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On the issue of FD paying OR NOT for trash removal I do think that even our dire speculative estimates here on WS about the state of his finances, really underestimated how little cash he had. Highly likely he couldn't pay for dumpster tips. I also bet that MT paid for the Starbucks lattes on Albany too as by that time FD was in a huge financial mess, with little to no cash on hand, that he couldn't extricate himself from without assistance and he didn't have anyone raising their hands to help him! He was trying most likely to wind up Anna Curry to help but it all ended before he could try to save FORE one more time.
FD was living on credit cards until even those started getting cancelled and declined. FD assets were mortgaged to the hilt, he owed the Farbers millions (think it was $2.9 million+ per the Civil Trial but this never included whatever he had taken from JF over the course of their marriage or spent on MT and other mistresses over the years using JF cash), and his carrying costs on the FORE assets which weren't selling wasn't insignificant. I'm sure his tax returns make for an amusing read as well! The divorce fight had cost FD a good amount in legal fees but towards the end he was representing himself so this was another tip off as to how bad his cash flow situation was at the time. JF was at one point paying upwards of $60,000/month for legal fees in addition to paying all expenses relating to the children. FD was supposed to pay for the family insurance but he also cut this off without notice and JF only found out when she took a sick child to the doctor. I'm curious whether he paid for insurance for MT and her daughter whilst cutting off his own children from coverage?
From the Civil Trial we learned that FD wouldn't or couldn't even pay for 4JX which was an interest only mortgage. FD also never paid ANY child support during the period of the separation either so it can't be said his last penny was spent taking care of his children. FD NEVER FINANCIALLY TOOK CARE OF HIS CHILDREN (he said in Court depo I believe that he didn't pay support because no Court had ever required it of him). Taxes on JUST 4JX in 2023 were $43,000 per annum ($3,500/month) and were the tip of the iceberg in terms of FD cash flow problems. Its been awhile since I read about the farce of the final reconciliation of FD Estate. There was effectively zero left (most pilfered by attorneys associated with the process iirc and GF got some small amount for legal fees iirc) or some pitiful amount like $200 for the 5 children after all was said and done. Each of the houses I believe was in foreclosure and so any remaining equity was effectively sucked out of the properties by the bank fees and handling attorneys and at least one of the properties was over leveraged iirc (think it was Danbury Savings Bank and Sturbridge but its been a long time since all these issues were rehashed). Mike Dinan wrote the best article on his estimates of the financial issues so if you are interested search it out.
So, where did the money FD had go if it didn't go to pay for hauling? Its speculation and I truly think the only people that might know or have solid suspicions would be GF and Atty Weinstein or perhaps FD Sister Rena who I would bet might have been the beneficiary of FD largess courtesy of the Farbers for years. FORE Group always had a good sized staff until most of them left as FD didn't really do the work at FORE and left it to others (but he was surprisingly meticulous about only doing the books himself!). Given how he staffed FORE, I would be surprised if it ever made much money and certainly not enough to afford his lifestyle and 5 children in private school etc.
For my money I believe FD lived large with MT for more than a couple of years using Farber money before JF found out about the affair and FD (and MT) never thought the Farber cash spigot would end. The FD solution was to ask/demand JF to allow MT and her daughter to live with them all at 4JX. FD delusion and narcissism at its finest imo and yet MT still dreamed of a life with this man! I also believe he most likely spent years squirrelling away Farber money until possibly JF woke up and figured out how much he had actually taken but we don't know this for sure. Where this money might have gone is unknown but perhaps his sister knows?
I think one of the more tragic/amusing statements from Law Enforcement was when they told an angry MT in one of her interviews that they had FD texts going back months to JF saying that he wanted to get back together with her! Classic narc move its true (and God knows what he was telling MT at the time or even burning up the phone lines with Anna Curry saying she was the love of his life and he missed her desperately and that MT was nagging him to get married etc.), but the reality was FD didn't want to work and was truly broke and just didn't want to tell MT (she said in one of her statements to police that, "we fight all the time"). I do wonder how many times JF had taken him back over the years? We will never know. Its just so classic that as MT sat with law enforcement looking at some very serious charges that she had already been dumped by her lover who couldn't even pay to haul away his own garbage and who always had his eye on the next woman with money. MT had zero to offer FD but she didn't see it and he didn't tell her even though they were both hooking up during the time period the Court told them not to see each other.
