Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #29

[MDATCA]

Please excuse me for not knowing how this works but what is the process of the warrants being unsealed? If the judge was going to extend the seal wouldn't he have done so yesterday?
Does someone have to request the info and then it is addressed or can a person or reporter just go into a records office and get them? If it were unsealed then would team Fo violate the gag order to speak publically about anything in it?

 

[Tink56]

I'm working on letters to the Judges next but I'm only doing it to get the issues out of my head and NOT because any response will be forthcoming.

I have tried very hard to put myself into the shoes of Judge Heller in Family Court in particular and even giving weight to the views of gitana1 who I respect greatly for her knowledge of Family Law, I am not at all certain she did much to safeguard the 5 children (other than supervised visitation) or DV victim JD. IMO the Family Court case was tragic on so many levels and IMO the person responsible, in addition to the litigation participants, was Judge Heller.

I keep reading sections of the documents and Judge Heller exhibited wishful thinking that bordered on delusional when she talked about how 2 well educated people (JF and FD) should be able to work things out in the Dulos divorce. I believe this statement was repeated when the total number of motions in the case hit 400 or so. I think the old definition of insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results IMO relates to Judge Heller.

Was she waiting for another 400 motions before the case was even ready for trial? After 500 motions (around the time JF went missing) the divorce case was nowhere near ready for trial by most accounts. There is a lot of blame to go around in the divorce action as there were multiple judges and GALS etc., but the person that might have had an impact, Judge Heller, IMO just went through the motions of pushing paper and punting the ball down the field, over and over and over again.

There was no end in sight, and perhaps FD and MT both knew this and perhaps this was the motive for what happened to JF?

IDK, keep thinking about motive and how the Judges in Family Court were not blameless.

MOO

In all fairness to Judge Heller the first six to nine months of the divorce were handled by two other judges--Hon. Thomas Colin and Hon. Stanley Novack. I believe it was the Judge Colin who made the infamous remarks about two well-educated, fine people would get along once the anger had settled, and it was Judge Colin that sent FD back to 4 JC and JD to remain in NC.

The first filing for child support was made in September of 2017. None was ever established. UGH!

 

[Tink56]

I am not so sure he would have given up. The children were an extension of him and in his eyes, his property. Additionally, he was in dire need of the funds she could provide. He wanted all of their money. I don't think he would have ever settled for anything less.

ITA...It IS/WAS all about FD. The spoiled Greek god (in his mind) who deserved everything he desired.

 

[Outforjustice]

1000 likes. This was a judge without control. Also, and I have been lambasted in the past for this statement, sorry but JD attorney played a role also, IMO. I know this opinion is controversial but I think it was poor representation. The longer this went on, the more danger to JD. Weinstein is spectacular. Attorney for JD in divorce action, not so much. JMHO.

I agree with you .

What services did JD actually receive that warranted $60,000 per month in Legal fee’s?

Moo

In all fairness to Judge Heller the first six to nine months of the divorce were handled by two other judges--Hon. Thomas Colin and Hon. Stanley Novack. I believe it was the Judge Colin who made the infamous remarks about two well-educated, fine people would get along once the anger had settled, and it was Judge Colin that sent FD back to 4 JC and JD to remain in NC.

The first filing for child support was made in September of 2017. None was ever established. UGH!

If there was a temporary custody/ visitation order, there should have been a temporary child support order ?

Even if FD refused to pay it , JD could have held him in Contempt . The 2 Orders basically go hand in hand since most woman do not have the means to support 5 children by Themselves.

I don’t understand why there was Never a temporary Child Support Order.

Even if FD refused to hand over all of his financial documents, the Judge still could have established some sort of temporary support for JD based on FD’s fake income tax return and disclosure statement .

 

[afitzy]

In all fairness to Judge Heller the first six to nine months of the divorce were handled by two other judges--Hon. Thomas Colin and Hon. Stanley Novack. I believe it was the Judge Colin who made the infamous remarks about two well-educated, fine people would get along once the anger had settled, and it was Judge Colin that sent FD back to 4 JC and JD to remain in NC.

The first filing for child support was made in September of 2017. None was ever established. UGH!

Yes, the comment you refer to was made by the prior Judge as well as Judge Heller. Judge Heller also actually went one step further and made reference to children needing a relationship with their father I believe and this I believe was said after she labels him a habitual liar. I'm not sure all psychologists would agree with the need for parental relationships that are potentially damaging and/or potentially dangerous to children and/or STBX.

My OP was written in moment of deep frustration with the divorce action in particular as for lack of a better phrase I believe it to have been a 'runaway train with no winners' and it possibly was in some way responsible for the tragic consequences in this case IMO absent some bombshell that we have yet to hear about IMO.

