Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #41

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They have to have probable cause that a crime (attempted murder) occurred. They don’t. They have probable cause that it was a suicide attempt.
It does look like the warrant was signed.

Is the argument that he’s a murder suspect, and he may have left a note that could be evidence that relates to the crimes for which he’s been charged?
 
That’s the mystery question. IIRC, reports yesterday stated first responders performed extended CPR at the scene (along with reports of intubation.) No pulse etc.

But idk for sure. Has this been verified in MSM?

Definitely “how dead” depends on how long the organs were deprived of oxygen due to anemic anoxia. If he were in full cardiac/respiratory arrest - and how long? Were his pupils blown?

Oh, there were reports of him being “dead” initially. I’m not sure if the media just jumped the gun or if someone reported a fact?
Unfortunately there was no medical update yesterday to provide details. The early reports of Fd being 'dead' perhaps referred to no pulse for a period of time. IDK. Because there is no official voice to anything we are hearing as it relates to medical issues, it's virtually all speculation IMO. The drone footage was quite good for a long period of time IMO so a medically trained person could most likely view the situation and know precisely what was happening. The problem at least with the WFSB drone was that it cut off for a period of time after Fd was declared dead so its not clear what med techs on site were doing during this period. My guess is that they continued with CPR while they were waiting for the ambulances to show up. There was a fair amount of chaos with the situation and it was clear from the 8 min briefing that LE did provide that they didn't then have or want to share precise details yet regarding what happened.

If you can track back to the videos from yesterday and can explain it all then perhaps that might answer your questions. IMO he looked to be in full cardiac/respiratory arrest when he was removed from the SUV and placed on the ground outside and CPR was performed for at least 15 min during which time he looked to be unresponsive. The drone was far away and there was on audio from the med techs so we don't know anything about vitals and neuro functioning. I believe the 'lifesaving efforts' went on for at least 30 min before he was loaded into the ambulance and taken to UCONN. It is unclear when the med techs noticed the 'faint pulse' but it seems like that issue wasn't commented upon publicly until Fd was in the ambulance and on his way to UCONN.

I wish we had more information but its all very limited.

MOO
 
MOO, I believe the kids have moved on. Sure, there's some pain, but a lot of time has passed too. We know nothing of their lives now, nor should we. But I believe we really don't need to worry for them.

Why would you think they would have moved on? They are in a a very unusual situation, with their Mom's murder and Dad's involvement and suicide. Pretty horrendous and curretly national news.
 
I doubt we will learn anything until FD’s family arrives to see him. That is if they choose to make a statement.

Nothing I learned yesterday nor today changed my belief that FDs suicide attempt caused his person irreparable damage. Cardiac arrest, CPR for an extended period of time, weak pulse, portable ventilator, life support, critical condition and now dire condition. JMO.

I know we would like to hear more from a central entity like the hospital or state instead of simply NP or his associates.

I like many of you are very frustrated and upset by this outcome for reasons I have already mentioned multiple times. He never should have been out on bond and his bond should have been revoked or substantially raised after the Memorial incident on the 17th. Then he might have been in jail. Perhaps even under suicide watch.

like most of you I am sickened by what a tragedy this whole case truly is. For FD, “Was any of this really worth it?”

I am more interested in this point about what this means for KM and MT and what the state needs to do going forward with FDs case. Justice for Jennifer is why I am here.

not reasonable doubt for Fotis or Justice for Fotis or MT or KM. I’m fully fine with debating the facts and offering up theories. But this has primarily been a victims forum and as such Jennifer and justice for Jennifer is paramount.

it is just the last day plus put me in a funk when you consider all the amazing work people have put together on this forum on a variety of topics and covering several different areas of CT. To have this outcome is beyond frustrating. So many different posters working on financials, real estate, local sources etc...what will all of that ever mean?

I also do not mean to diminish human life at all regardless of what I believe about FD he did matter to people and his suicide (should his condition be what most of us suspect it to be) will leave a hole in those people’s lives as well as a massive hole in the case for Jennifer.

at the end of the day, this case exposed some hideous flaws in the civil court and criminal court in CT as well as with their bond policies.

I am beyond frustrated that it appears FD will not stand trial and be forced to hear the states case and have a jury of his peers render a judgment against him.

all I care about is Justice for Jennifer and her loved ones and where the cases go from here. Period. That’s about as much sympathy as I am capable of giving to FD period.

that being said I do not feel it is my place to say as to whether or not the 5 kids should see their father in this state. It is not my place. Nor is it my place to say how FDs family should make decisions on his care. Again not my place.

