Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #53

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RE: Page 7 #13....theory on who the unidentified person is?
That paragraph is not written as well as it could have been. It’s says “also removed”, which tends to make you refer back to the sentence above where it says the may was removed from the raptor. If that was the intent, my one and only guess is of course the completely unaware MT.
But then it also referenced the homeless man who found the pillow. Could the writer have been referring to his “removal” of the item from a trash can? IMO No, it seems too convoluted.
 
I wanted to drop something here for further conversation. Just so we have the link. On Search warrants, page 172, item 14, FD DID NOT on 5/17/2019 receive the right to reintroduce his children to MT. I’m seeing this discussion in SM that he had been awarded it.
In fact , this was part of my contention in a very long ago post that the “rage”, IMO I felt was necessary for this attack, came from MT.
Jennifer Dulos Search Warrants
I was looking for something else and found this early article by Altimari. It discusses the last visitation arrangement that omitted MT from the picture.

Interesting the FD paid the GAL for his services on the evening of the 22nd. Was he trying to win back favor from Meehan?

‘I’m not Charles Manson:’ Court transcripts show escalating tension and anger in two-year Dulos divorce
 
I bow to your photographic memory @sds71

Here’s another one for you. Have we ever seen the actual Subway receipt or a copy of the accident report for MT on 5/17/19?

I couldn’t find a free CT one. I’ll keep trying. Anyway the girl can’t drive…

(Accident Information Summaries are only available for a limited time. Currently, most accidents that took place between Dec 24, 2020 and Feb 16, 2021 have available summaries. If you don't see your summary, you may wish to try again in a day or two; otherwise, contact the troop that handled the accident: Connecticut State Police Troops and Districts)


MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction A2EPV1P CLOSED 3166461 - NO PROOF OF INS 08/22/2017 132017TR000A2EPV1P00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction A2EPV2P CLOSED 3161891 - SPDING MUN RD 08/22/2017 132017TR000A2EPV2P00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 1905GQQ CLOSED 316187 - SPD/PSTD ST ROAD 06/28/2013 132013TR0001905GQQ00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 8780RPA CLOSED 3160751C1 - FAI/TO STOP LITE 02/07/2009 132009TR0008780RPA00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 6275EYT CLOSED 31619251 - CARELESS DRV 05/09/2007 132007TR0006275EYT00 $0.00
Traffic & Parking
 
I bow to your photographic memory @sds71

Here’s another one for you. Have we ever seen the actual Subway receipt or a copy of the accident report for MT on 5/17/19?
I seem to recall someone questioning if the Subway Receipt was from the Nanny purchasing lunch for the kids to eat at Welles before heading to the city?
 
Do you all want me to keep track of this one? And if so - what are their first names - Hugs & Weinstein.

And @sds71 - any date yet in April for the probate court?

TIA! :)
Christopher Hug v. Pattis & Smith;
Mark Dean, Trustee v. P&S
(MD is trustee of Farber Trust, represented by Richard Weinstein)

The two cases are consolidated.
 
I too remember that. Wonder if that information would be under Lauren in the arrest or search warrants.
I'm the person who thought I recalled reading the receipt was from the nanny, but I have searched throughout the thread and can't find an earlier mention of that. I've also searched the AW, some of the SW's, and news articles. Most repeat the AW "the nanny served the children lunch," but one story ("Murder in Fairfield County") written in AirMail.com and behind a paywall says "the nanny made lunch."

So, my recall might be wrong. I don't think we know for sure whose Subway receipt that was.
 
I'm the person who thought I recalled reading the receipt was from the nanny, but I have searched throughout the thread and can't find an earlier mention of that. I've also searched the AW, some of the SW's, and news articles. Most repeat the AW "the nanny served the children lunch," but one story ("Murder in Fairfield County") written in AirMail.com and behind a paywall says "the nanny made lunch."

So, my recall might be wrong. I don't think we know for sure whose Subway receipt that was.
I think if we saw the total cost on that receipt, we could probably rule out the kid’s lunch! IMO!
 
I couldn’t find a free CT one. I’ll keep trying. Anyway the girl can’t drive…

(Accident Information Summaries are only available for a limited time. Currently, most accidents that took place between Dec 24, 2020 and Feb 16, 2021 have available summaries. If you don't see your summary, you may wish to try again in a day or two; otherwise, contact the troop that handled the accident: Connecticut State Police Troops and Districts)


MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction A2EPV1P CLOSED 3166461 - NO PROOF OF INS 08/22/2017 132017TR000A2EPV1P00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction A2EPV2P CLOSED 3161891 - SPDING MUN RD 08/22/2017 132017TR000A2EPV2P00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 1905GQQ CLOSED 316187 - SPD/PSTD ST ROAD 06/28/2013 132013TR0001905GQQ00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 8780RPA CLOSED 3160751C1 - FAI/TO STOP LITE 02/07/2009 132009TR0008780RPA00 $0.00
MICHELLE TROCONIS 1974 Infraction 6275EYT CLOSED 31619251 - CARELESS DRV 05/09/2007 132007TR0006275EYT00 $0.00
Traffic & Parking
BBM.
That there is pretty funny.
Have to say I can relate.
MOO.
 