JF and FD aside I think what hit me the hardest was the lack of focus on the children by the Judge and GAL. The leaked psych report had information about the children as well as the rest of the family. The idea that GAL Meehan has not been terminated for his role in this deep breech of protocol and violation of privacy is something I simply cannot understand.

I get that big money divorces in CT represent a 'gravy train' for all professionals involved and so they almost become like 'coliseum events' and can easily go off the rails if not controlled by the Court IMO. For the life of me I do not understand if any Judge believed the FD mistruths about the financial disclosure then why not do something to compel disclosure? We saw no consequences so far as I am aware imposed on FD. We saw FD not pay any support to his 5 children and we saw JF paying to support the entire family, including FD. Why was this permitted to happen by the Court.

I've been thinking a lot about motive in this case and every time my brain heads in the direction of Family Court. IDK much about Family Court and so its impossible to know if the issues we see there are simply how things usually work or if what happened in the Dulos case was sadly Judge and/or system related? IDK and I'm not sure how much value there is at this point trying to sort it all out as it won't bring JF back but perhaps it might help others in the future. Again, IDK.

Clearly we don't have the entire picture of the lives of JF and FD and their children so perhaps we will learn more in the coming months on other issues that might have contributed to motive. IDK.

MOO

 

[Outforjustice]

I agree with you .

What services did JD actually receive that warranted $60,000 per month in Legal fee’s?

Moo


If there was a temporary custody/ visitation order, there should have been a temporary child support order ?

Even if FD refused to pay it , JD could have held him in Contempt . The 2 Orders basically go hand in hand since most woman do not have the means to support 5 children by Themselves.

I don’t understand why there was Never a temporary Child Support Order.

Even if FD refused to hand over all of his financial documents, the Judge still could have established some sort of temporary support for JD based on FD’s fake income tax return and disclosure statement .

Replying to my own post .

And ..Why was there NO Temporary Order for The Children’s Medical Insurance ?


Moo

 

[Tink56]

Yes, the comment you refer to was made by the prior Judge as well as Judge Heller. Judge Heller also actually went one step further and made reference to children needing a relationship with their father I believe and this I believe was said after she labels him a habitual liar. I'm not sure all psychologists would agree with the need for parental relationships that are potentially damaging and/or potentially dangerous to children and/or STBX.

My OP was written in moment of deep frustration with the divorce action in particular as for lack of a better phrase I believe it to have been a 'runaway train with no winners' and it possibly was in some way responsible for the tragic consequences in this case IMO absent some bombshell that we have yet to hear about IMO.

JF and FD aside I think what hit me the hardest was the lack of focus on the children by the Judge and GAL. The leaked psych report had information about the children as well as the rest of the family. The idea that GAL Meehan has not been terminated for his role in this deep breech of protocol and violation of privacy is something I simply cannot understand.

I get that big money divorces in CT represent a 'gravy train' for all professionals involved and so they almost become like 'coliseum events' and can easily go off the rails if not controlled by the Court IMO. For the life of me I do not understand if any Judge believed the FD mistruths about the financial disclosure then why not do something to compel disclosure? We saw no consequences so far as I am aware imposed on FD. We saw FD not pay any support to his 5 children and we saw JF paying to support the entire family, including FD. Why was this permitted to happen by the Court.

I've been thinking a lot about motive in this case and every time my brain heads in the direction of Family Court. IDK much about Family Court and so its impossible to know if the issues we see there are simply how things usually work or if what happened in the Dulos case was sadly Judge and/or system related? IDK and I'm not sure how much value there is at this point trying to sort it all out as it won't bring JF back but perhaps it might help others in the future. Again, IDK.

Clearly we don't have the entire picture of the lives of JF and FD and their children so perhaps we will learn more in the coming months on other issues that might have contributed to motive. IDK.

MOO

Absolutely correct with the runaway, gravy train....I can't understand how SO MANY fruitless motions can be filed and the length of time between them....and nothing seems to change. It simply doesn't appear to be a system of justice or fairness or COMMON SENSE!

With no legal training-just life-the court system doesn't compute. IMO...MOO....

 

[sds71]

Hartford Superior Court Judge Cesar Noble seemed to contradict himself in a ruling issued last week that said Pattis did not have to attend a deposition in the lawsuits or provide information on how he was being paid.

Attorney for Jennifer Dulos’ mother renews call for info on how Norm Pattis is paid

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I am not so sure he would have given up. The children were an extension of him and in his eyes, his property. Additionally, he was in dire need of the funds she could provide. He wanted all of their money. I don't think he would have ever settled for anything less.

In this case, I believe you are correct. It would not have settled. It would have been tried to judge or jury. My comment was when funds stop, in cases all over America, many times it settles or gets a bench trial.

 

[enelram]

How does someone find out if the sealed documents have been unsealed?
Do we have to wait for msm reporting?

