Darlie Routier asks for DNA testing

[whitywendy]

I think you're right, Jeana. Seems to me I remember reading something about Darlie Sr. accompanying Darlie Jr. to her polygraph test and the two of them were seen crying afterwards. I'm sure they weren't happy tears, either. This reeks of some serious "deliberate denial" and I wonder if Darlie Sr. has somehow managed to justify Darlie Jr.'s actions as in "well, Darin MADE her do it", blah blah blah. Transferring the blame.

I wonder the same thing Daisy. I have a daughter and I keep trying to place myself in this woman's shoes. Would I stand by her side till the end? I have no idea how I would act. When you look at your young children it would be hard to imagine that one day, this could happen to your family. I wonder if Darlie Sr. blames herself any? I would. I would be blaming myself for missing such telling signs. HOWEVER, I do not believe that I would let her deny her involvement. I would have had her mentally evaluated before she entered a plea of not guilty. She knew the evidence that was against her daughter from the get go.

I think that Ms. Darlie is similar to SOME Southern Mothers in regards to how they will deny deny deny deny that children were capable of stealing that car even though that person was found in the stolen car. I have a cousin who has been nothing but trouble since he turned 9 years old. He has been in and out of prison since he was 15. In the early 90's we rec'd a call that said my cousin and his youngest brother (who had never been in any type of trouble before) had been arrested for the murder of a elder man. OF COURSE, the one who has been nothing but trouble denied denied and denied that he pulled the trigger. It was the younger one. To this day he sits his stupid butt in prison and still denies any involvement in this crime. Blames it all on his younger brother BUT HE JUST KNEW THAT HIS YOUNGER BROTHER COULD NOT HANDLE PRISON SO HE TOOK THE WRAP. My point: My Grandmother and Aunt to this freaking day believe that the older one didn't kill that man, in their minds it was the younger one (who never was or has been in any type of trouble). I asked point blank why, and the reason.........Well he has never ever hurt or killed anyone before so why would he do it now? Yea, a lifetime of stealing, lying, cheating, robbing and doing drugs will never lead you to murder. So I think it doesn't matter that all the evidence points in her direction, her mother will to the day she dies deny that her very own daughter stabbed her very own grandchildren to death.

 

[CyberLaw]

All it takes is Darlie to continue on "her stranger" story.

All it takes is for Darlie to look right into her Mother's eyes and tell her "Mom I did not hurt the boys, I was framed, they are envious of me, the cops framed me, everyone is against me, it is one huge conspiracy, Mom I did not kill my boys, I loved them, you see how good I was to them, with all of the video games and such.

So Mom, tell everyone I did not do it, fight for me, get others to fight for my release, because I need supporters on the outside to get me out of here for my "unjust" sentencing.

Of course Darlie, you are my daughter, I know that you are incapable of murdering those two boys, what kind of person would that make me and your whole family look like. Of course, we believe you and will do everything we can to get you out of Prison.

Manipulation, control and denial, delusional at the very best. I put money that Darlie has told this story so many times, that she probably believes it.

 

[Kitty5001]

Kitty...you poor thing. I see you are under the "spell".

1. You can only do a partial DNA match for hair found without a folicule.
Hair is also "transfer" matter. You walk out into the world every day, and the breeze in the air blows up little particals of matter from EVERYONE else who has been outdoors. These specks of matter get into clothing fibers, shoe grids, even your own hair. These 'HAIRS' are worth absolutely nothing. Actually, it's surprising to me that more foriegn matter was not found, but I guess we can thank the day cleaner for that. But any rate, you can't make a positive match without a suspect. Convenient, eh? And not only that, but one hell of a long stretch.

2. I can't believe you are thinking the phyciatrically medicated "neighbor" knew what the heck was going on.... My contention with this should be self evident.

3.
This is known and was testified to 11 years ago. Again, transfer.

Darlie's "Mamma" is not a trained investigator. Darlie's "Mamma" only knows what she is told, and then I suspect it's interpreted kindly.
Mamma Darlie has been known to ignore things that aren't convenient.
If you are basing your assumptions on what Mama Darlie tells you, then there is little I can say to you. Reason would not effect you in the slightest.

OH believe me I am not basing any assumptions on what Mama says. I just wanted to know where the heck she got her information from in case there was something new out there that I did not read yet.

 

[cami]

I received this in my email today.

"US District Judge Royle Furgeson issued an order requiring a status report of State actions in followup to the Courtsorder of August 2, 2006 to stay federal proceedings. Judge Furgeson states that actions in his court will not be delayed to the extent allowed in State court. You can view the order on the website. "

www.fordarlieroutier.org

 

[philamena]

What, pray tell, does that mean?

 

[Taximom]

What does it mean?

 

[tempusfugit]

Ok, I'm not sure what this means, would someone please explain this to me/us?

 

[cami]

Ok, I'm not sure what this means, would someone please explain this to me/us?

I haven't read the whole brief but I think it means, the federal court is asking the state court to update them on the progress of the pending motion for dna testing. Darlie received a stay in her federal proceedings in August 2006 until the state courts ruled on the dna testing.