Article in Hartford Courant about homeless man George who found the bloody pillow in the garbage container and a folding hunting knife police suspect was used to kill Jennifer. He was seen on video. In all the articles I've read, I never did read one where it named the homeless man.

Police suspect a folding hunting knife was used to kill Jennifer Farber Dulos. A Hartford man sold it for $10.

Yes, unnamed as he’s a potential witness.

I hope by now they’ve found Fudge and the knife too! Moo
 
Wow you all are on a roll this morning! I have been thinking all along that Jennifer’s murder was about revenge and getting full custody of the children and their trust funds. Now after reading some of these posts this morning my mind is open to another possibility. Were FD & MT planning to flee the country immediately with the children?! Were their bags packed and FD thought he would simply be able to get the children without supervision in the initial chaos & confusion during the search for Jennifer?

Did he go to JD’s mother’s apartment that night to see the kids because he was planning to suggest that it would be the best thing for them if he just went ahead and took them home with him that night? Their mother is missing...they need their father right now etc. JD’s mom not letting him in and calling the police might have ruined their initial escape plan. Is that why FD was texting the nanny and telling her not to be late in bringing the children in the morning? Was the escape plan on hold until they got there? I’m not clear what happened that day or if a supervisor or LE came to the house or if the nanny was instructed not to take the children to FD’s house. Was LE already suspecting FD at this point? Did FD & MT miss their window of opportunity to get away? I’m not sure when LE took FD’s phone which led to the pings on Albany Avenue and the trash bags etc. but it was pretty quick considering they recovered some of the bags. FD really screwed up handing over his cell phone!

Did LE find evidence that FD had actually completed the Greek passport applications for the children and had received their passports? And that airline tickets were purchased or a private plane was on standby...did LE discover evidence of a bank account in Greece in FD’s name or in another country in MT’s name...remember the question asking MT if she transferred any of FD’s assets into her name?! Maybe they were planning to take off right after the deed was done and that’s why they were so careless with disposing of the evidence. If they were caught on video in Hartford FD thought they would be long gone by the time LE figured that out and the garbage would be long gone too. Did FD drain the line of credit and not pay the huge mortgages because he was putting all of that money into a secret overseas account? I didn’t know FD rented a Yukon that seats 8 people either...why would he need that? Did FD quickly realize their original plan was not going to succeed and they were scrambling to come up with a Plan B? I wonder if there were any discussions between FD & MT about fleeing the country and leaving the children behind?

If FD really loved MT when he realized he couldn’t get away wouldn’t he have told her to leave the country? I don’t think he did truly love MT, I think he liked her and admired her athletic skills, and using her was not unpleasant for him. But it’s hard to believe he had long term plans of combining their families and having a future life together in another country. Was he using her to get his assets situated overseas and he was planning to break up with her later? Afterall if he involved her in the planning and/or coverup of JD’s murder then he wouldn’t have to worry about her turning him in.

But this speculation they were going to flee the country with the children leads me to question if FD took the children out of the country then how would he gain access to their trust funds? Maybe it wasn’t about getting his hands on that money at all because he already had enough set aside. Could it just have been about getting the children and starting over? Did FD actually love his children even if he was a sociopath? Are they capable of real love? Maybe if the children are part of him. Could he rationalize loving his children while hurting them by taking away their mother? It isn’t hard to believe he was just that selfish. But if it wasn’t about money or revenge then why kill JD at all? There would have been much easier ways to get kidnap the children. They could have subdued the supervisor during a visit and took off. Or maybe FD didn’t even plan to kill JD that morning. What if he was just going to abduct her, zip tie her and hide her somewhere to get her out of the way so when she didn’t pick the kids up from school they would call him and he could pick them up by himself and take off. But what if JD fought him too hard and he ended up killing her and everything went sideways from there? If JD didn’t pick up the children who would the school have called? FD? No time to arrange for a supervised visit then if the school was about to close. Would they have called JD’s mother? I wonder who was listed as the emergency contact? Surely not the nanny. It would make sense that it would be their father unless JD had changed it. But it sounds like the nanny had already planned to pick up the children after school that day because JD was supposed to meet them in NYC later that afternoon. Did FD not know about this? JD didn’t have to tell FD her day to day plans unless it involved his time with their kids. Did the nanny always pick up the kids after school or did JD usually drop them off AND pick them up and different arrangements were made that day due to JD’s appointment in the city?