 

[BellaVita]

In this case, I believe you are correct. It would not have settled. It would have been tried to judge or jury. My comment was when funds stop, in cases all over America, many times it settles or gets a bench trial.

100% right on. This would have never been settled without a trial. In the county where I live, mediation is required first. If ex had actually responded to the petition and it got to the point of court ordered mediation, I would have told my lawyer to stay home and saved myself some money. Because it would have been just a useless exercise. Did JD and FD ever even get to the point of discussing how assets were going to be divided? They were still haggling about financial affidavits. I don't think this divorce was anywhere close to ending. IMO.

 

[SkylarSid]

100% right on. This would have never been settled without a trial. In the county where I live, mediation is required first. If ex had actually responded to the petition and it got to the point of court ordered mediation, I would have told my lawyer to stay home and saved myself some money. Because it would have been just a useless exercise. Did JD and FD ever even get to the point of discussing how assets were going to be divided? They were still haggling about financial affidavits. I don't think this divorce was anywhere close to ending. IMO.

He could have saved the money to pay child support with, pay back debts to the in-laws, and to make sure everyone had medical insurance. Oh, and to also pay the vendors who help build his business. IMO, those things did not concern him though....

 

[afitzy]

100% right on. This would have never been settled without a trial. In the county where I live, mediation is required first. If ex had actually responded to the petition and it got to the point of court ordered mediation, I would have told my lawyer to stay home and saved myself some money. Because it would have been just a useless exercise. Did JD and FD ever even get to the point of discussing how assets were going to be divided? They were still haggling about financial affidavits. I don't think this divorce was anywhere close to ending. IMO.

Yes, you are correct. Divorce case was nowhere near going to trial due to no resolution on finances or custody so far as I can tell. MOO

 

[Jmoose]

100% right on. This would have never been settled without a trial. In the county where I live, mediation is required first. If ex had actually responded to the petition and it got to the point of court ordered mediation, I would have told my lawyer to stay home and saved myself some money. Because it would have been just a useless exercise. Did JD and FD ever even get to the point of discussing how assets were going to be divided? They were still haggling about financial affidavits. I don't think this divorce was anywhere close to ending. IMO.

Pattis’s assertion that things were not breaking Jennifer’s way doesn’t take into consideration any of this-we all know that this divorce/custody matter was NOWHERE near its end, as you say. And I doubt it ever would have, until everybody was out of money, and there would have been nothing left to fight over (after all, what use would 5 kids have been to FD, without the money that went with them). And I don’t necessarily blame the lawyers and the court-FD was the one who had “moved on”, without being able to give JF and her money up. It’s interesting...he has been described as coming from a wealthy family, very capable in business, and an award winning builder, but yet he still couldn’t support himself, even in a minimal way. Maybe my sense of money is warped, but did he really think he had a substantial amount of money coming his way? Jennifer herself wasn’t truly fabulously wealthy; her parents were. And Jennifer and the children were really at her parents’ mercy insofar as money went. I wonder if at any time, her mother would have been able to change any aspect of the trusts or whatever it was that brought money into the Dulos household, aside from the loans her father made to The Fore Group (I am assuming the loans were made to Fore and not to FD).

 

[afitzy]

He could have saved the money to pay child support with, pay back debts to the in-laws, and to make sure everyone had medical insurance. Oh, and to also pay the vendors who help build his business. IMO, those things did not concern him though....

Yes, but I'm not sure that the trade aren't being used AGAINST Atty Weinstein in this case and in effect are no different from the 'friend' loans on the various properties. We shall see once the case goes to trial. The baffling thing about the trade is that FD/FORE had a couple of trade liens over the years but nothing like the situation at Sturbridge. IMO FD/FORE could have run out of money doing Sturbridge but one part of me says Nope that this is yet another FD/FORE game to make sure GF gets zero from any sale of Sturbridge. IDK, all conjecture on my part so we will have to wait for trial. MOO

 

[BellaVita]

He could have saved the money to pay child support with, pay back debts to the in-laws, and to make sure everyone had medical insurance. Oh, and to also pay the vendors who help build his business. IMO, those things did not concern him though....

ROTFL. These people like FD, EVERYTHING belongs to them. The labor and materials paid for by the subcontractors, Farber money, the children. The absolute feeling of entitlement is incredible. Everything is theirs and NOTHING belongs to you. They don't pay debts. They have also learned that almost all people back down and don't enforce their rights. When someone does challenge them, like GF, they are in stunned disbelief. IME.