Jeana's a lawyer maybe she can jump in.

 

[j2mirish]

I received this in my email today.

"US District Judge Royle Furgeson issued an order requiring a status report of State actions in followup to the Courtsorder of August 2, 2006 to stay federal proceedings. Judge Furgeson states that actions in his court will not be delayed to the extent allowed in State court. You can view the order on the website. "

www.fordarlieroutier.org

(((((cami)))))) how are you?
I hope this means he is sick of the delays

 

[Jeana (DP)]

The Western District was asked by Darlie to stay her cause pending her seeking of having DNA tests done in State Court. The State Court denied Darlie's request. Darlie asked the Western District to keep the stay in place pending her appeal to the State Court with regard to the DNA evidence being tested. That was back in March of 2007. The court wants an update from the parties as to what's going on with the appeal. The court wants to know in detail about what "DNA evidence Darlie wants tested, where the stuff is, is it even "testable," etc. They want to know why Darlie believes the Western Districted should continue to stay its case and for how long and the legal reasons therefor. If the Western District believes the material should be been granted for testing, they may entertain a motion permitting Routier to get the material tested. They want the state to say why it shouldn't happen. The parties have 30 days from May 21st to get their information to the court.

 

[Taximom]

Jeana, thanks for the explanation. I tried to read the .pdf file but just didn't get it since I haven't kept up with the case very well. :blowkiss:

 

[tempusfugit]

The Western District was asked by Darlie to stay her cause pending her seeking of having DNA tests done in State Court. The State Court denied Darlie's request. Darlie asked the Western District to keep the stay in place pending her appeal to the State Court with regard to the DNA evidence being tested. That was back in March of 2007. The court wants an update from the parties as to what's going on with the appeal. The court wants to know in detail about what "DNA evidence Darlie wants tested, where the stuff is, is it even "testable," etc. They want to know why Darlie believes the Western Districted should continue to stay its case and for how long and the legal reasons therefor. If the Western District believes the material should be been granted for testing, they may entertain a motion permitting Routier to get the material tested. They want the state to say why it shouldn't happen. The parties have 30 days from May 21st to get their information to the court.

Thanks Jeana,

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks Jeana,

You're very welcome~~!~:blowkiss:

 

[philamena]

Thanks DP!! (((hugs)))

 

[mollymalone]

Many thanks Cami and Jeana!

 

[whitywendy]

Thanks Jeana and Cami - so now we have a deadline correct. They must provide an definite answer by the 21st of June as to whether retesting could/should be done.

So does that mean after this they will finally give her a date. She has been sitting on DR way too long. So sad that 6/6 will always always remind me of those helpless little boys being destroyed by their very own mother.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks Jeana and Cami - so now we have a deadline correct. They must provide an definite answer by the 21st of June as to whether retesting could/should be done.

So does that mean after this they will finally give her a date. She has been sitting on DR way too long. So sad that 6/6 will always always remind me of those helpless little boys being destroyed by their very own mother.

You're welcome. No, it doesn't mean that she'll be getting a date. This is only to do with the DNA issues right now. The higher court could always override the lower court and order the tests to be conducted, although I don't believe they will. If Darlie's team can prove to them that their request to the lower court was valid, the higher court could agree and tell them they will hold the case in further abeyance while their issues are being appealed. The defense could also just ask for more time and with a good enough reason, the courty would likely grant it. I can't remember off the top of my head what other issues are out there that need to be dealt with, so forgive me not being able to give you a complete answer!

 

[whitywendy]

Thanks again Jeana - Hey in your opinion, do you think that the "Courts" allow more "time" when it comes to putting women to death.

I am happy to know though, our legal system is not broken as SOOOOO MANY supporters seem to shout.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks again Jeana - Hey in your opinion, do you think that the "Courts" allow more "time" when it comes to putting women to death.

I am happy to know though, our legal system is not broken as SOOOOO MANY supporters seem to shout.

That's a good question. Maybe they do. I can only recall two women who have been executed in recent memory. Karle Tucker and a woman named Wanda Jean (can't remember her last name). Some considered both of their transformations into "Christians" as reasons why their death sentences should be overturned. I don't remember that ever happening with a man.

I don't believe our legal system is nearly as broken as some people think either. Surely, its not perfect; however, the resources, time, money, effort and other precations in place give those on death row with numerous opportunities to prove their convictions should be overturned. People have been let off of death row who have been proven to be innocent, but how many can any of us name who were executed? I can't think of one. To me, the system works when the innocent are released. If you were to listen to Darlie's supporters, the State of Texas put her on death row KNOWING she was innocent. Conversely, that would mean the state would EXECUTE her KNOWING she was innocent and that wouldn't happen.

 

[cami]

(((((cami)))))) how are you?
I hope this means he is sick of the delays

Pretty good darlin how are you???? You're a stranger....Stayed up half the night watching..what else...hockey. Best game I ever saw.

Anyway yes I hope this means he is telling state court to shake a leg.

Thanks for the info Jeana.