LE commentary has been minimal and I think we have only heard from the State Police 1 or 2 times through this entire case so far. Many on WS questioned why the trip down Albany happened and why might FD and MT picked Albany Avenue as a location to dispense with evidence in the JD case. Could the choice have been related to the racial makeup and been planned cynically by FD? Sure, many on WS believe this to be the case and its a personal opinion. I guess I hope the State Spokesperson to a higher standard than just his opinion and I hope his statements have alot of evidence to support them.

We have had none of the typical press conferences etc. that we routinely see in similar cases. So, we have no relationship with Foley (or even NCPD Chief K. for that matter) as we don't know him and he hasn't been with us all as we make our way through the public information on the case because Justice for Jennifer is important to us in some way. We really have had no relationship with any member of the State's Team even though we saw them working very hard under very difficult conditions to do their jobs.

Yet we now see a State Police Spokesperson asking us to believe with no stated proof, that the trip down Albany was "disrespectful" and "designed to pin this crime on a person of color".

Maybe Foley is correct but I will wait for the evidence to be presented in court to support his statements before believing that the trip down Albany Ave was racially motivated.

MOO

So interesting to see how others viewpoints differ. When I heard him say that, (that the trip down Albany was "disrespectful" and "designed to pin this crime on a person of color") I was thinking he was talking about the knife evidence and other evidence which might not be found yet. Is Fudge of color? Or The person he gave the knife to?

I was almost thinking he was prompting anyone who might have other evidence to come forward, is most people would not in that neighborhood? But perhaps he is trying to encourage them by saying this guy has disrespected you, and you need to bring evidence if you have any more found that could contribute to this case?
 
For sure. afitzy, it's a serious federal offense to tamper with mail... oh wait, he's already been charged, twice, for tampering!! Add these federal charges to the state charges, please Mr. Postman:

"Definition of Tampering
Generally, criminal tampering is defined as tampering with property belonging to another with no right to do so, and with the intent to cause inconvenience or worse to that person. Theft, destruction and defacement of a piece of mail – a letter, postal card, package, box or bag – from a private mailbox, collection box, postal worker or mail truck is classified as mail tampering.

Federal Laws on Mail Tampering
Because the United States Postal Service is a federal agency, mailboxes are considered federal property, and mail theft is charged as a federal offense. If you are charged with mail theft, you could face up to five years in federal prison and fines of up to $250,000. It is also a crime to injure, deface or destroy any mail deposited in a mailbox. For each act of vandalism, you could be imprisoned for up to three years and fined up to $250,000. Depending on the manner in which the mail theft is committed, you could face other criminal charges, such as assault, and breaking and entering. If personal identifying information, such as names, dates of birth, addresses, telephone numbers, tax I.D. numbers, Social Security numbers and driver’s license numbers, was stolen you could also face identity theft charges."

Consequences for Mail Tampering
Absolutely! When No Case Norm was going on and on about this in court I wished I could somehow teleport myself into the courtroom and simply grab the statement to see the address info.

I am convinced it might just be stolen and should NOT be in the possession of No Case Norm and FD. Dying to know what the provenance of this document is and I wonder if when it comes up in Court again whether Judge Blawie will inquire?

I'm not sure what the process for introducing possibly stolen items into evidence in a criminal proceeding might be?

MOO
 
Which brings to mind. It must be awful to be them.
What do they do?
How can they ever relax?
Does MT see her daughter?
She has no home.
Has she been living in a hotel all this time?
How do they shower or bathe with an ankle bracelet?
UGH. I would hate to be in their shoes.
MOO.
I am playing the world's smallest violin right now.
 
Fair point. Funny how 2 folks can see the same thing and go in opposite directions! Its OK! Thats why I love WS!

I wasn't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one though as I thought he was being disingenuous.

He was the past Deputy Chief in Hartford and so knows what statements like that can potentially do. Making statements about race with zero stated proof doesn't make much sense IMO in this day and age. His not taking responsibility after the fact and only saying that he stood by his prior statements 100% to me said alot about him too and I found the response as disappointing as the original statement.