My mind is going in two different directions right now because I still think the most likely reason JD was murdered was FD’s sick revenge fantasy and getting his hands on the children's trust fund money. But some things I have read this morning have opened my mind to the possibility that FD & MT might have been planning to flee the country with the children right after the murder. FD was almost broke and had large bills coming due. And didn’t he owe Jennifer’s mother 2.5 million dollars?! He had to know she would fight him re the custody of the children and their trusts. He couldn’t collect any life insurance for JD (if he was still a beneficiary) while she was still missing and without a body. It could take years until she was declared deceased. How was he planning to live in the meantime? It could take many years and many thousands of dollars he didn’t have for the legal fees before he could ever reap any benefits. Plus the investigation would be ongoing and there might be a possibility of Jennifer’s remains being found. Could he carry on living his life there with all of this hanging over his head - and the possibility of KM or MT turning on him? And if he was a suspect his reputation would be ruined and his business was already failing anyway. It’s a ton of risk for a reward that might never come. It almost makes more sense if they were planning to flee. MOO

Edit: I didn’t realize this was so long. Guess I was on a roll too sorry! :rolleyes:
Hi Lilypad. Great post and insights. Small clarification in case helpful is that I do not believe the school would have called FD to pick up the kids in JD’s absence. If I remember correctly from something we read here (long ago) is that his access to school premises was controlled/limited because the school had been placed on some sort of official alert. IMO IIRC
 
Yes, unnamed as he’s a potential witness.

I hope by now they’ve found Fudge and the knife too! Moo
They did find Fudge. Hoping they found the knife he sold because he was hungry.
What isn't mentioned is George's comments when he found the bloody pillow. Posted that above.
They did interview another woman on the news. She worked in a market. She noticed the truck and that it didn't belong there.
Don't know if it was MT/whomever that said FD frequently disposed of trash to avoid paying fees.
MT spoke of him going to a creepy area. That being Albany Ave. Had she gone with him other places to dispose of trash in the past? Areas that weren't creepy?
MOO.
 
Something that keeps bugging me is the Subway receipt dated 5/24/2019 (#81 on the search warrant table) retrieved from the garage at 69 WL. There is no time given if it was on the receipt. I thought Subway was just a lunch place but I see they do serve breakfast until 11 am. Jennifer was seen on her neighbor’s security camera at 8:05 am returning from dropping off the children at school. Do we know what time she left the house? I remember the morning school rush and we never would have had time to stop for breakfast on the way to school! Did she have time after dropping them off right before 8 am at school and returning home at 8:05 am to stop at Subway? Iirc there was a tea and uneaten muffin found on the kitchen counter. Could that have been from Subway and not something she made at home? Maybe she dropped the children off a little earlier and there is a Subway near the school on the way home. And she could have walked in through the garage and set the breakfast items on the counter, was startled by FD, tried to run back out to the garage through the mud room, dropped her purse...

It was most likely her receipt but it was found in the garage and not in her Suburban so I was just wondering if it could have been FD’s receipt and it fell out of his pocket in the struggle? Then there could be video of FD at Subway that morning. Do killers stop for breakfast? Probably not. (Maybe hungry and dumb ones?) Didn’t see any search warrant requests for video from Subway. I’m sure LE would have followed up on this clue if it was important. Thoughts?
Don’t think the Subway receipt would have been one from JD - at least not from that morning. Would not have been on her path to and from school and in fact the only Subway in New Canaan closed in 2018. So if it was a 5/24 purchase date would more likely be FD or nanny stopping along Merritt Parkway en route to NC. MOO
 
I'm the person who thought I recalled reading the receipt was from the nanny, but I have searched throughout the thread and can't find an earlier mention of that. I've also searched the AW, some of the SW's, and news articles. Most repeat the AW "the nanny served the children lunch," but one story ("Murder in Fairfield County") written in AirMail.com and behind a paywall says "the nanny made lunch."

So, my recall might be wrong. I don't think we know for sure whose Subway receipt that was.
“Made lunch” and “served lunch” in this context might have been considered relatively interchangeable assuming not directly linked to the potential crime? Love the diligence here though!
 
After catching up a little on all the great research, theories and insights here, I am confused on just one topic as a WS relative newbie. Is AC off limits to discuss (TOS?) even though she must have a ton of deep and relevant personal insights directly from FD in those last months she was keeping the bed warm? I’m fascinated by how successfully she seems to have fallen off the radar.
 
After catching up a little on all the great research, theories and insights here, I am confused on just one topic as a WS relative newbie. Is AC off limits to discuss (TOS?) even though she must have a ton of deep and relevant personal insights directly from FD in those last months she was keeping the bed warm? I’m fascinated by how successfully she seems to have fallen off the radar.

IMO, AC successfully falling off the radar is as it should be.

I think AC was a victim of FD. She was used by FD to meet his financial responsibility to stay out of jail, and also with his attempt to cure his false collateral, and ultimately left AC holding the bag, if you will (AC financed the non-refundable bond agent fee at more than $350K after FD's January 2020 arrest for murder).

Seems to me that AC was FD's long-time reserve narc supply that he called upon the moment MT's supply vanished -- by court order.

Fotis Dulos had new girlfriend who fronted $150,000 for his bond | Daily Mail Online
MOO
 
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Don’t think the Subway receipt would have been one from JD - at least not from that morning. Would not have been on her path to and from school and in fact the only Subway in New Canaan closed in 2018. So if it was a 5/24 purchase date would more likely be FD or nanny stopping along Merritt Parkway en route to NC. MOO
I've not reviewed the search warrant for some time but part of me wonders if the Subway receipt was in-fact located inside one of the vehicles parked inside the garage. I recall a vehicle was itemized soon after the subway receipt--not JD's Suburban. MOO
 
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