Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #59

[Diddian]

A thought about the ring full of keys:

Remember the vehicle musical chairs that took place after PG showed up at 80 MS Rd at the end of the workday, looking for FD and for his Toyota keys (which were not left at 4JC where he left them)? Instead of just allowing PG to take off with his Toyota from where they all were at 80 MS Rd, FD insisted that PG drive the Raptor back to 4JC (which PG did after first driving back to 585 Deercliff to return the ramp he had stopped to get from there before driving to 80 MS Rd in prep for dirt bike riding that Memorial Day weekend). Then, FD would drive PG back to 80 MS Rd to deliver him to his Toyota.

PG told LE he saw his keys sticking out of the Toyota‘s passenger door when he was initially at 80 MS Rd, but when he and FD returned, those keys were gone. FD tried to talk PG into just taking the Raptor home for the weekend, but PG insisted he wanted his Toyota, so FD called MT to bring the Toyota‘s keys, which she then did.

Maybe FD/MT had his own key made for the Toyota and it was THAT key that PG had seen sticking out of the passenger door and since it was on a ring with FD’s other keys (say, to project houses) rather than with PG’s own other keys, that was why FD insisted on getting PG away from 80 MS Rd (so MT could collect that duplicated key before PG became aware of it).

Maybe the keys found in the garbage bin on Albany Ave included a duplicate Toyota Tacoma key (a duplicate that FD or MT had made without PG’s permission).

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

As best I can determine, the ring of keys (now in post #100 in this thread, ~8 or so keys) appear to be for door knob mechanism and dead bolt latches. I don’t think they are automotive in nature? But I could be wrong. MOO

And with the many properties associated with the Fore Group, that might be the case? IMO

 

[LosAngeles]

There’s been some suggestion that FD was trying to frame a worker type guy living in that area ….

This might be a stretch, but Jennifer's family has a home in Pound Ridge, NY that is rarely occupied. I wonder if this property has been investigated for remains? IDK. It's very woody and rural and if KM was involved in "transportation" without a "phone" (only a burner phone) then quite possible. One of the housekeys?

 

[MX27875]

why are they starting with Albany Ave and not the musical cars? Shouldn’t they go chronologically?

 

[LosAngeles]

Yes—sadness.
A mentor once told me that all humans compartmentalize, but people capable of great cruelty can compartmentalize to an astonishing degree. That’s what I think of here. Not even an attempt at a normal response to viewing Jennifer’s bloody, cut-up clothing.

I know. An innocent person would have covered her eyes thinking "I was involved in this, what the heck?"

 

[carolmaria]

This might be a stretch, but Jennifer's family has a home in Pound Ridge, NY that is rarely occupied. I wonder if this property has been investigated for remains? IDK. It's very woody and rural and if KM was involved in "transportation" without a "phone" (only a burner phone) then quite possible. One of the housekeys?

Yes, very early in the investigation:

Investigation Into Missing Connecticut Woman Shifts To Affluent Westchester County Town

CBS2 has learned that police are convinced Jennifer Dulos is a victim of foul play.

www.cbsnews.com

How extensive the search was, and if searchers returned to Pound Ridge, I don’t know.

 

[MX27875]

And I think this is a slam dunk. There’s no reason to drag this out for 6 weeks based on what was already presented.

 

[Alkali13]

Yes—sadness.
A mentor once told me that all humans compartmentalize, but people capable of great cruelty can compartmentalize to an astonishing degree. That’s what I think of here. Not even an attempt at a normal response to viewing Jennifer’s bloody, cut-up clothing.

See, this is exactly how I read what she was doing and didn't know how to articulate it since I too compartmentalize a lot. The difference is I have empathy and can feel emotions. I can both look at the evidence today and ache heavily but also detach and look at it in a very matter-of-fact way. This is evidence of what they did to her.

Everyone deals with emotions differently, and I honestly think her diddling around with her phone was a way to distract from whatever she was feeling in the moment, but what the heck? Have respect. You're in a court of law being tried for involvement in the murder of an innocent woman. Have the decency to look like you care.

 

[Alkali13]

This might be a stretch, but Jennifer's family has a home in Pound Ridge, NY that is rarely occupied. I wonder if this property has been investigated for remains? IDK. It's very woody and rural and if KM was involved in "transportation" without a "phone" (only a burner phone) then quite possible. One of the housekeys?

My understanding is yes, this property has been searched per @afitzy

 

[Alkali13]

why are they starting with Albany Ave and not the musical cars? Shouldn’t they go chronologically?

I think they're going in the order they discovered evidence.

 

[Alkali13]

And I think this is a slam dunk. There’s no reason to drag this out for 6 weeks based on what was already presented.

But have you met Schoenhorn?

 

[LosAngeles]

See, this is exactly how I read what she was doing and didn't know how to articulate it since I too compartmentalize a lot. The difference is I have empathy and can feel emotions. I can both look at the evidence today and ache heavily but also detach and look at it in a very matter-of-fact way. This is evidence of what they did to her.

Everyone deals with emotions differently, and I honestly think her diddling around with her phone was a way to distract from whatever she was feeling in the moment, but what the heck? Have respect. You're in a court of law being tried for involvement in the murder of an innocent woman. Have the decency to look like you care.