To put the situation in perspective, my recollection was that when FD and Anna Curry perpetrated their bail bond scheme/fraud to keep FD out of jail (it failed and the rest we know), FD only contributed $1,000 and Anna Curry put up the rest for the bond along with what I suspect were false representations from FD on about of equity in the properties he put up for the bond. Whole fraud was shocking as Pattis had to have seen the package and known it to be untrue.
Frankly I'm surprised FD had $1,000 cash at that point as he had given Pattis & Co. I believe $250,000 or so (this was part of lawsuit eventually between GF and FD) for his defence. FDs final financial transaction in his sorry life was to perpetrate a bail bond fraud with the woman he dumped MT for, Anna Curry who was then living at 4JX.
One of the many mysteries of this case was WHY this fraud was never pursued by the State of CT or its Insurance Board who I believe might have jurisdiction over bail bonds. Did Anna Curry get her money back from the bail bond company? IDK. Nothing made sense about how Anna Curry and Norm Pattis were able to do what they did with the bond and Anna Curry melts away back to North Carolina after sitting at FD bedside in the NY Hospital. Perhaps we shall hear from Anna Curry as a witness at trial? IDK, still can't find the witness list....
Anyway, getting back to trash removal. My speculation is that FD simply couldn't pay for hauling as he didn't have the cash. His whole financial picture was money going out but no money coming in. MT contributed zero as she didn't work but my guess is that she might have used her support money to pay for food at 4JX and gas (similar situation most likely with Anna Curry). There was the local story in NC that FD was at local gas station and used a bunch of credit cards to fill up his truck but they all were declined. Who knows if this rumour is true but it made the rounds. Remember the dumpster at Sturbridge and the 'loud bang', speculation was that the dumpster was removed because FD couldn't pay for it. Haulers don't mess around with folks that don't pay. I also think many wonder if that Sturbridge dumpster was the last rising place for JF as who could forget FD asking PG many times, "...did you hear anything in NC when you were there..." or some such FD nonsense?
FWIW imo the MT story of the latte run to a different Starbucks than the one they usually went to with a little bit the bag tossing along the way in a neighbourhood she claims no knowledge of, has to be one of the most idiotic Defendant alibi claims yet. Thing is that she also alleges that she spent the trip speaking to her friend Petu on her cell phone, who I also believe provided some alibi support for MT earlier iirc. and also that she and FD had thrown out bags illegally before. Very curious if LE knew about this or perhaps the Farmington Recycling Center?
The MT Alibi always seemed scripted and many gaps have not yet been filled in by LE I look forward to hearing about the truth of the alibi in HD! Perhaps we will hear from Petu at trial as Judge Randolph tossed the MT cell phone from evidence? I have to admit to being quite curious about the details of the MT alibi from Petu or whomever, but I'm sure the State has matters regarding this particular claim well in hand if I had to place a bet. People sometimes tend to tell the truth when sworn in under oath too, so we shall see if Petu exists and whether any aspect of what MT says about her interactions and conversations with Petu are truthful.
But, like so much said by MT, there have been a few different versions about what she was doing on Albany and I seem to recall another story where she said she was talking with her daughter or her mother etc. Perhaps we shall finally hear from Mama Troconis who I believe has testified on her daughters behalf in one of the prior hearings for the case (I don't recall the details but I seem to remember it might have had something to do with the MT cell phone being seized - Ah Dios mio those evil police grabbed my dear Michi's phone etc). Very curious to see if Mama Troconis given her personal history with the US Federal Govt. in FL would be willing to subject herself to cross examination in a CT Court? Stay tuned on that one but I'm not holding my breath, but I have placed her on the bingo card so we shall have to wait and see!