 

[afitzy]

Pattis’s assertion that things were not breaking Jennifer’s way doesn’t take into consideration any of this-we all know that this divorce/custody matter was NOWHERE near its end, as you say. And I doubt it ever would have, until everybody was out of money, and there would have been nothing left to fight over (after all, what use would 5 kids have been to FD, without the money that went with them). And I don’t necessarily blame the lawyers and the court-FD was the one who had “moved on”, without being able to give JF and her money up. It’s interesting...he has been described as coming from a wealthy family, very capable in business, and an award winning builder, but yet he still couldn’t support himself, even in a minimal way. Maybe my sense of money is warped, but did he really think he had a substantial amount of money coming his way? Jennifer herself wasn’t truly fabulously wealthy; her parents were. And Jennifer and the children were really at her parents’ mercy insofar as money went. I wonder if at any time, her mother would have been able to change any aspect of the trusts or whatever it was that brought money into the Dulos household, aside from the loans her father made to The Fore Group (I am assuming the loans were made to Fore and not to FD).

IMO the only person believing this case was 'breaking' for FD is FD and Pattisville. Why Atty. P. continues to refer to this topic is beyond me as yet again there is IMO ZERO factual basis for such an assertion. The Atty. P. ongoing referral to the discredited psych report as PERHAPS providing a basis for this assertion as also highly suspect as nobody in the public has seen the report (other than perhaps the Press that it was leaked to by Atty. P. IMO) and the person that has seen it, Judge Heller, tossed the report in its entirety and deemed it inadmissible in Family Court and sealed it as well. I would have thought that the actions of Judge Heller on the report would have put a stake through the heart of the psych report but sadly it lives on and continues to be kept alive by Atty. P. and FD and Pattisville associates. Its all quite mysterious why this all continues to be discussed and why Judge Heller cannot stop Atty. P. public discussion and ongoing leaking of the report via references etc.

You point is an interesting one about where exactly the 'power' and 'money' was in the Farber family. We have never heard about a prenup in Family Court and I wonder if one wasn't needed because her income was tied up in a Trust that couldn't be broken by marriage/divorce etc.? IDK.

According to Pattis (for whatever that is worth IMO), GF was supporting JF from the time she left 4Jx and we know that GF also was paying for 50% of GAL fees I believe, 100% of children school fees and 50% of JF legal fees or something close to this. With her income of roughly $400,000/yr JF could have left 4Jx with no assistance but its unlikely she could have funded the divorce in the way it was conducted, put her children in private school and live in NC at the scale she did IMO. Clearly with her income JF had options that so many people in her similar situation didn't have and so she was blessed. But the GF additional funding allowed JF and her children to move to NC and stay in private school with no real change to their lifestyles and this was a huge gift to all involved IMO.

We don't know anything about trusts for the children or what would happen to the JF trust in the event of her death. Perhaps FD knew the answer to these questions and so we can add this to the growing 'motive list'.

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Hartford Superior Court Judge Cesar Noble seemed to contradict himself in a ruling issued last week that said Pattis did not have to attend a deposition in the lawsuits or provide information on how he was being paid.

Attorney for Jennifer Dulos’ mother renews call for info on how Norm Pattis is paid

“No visible means of support” has been used to pry open information in criminal activities. Maybe basing Mr. Weinstein’s argument on that premise could open the gate so needed to assist discovery of funds.

 

[SkylarSid]

Pattis’s assertion that things were not breaking Jennifer’s way doesn’t take into consideration any of this-we all know that this divorce/custody matter was NOWHERE near its end, as you say. And I doubt it ever would have, until everybody was out of money, and there would have been nothing left to fight over (after all, what use would 5 kids have been to FD, without the money that went with them). And I don’t necessarily blame the lawyers and the court-FD was the one who had “moved on”, without being able to give JF and her money up. It’s interesting...he has been described as coming from a wealthy family, very capable in business, and an award winning builder, but yet he still couldn’t support himself, even in a minimal way. Maybe my sense of money is warped, but did he really think he had a substantial amount of money coming his way? Jennifer herself wasn’t truly fabulously wealthy; her parents were. And Jennifer and the children were really at her parents’ mercy insofar as money went. I wonder if at any time, her mother would have been able to change any aspect of the trusts or whatever it was that brought money into the Dulos household, aside from the loans her father made to The Fore Group (I am assuming the loans were made to Fore and not to FD).

And we don't know the stipulations of the trust and how they may be or have been passed along offspring.

 

[Megnut]

IMO the divorce wasn't over because FD didn't want the divorce over. Control is his currency. Well, control and money, other people's money. It wasn't enough for FD to have his mistress and move on; he HAD to win, and winning meant making sure JF lost. To hurt her, punish her. Just like she said he would. It's all so very sad that he was allowed to bully her through the court system. It's wicked, to attempt to wear down, wear out the woman who was raising the children. And now he's doing the same to GF. He's exhausting. But why WOULDN'T he have every confidence he'll waltz through all these proceedings as he always has? There's teflon in that lucky vintage velvet jacket of his. But he's wrong. Jennifer is going to get the final word this time.

MOO