What is so nuts about this entire discussion is that what Foley originally said could very well have some source of truth based on evidence found in the case. If that were in fact the truth of the situation then why not just 'man up' and say it? But he didn't and so here we are in the muck. I am moving on and hope in the future Mr. Foley will choose to do better and be a better person!

My other issue too was Foley and his credibility. I don't know Foley from a hole in the wall but he was effectively asking us to 'trust him' that he was correct in his statement about the reasons why FO + HO were on Albany. He might be correct but he might also be wrong. We the public don't know because Foley didn't raise his hand to explain the source of the conclusion. Nope. We got the old 'trust me'. Sorry but in my books that doesn't work anymore and certainly not on issues of race. MOO all day long. Feel free to disagree but I think if you are pulling the race card then you better just explain why.

IMO if Foley wants public trust then he has to earn it and in this case we saw next to no effort made by the CT State Police Media team via Press Conferences or even news bulletins to reach out to the citizens of CT on this case which has so deeply touched and concerned many. Don't get me wrong here. I am NOT talking about the efforts of the amazing and incredible folks within the State Police that have done yeomans work on the Dulos case. Nope. My issue is with media strategy and communication we have seen on this case and the Foley statement.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO
Really not interested in getting into the race discussion.
This is a diverse board covering East to West and North to South.
Different demographics and different levels of exposure.
IMO, levels of exposure play a huge part.
Do we really want to go there?
I completely understand where this cop is coming from.
I don't find it offensive. To me, it is what it is and how he sees it.
I have lived in the North and the South.
I am not sure it is healthy to delve in to his comments at this time.
Respectfully posting this as you are the glue that holds us all together.
MOO.
 
I just watched a bit from the court appearance and that was a straight up glare from FD toward Colangelo right before he walks away. The way I see it. They came off so unprofessional, and desperate. With NP saying, "We're eager...," which probably really means "We're nervous." This LE waiting game seems to be working on them.
 
no problem, you've just been in a heap of trouble lately. Must be the FULL MOON. :p

You are so right! I’m trying to straighten up but I just keep blundering into more trouble!!! Just enjoy your birthday and be glad I’m not there to knock over the cake with my usual grace! And then accidentally insult the guest of honor again! Omg on the full moon! Who knows what chaos will occur?! Love that emoticon! :)
 
They appear to be part of the second tampering case, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s seen them already (as part of discovery).

Who knows though.
The "Alibi Notes" in this sad tragic case are pure comedy gold I think.

Wouldn't you have loved to be standing next to No Case Norm as he scanned the "Alibi Notes" and as he was going down the list he kept saying to himself, "check", "check", "check" as he was feeling good as he recognized everything that had been told to him by FD as being his 'alibi' was there!

Then No Case Norm says, "damn *advertiser censored* *advertiser censored* xxxx" this document is the 'fake alibi' and then he yells
"F O T I S, have you been lying to me?".

And then Fotis says, "It all made sense to me!". [note no apology for making a fool out of Pattis for 3 months].

MOO
 
I’m thinking we could focus on the movements we don’t have information on so the thread keeps running smoothly?

I’m wondering what they were doing in the period we know about AW1 - afternoon and then the missing time from the warrant 5:30ish- 7 (Albany ave ) and what were they doing Saturday morning up until the time FD handed over his phone with his lawyer and refused to answer questions (5/25)

I’m disappointed nothing was found at the reservoir but I’ve waffled between dismemberment at 80MS that afternoon 5/24 and burying in a pre planned place - what I do believe is that she was in the Tacoma until the afternoon of 5/24 which would mean during their lunch at 4JC she was quite possibly on the Tacoma in his drive (if the lunch happened) JMO
Thoughts?
 
Fair point. Funny how 2 folks can see the same thing and go in opposite directions! Its OK! Thats why I love WS!

I wasn't willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one though as I thought he was being disingenuous.

He was the past Deputy Chief in Hartford and so knows what statements like that can potentially do. Making statements about race with zero stated proof doesn't make much sense IMO in this day and age. His not taking responsibility after the fact and only saying that he stood by his prior statements 100% to me said alot about him too and I found the response as disappointing as the original statement.