I dislike and abhor the man FD like most of the board. I am infuriated that he likely won’t stand trial. It’s put everyone including me in a funk. Like the on January 7th! Finally murder charges and things were moving along...and then this. Ugghhh


for those suffering from suicidal thoughts or may feel triggered by all the suicide talk on the forum i post the information below:

SUICIDE PREVENTION HELP: The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (800-273-8255) is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
 
BREAKING: As a part of their continued investigation, the Connecticut State Police Western District Major Crimes detectives have obtained and are executing a search warrant at the home of Fotis Dulos.
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I would love to know the specifics of the hold-up and what was ultimately used to get the warrant. What was the crime?
 
I hope they get in there before the family or anyone else in case Fotis left a note or any other evidence in the home.

My guess is if he did leave a note it did not contain a confession.

Imo
Yeah, most people who commit suicide don’t leave notes behind (something in the ballpark of 75% from what I can gather).

He seems to have a limited timeframe with which to work, and that doesn’t seem conducive to leaving a note.

It is certainly possible that he wrote one beforehand, but I think that’s unlikely.

Any note would probably continue his pattern of defiance, and be completely self serving. There’s no way this sociopath grew a conscience and did the right thing in regards to both a confession, and providing the location of the body.

So there’s likely no note, and if there is one, it doesn’t help the investigation.
 
It does look like the warrant was signed.

Is the argument that he’s a murder suspect, and he may have left a note that could be evidence that relates to the crimes for which he’s been charged?
That's what I would think.
If we are all holding our breaths to find out if he left a suicide confession note, they must be too.
 
A psych hold ? So he isn’t near death


Colangelo says NY authorities are in place to protect Dulos in hospital. Pattis says Dulos is on “functional equivalent” of a psychiatric hold.

I think Pattis means FD will be under arrest, at the hospital, being watched by police, similar to what is done when a mental patient is arrested, and held in a psych ward. I don't believe he is saying he IS ON A PSYCHIATRIC HOLD. No objections from Patti's on this rearrested makes me think Patti's doesn't think FD is going to walk out of this hospital. Moo
 
Yeah, most people who commit suicide don’t leave notes behind (something in the ballpark of 75% from what I can gather).

He seems to have a limited timeframe with which to work, and that doesn’t seem conducive to leaving a note.

It is certainly possible that he wrote one beforehand, but I think that’s unlikely.

Any note would probably continue his pattern of defiance, and be completely self serving. There’s no way this sociopath grew a conscience and did the right thing in regards to both a confession, and providing the location of the body.

So there’s likely no note, and if there is one, it doesn’t help the investigation.
Yes, I think he made the decision to kill himself that morning and there would have been no time.

Unless he simply wrote, "I did it. The body is in____. "

Imo
 
They have to have probable cause that a crime (attempted murder) occurred. They don’t. They have probable cause that it was a suicide attempt.
@gitana1, thanks a million! So, the fact that he was under house arrest wouldn't give LE here any special rights to search 4Jx? So, even if you have been arrested and released for the crimes he has been (murder, conspiracy to commit murder, kidnapping etc.) then LE still has to get a search warrant to search your house? There is nothing in the bond or terms of release that would allow for searches or say car stops or digital surveillance? Just curious as I'm sure we might see this issue again on here!
 
They have lots of probable cause that includes the three previous AWs. I'd think they could simply say they need this search warrant to look for additional evidence wrt the first three AWs. There should be no problem getting a search warrant. MOO
There was some major issues getting a search warrant as the process was started yesterday and it took over 24 hrs it appears.
 
Yes, after reading a bunch of articles and re-watching NP's interview, that's exactly what it is.
But isn't it because he is under arrest the reason for him being guarded by LE?
I thought he is saying that is what would make it easier for family to visit him.
I guess it's not a big deal but I still don't really understand.
 
Yes, after reading a bunch of articles and re-watching NP's interview, that's exactly what it is.
Then what about the woman at 4Jx? Was she a visitor or preapproved monitor? I'm confused. Spokesperson Foley yesterday made some off camera reference to a woman as being part of what sounded like 'with the detectives'. Per usual I have no idea what he meant and he didn't explain who the woman was that was at 4Jx yesterday morning.
 
Yeah, I too am thinking that a lot of loved one's hearts seize up at "last chance!", because they understand it means "last chance". I wouldn't force them, either, but I think it's a stretch to assume that they wouldn't want to just because we wouldn't want to see him ever again. That sounds more like projection.

I feel confident that GF has consulted with whatever therapists have been working with the children, and I suppose that she would take the childrens’ feelings into consideration (along with her own good judgement). What a heartbreaking mess Fd has created for his children!
 
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