Sadly, she's not decent. No respect or honor or affect of any of today's testimony. I hope someone is taking good care of her daughter.

 

[Megnut]

See, this is exactly how I read what she was doing and didn't know how to articulate it since I too compartmentalize a lot. The difference is I have empathy and can feel emotions. I can both look at the evidence today and ache heavily but also detach and look at it in a very matter-of-fact way. This is evidence of what they did to her.

Everyone deals with emotions differently, and I honestly think her diddling around with her phone was a way to distract from whatever she was feeling in the moment, but what the heck? Have respect. You're in a court of law being tried for involvement in the murder of an innocent woman. Have the decency to look like you care.

Rbbm

This.

 

[afitzy]

My understanding is yes, this property has been searched per @afitzy

@LosAngeles, Yes, the property in Pound Ridge and the adjacent pond was searched long ago by Law Enforcement - see below article. Pound Ridge property is presently owned by an LLC per Town tax map. It is unknown if this LLC is related to GF or whether the property was sold but she is a private citizen and I believe she and her family deserve privacy as the Victims in this case. I think the correct way (vs my prior post on this topic so I apologise for description in prior post) to describe the Pound Ridge property status would be to state that ownership of the property looks to have changed since the murder of JF.

MAY 30, 2019 (From CT Insider) https://www.ctinsider.com/projects/news/jennifer-fotis-dulos-michelle-troconis-ct-timeline/​

Dulos case being treated as a homicide​

On the night of May 30, 2019, law enforcement sources close to the investigation said Jennifer Dulos’ case was being treated as a homicide.

That same day, a New Canaan police lieutenant said the search for Dulos crossed state lines as officers looked at her parents’ property in Pound Ridge, N.Y. Police also started to search Irwin Park on Weed Street – about a five-minute drive north of Welles Lane.

 

[NCmom99]

FD had 4 or 5 houses (MS, 4JX, Sturbridge, Deercliff) so maybe he used old locks until the houses were sold? Seems odd but maybe it was a way to save money idk? This article about his estate references 5 properties: https://www.thehour.com/local/article/All-of-Fotis-Dulos-properties-now-in-15356578.php

Ok so the saving money motivation might make sense for someone who apparently couldn’t even budget for proper contracting trash removal without breaking the law by driving around to random dumpsters in other neighborhoods. But who on earth who is even modestly successful living in a house like 4 JC would elect to spend any of their free time doing this Instead of just paying for the service like everything else? What a far cry from the image FD assumedly used to hook MT - did she really accept this as the FD status quo and she innocently assumed she was being treated to an exciting date just to drive around in all directions to ultimately end up at a Starbucks on a holiday weekend Friday night?

 

[NCmom99]

Yes—sadness.
A mentor once told me that all humans compartmentalize, but people capable of great cruelty can compartmentalize to an astonishing degree. That’s what I think of here. Not even an attempt at a normal response to viewing Jennifer’s bloody, cut-up clothing.

Thank you for providing the word I’ve been searching my brain for - compartmentalize! I might resort to the same at this point if caught in MT’s shoes. But her lack of any helpful response back in late May 2019 in a crisis life or death situation? Yikes!

 

[DeDee]

Sorry to be unclear. What I meant to suggest was another location other than 80MS where the body most likely was dealt with by FD and possibly MT as her timeline is unclear during the timeframe imo.

In the AAs I don't believe we got much info about what all was found at 80MS. I think many thought that 80MS was simply used to gather up all the items for disposal and load up the Raptor for the Albany trip. I personally don't think FD would have used 80MS to dispose of the body as imo absent a "professional 'clean up' team by the CIA etc. it would be impossible to remove all traces and he needed to sell that property as his cash was gone. MOO

My personal opinion was that 80MS was just to get bags together for the Raptor and possibly clean up of the bodies of MT and FD but imo this was a risky move too...MT was caught allegedly cleaning the shower/bathroom but we never really saw in the AA what was found from an evidence standpoint in that shower iirc. MT didn't do much cleaning at 80MS by all accounts so the idea that she did seem to be cleaning in the bathroom was interesting imo.

MOO

RE: Fotis Dulos net worth

JAN 11, 2024
FARMINGTON — The estate of Fotis Dulos was closed in October with his five children only receiving a few personal items from the contents of a safe deposit box, probate documents show.

"At the time of his death, virtually all the properties were in foreclosure, and by late spring 2020, all of the properties were in foreclosure."

By the time Fotis Dulos died, there was $195,000 in an individual retirement account and an $8,000 bank account, his attorney said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/fotis-dulos-net-worth-jennifer-dulos-disappearance-18596649.php

Explains why Ms Curry allegedly lost $147,000.
"The bail bond company contends the bond can't be returned because he died, forfeiting the money."

 

[Jmoose]

I'm curious about that hole, are you?

Like a hole made in the process of being stabbed?

 

[LosAngeles]

Like a hole made in the process of being stabbed?

Yes.

 

[Jmoose]

And I think this is a slam dunk. There’s no reason to drag this out for 6 weeks based on what was already presented.

They have to lay out all of it, or they risk having one unconvinced juror-and that’s all the defense needs.