What is so nuts about this entire discussion is that what Foley originally said could very well have some source of truth based on evidence found in the case. If that were in fact the truth of the situation then why not just 'man up' and say it? But he didn't and so here we are in the muck. I am moving on and hope in the future Mr. Foley will choose to do better and be a better person!

My other issue too was Foley and his credibility. I don't know Foley from a hole in the wall but he was effectively asking us to 'trust him' that he was correct in his statement about the reasons why FO + HO were on Albany. He might be correct but he might also be wrong. We the public don't know because Foley didn't raise his hand to explain the source of the conclusion. Nope. We got the old 'trust me'. Sorry but in my books that doesn't work anymore and certainly not on issues of race. MOO all day long. Feel free to disagree but I think if you are pulling the race card then you better just explain why.

IMO if Foley wants public trust then he has to earn it and in this case we saw next to no effort made by the CT State Police Media team via Press Conferences or even news bulletins to reach out to the citizens of CT on this case which has so deeply touched and concerned many. Don't get me wrong here. I am NOT talking about the efforts of the amazing and incredible folks within the State Police that have done yeomans work on the Dulos case. Nope. My issue is with media strategy and communication we have seen on this case and the Foley statement.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO
I think you’re reading way too much into his statement. He’s just describing the difference in the population in these places and a theory about why FD went on his dumping spree there. It’s his professional opinion. That area is and has been for years, a high crime area. That’s why they have a police sub station there.
 
Am endeavouring to figure out when JD's body was moved from her vehicle to the Tacoma. From the affidavit it appears that the body was in both hers and the borrowed vehicle at some time. Have our super-sleuths figured it out?

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/wp-con.../2019/09/Dulos-Press-Release-with-Warrant.pdf
We do know it wasn’t in her SUV found around 7 at the park so sometime between 10:25am (her Suv caught on video leaving) on 5/24 and 7 - it was moved or the Tacoma had the body the whole time and we just haven’t seen this video? JMO
 
I’m thinking we could focus on the movements we don’t have information on so the thread keeps running smoothly?

I’m wondering what they were doing in the period we know about AW1 - afternoon and then the missing time from the warrant 5:30ish- 7 (Albany ave ) and what were they doing Saturday morning up until the time FD handed over his phone with his lawyer and refused to answer questions (5/25)

I’m disappointed nothing was found at the reservoir but I’ve waffled between dismemberment at 80MS that afternoon 5/24 and burying in a pre planned place - what I do believe is that she was in the Tacoma until the afternoon of 5/24 which would mean during their lunch at 4JC she was quite possibly on the Tacoma in his drive (if the lunch happened) JMO
Thoughts?
Unfortunately I’m going with the dismemberment . I think he started to do it in NC and continued at MS. I think she was in those bags and they went to the trash incinerator.
 
Really not interested in getting into the race discussion.
This is a diverse board covering East to West and North to South.
Different demographics and different levels of exposure.
IMO, levels of exposure play a huge part.
Do we really want to go there?
I completely understand where this cop is coming from.
I don't find it offensive. To me, it is what it is and how he sees it.
I have lived in the North and the South.
I am not sure it is healthy to delve in to his comments at this time.
Respectfully posting this as you are the glue that holds us all together.
MOO.
With you- let’s not go there
 
Really not interested in getting into the race discussion.
This is a diverse board covering East to West and North to South.
Different demographics and different levels of exposure.
IMO, levels of exposure play a huge part.
Do we really want to go there?
I completely understand where this cop is coming from.
I don't find it offensive. To me, it is what it is and how he sees it.
I have lived in the North and the South.
I am not sure it is healthy to delve in to his comments at this time.
Respectfully posting this as you are the glue that holds us all together.
MOO.
As always my vote is to say, "Let's just keep it moving" and "Let's agree to disagree"!

Sometimes it hard to tell what is important in a case and what is not. Sometimes an issue hits you at your core and you simply cannot step away from it to avoid it in any way.

Allegations surrounding race IME are always incendiary and IMO Foley as a former Deputy Chief and now State Official knew what he was doing here and he threw the bomb and then ran away!

On this particular issue only time will tell.

But my eye is on Foley as he is the guy here that knows Hartford 'inside and out'!

MOO
 
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