GUILTY DC - David Messerschmitt, 30, murdered in Washington hotel room, 9 Feb 2015 #1

[Happyshoes]

This post has my thoughts on why DM opened the door to greet his guest

Regarding the individual's arrival at the Donavan; having been there for an event in the past and having a good friend who lives in the building adjacent to the Donavan, when I first viewed the video of the individual entering the Donavan I was surprised that the staff did not ask if the individual was a hotel guest-- especially after the individual's odd behavior walking into the elevator, walking out, walking half way to the lobby and turning back to the elevator and turning again to walk back towards the lobby and abruptly entering the stairwell. The behavior was bizarre, they were attempting to conceal their face and their attire was not generally what a guest at the Donavan would wear.

Yes - that has been bothering me. It's not like the POI could say "room service" or "housekeeping". And IF the perp did walk to the lobby to ask if the elevators were working (or was she just looking around?), it was very strange behavior. Amateur but on a mission.

 

[HastingsChi]

Whether DM was heterosexual or not, happily married or not, meeting someone for a quickie or not...someone wanted his murder to look like/be reported as a gay hook up gone wrong. To me...that much is obvious.

And as someone said in a previous post, how sad that this will be this brilliant and wonderful man's legacy. Quite an injustice.

Can I ask if folks might confirm that the first report of the possibility this was a same sex hookup gone horribly wrong was this article in the Washington Blade?

If not, might you share the first article or new report suggesting this idea?

If we can confirm it was first reported in the Blade I will have some important things to share.

 

[Danaya]

Yes, I am well aware of the B's in LGBT.

But I'd suggest that there is no credible evidence to support that idea.
An understanding of David & Kim's history that I outlined earlier speaks volumes to the idea that David & Kim were among the over 90% of married Americans who are heterosexual. It also establishes that David made sacrifices to be with Kim and even decided he wanted to live with her in Cleveland while she completed her post-grad studies instead of pursuing lucrative career opportunities in Chicago or DC with Mayer Brown.

Okay, I'm not sure which "evidence" you have to support that David was heterosexual and wasn't possibly bisexual, but okay. To each their own. Just because he loved his wife, doesn't mean he wasn't capable of having an affair--regardless of the gender of the other person who may or may not be involved.

 

[FindHG]

I like it. I have one question for anyone who watched the video recently - didn't it seem that the POI walked to the lobby and asked if the elevators were working? I think it was before they decided to use the stairs. That walk made me think it was a male but I definitely felt at the beginning this was an anger killing. The facial covering up and looking at the camera was an amateur, but intent on what they were doing. Why did he answer the door???

The seconds on the timer of the videos would indicate the POI may have just walked to the stairwell. I still think the person in the background may have indicated the stairwell. The other thing I noticed watching it again, is the the POI kind of waddles. I've been looking at slow motions of the jacket and doing screen shots, I think the waddle may be the result of stuff in the pockets. If you watch just the pockets of the jackets throughout the video, you'll see they seem stiff and out especially on one side, never folding in. It seems like the waddle is not natural, caused by what is being worn and carried. At one point, with the POI's back turned, when standing near the carts, you see him adjust stuff in his left pocket.

 

[HastingsChi]

Yes - that has been bothering me. It's not like the POI could say "room service" or "housekeeping". And IF the perp did walk to the lobby to ask if the elevators were working (or was she just looking around?), it was very strange behavior. Amateur but on a mission.

Demeanor, attire & movements were not typical of Donavan guests.

If the elevator was in fact not operational, why was there no signage indicating this to the guests and apologizing for the inconvenience and directing guests to the stairs?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Can I ask if folks might confirm that the first report of the possibility this was a same sex hookup gone horribly wrong was this article in the Washington Blade?

If not, might you share the first article or new report suggesting this idea?

If we can confirm it was first reported in the Blade I will have some important things to share.

Crap. I sure can't point you to where it may have been first reported, but I am now so curious as to what you might have to share re the Blade.... Please don't bait us... tell us or don't, but don't tell us you know something we don't, please.

 

[Danaya]

And you say "90% of married American are heterosexual", yet, who is going to self identify as bisexual or even homosexual when they're married? Not everyone who truly is, that's for sure. Self hate and denial is hard to get over, sometimes. Not sure where you got that number but that's besides the point.

Sorry, JMO. Carry on.

 

[HastingsChi]

Okay, I'm not sure which "evidence" you have to support that David was heterosexual and wasn't possibly bisexual, but okay. To each their own. Just because he loved his wife, doesn't mean he wasn't capable of having an affair--regardless of the gender of the other person who may or may not be involved.

While the latest Census data claims less than 3% of Americans are LGBT, I believe the Williams Institute research is far more accurate and the data indicates: 3.8 % of American adults identify themselves being in the LGBT community; wherein, (1.7%) identify as lesbian or gay, (1.8%) bisexual, and (0.3%) transgender, which corresponds to approximately 9 million adult.

While everything we have learned makes a strong case for DM being among the 96.20% of heterosexual Americans, without any real evidence you are going to place DM among the 01.80% of the American population who are bisexual?

 

[HastingsChi]

And you say "90% of married American are heterosexual", yet, who is going to self identify as bisexual or even homosexual when they're married? Not everyone who truly is, that's for sure. Self hate and denial is hard to get over, sometimes. Not sure where you got that number but that's besides the point.

Sorry, JMO. Carry on.

I personally know more than one man whose wife is bisexual and they are open about it; talk about it openly.

 

[Danaya]

While the latest Census data claims less than 3% of Americans are LGBT, I believe the Williams Institute research is far more accurate and the data indicates: 3.8 % of American adults identify themselves being in the LGBT community; wherein, (1.7%) identify as lesbian or gay, (1.8%) bisexual, and (0.3%) transgender, which corresponds to approximately 9 million adult.

While everything we have learned makes a strong case for DM being among the 96.20% of heterosexual Americans, without any real evidence you are going to place DM among the 01.80% of the American population who are bisexual?

I think my ideology regarding human sexuality may be different from yours. I believe sexual orientation and gender to be fluid; labels are only ways to make people feel comfortable in the act of "identifying". Not for a minute do I believe numbers are that low re: bisexuality and homosexuality.

Anywho, I'm getting off topic, here...

 

[radiator]

Can I ask if folks might confirm that the first report of the possibility this was a same sex hookup gone horribly wrong was this article in the Washington Blade?

If not, might you share the first article or new report suggesting this idea?

If we can confirm it was first reported in the Blade I will have some important things to share.

I think the Blade may have been the first MSM to make the suggestion (the Post even omitted some of the items found in its reporting) but my first thought after reading the initial report was "hook-up gone wrong" and I think many other Washingtonians probably thought the same. I'll be quite surprised if it turns out to be anything other than that.

 

[HastingsChi]

Crap. I sure can't point you to where it may have been first reported, but I am now so curious as to what you might have to share re the Blade.... Please don't bait us... tell us or don't, but don't tell us you know something we don't, please.

It only is relevant if the story originated with the article I linked to. I promise it is not baiting anyone and the info is only relevant IF it originated with that article.

I did search for articles prior to the Blade article before I posted and didn't find any that included that info. I am hoping that someone will be able to uncover an article that suggests a gay hookup published prior to the Blade's article.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Can I ask if folks might confirm that the first report of the possibility this was a same sex hookup gone horribly wrong was this article in the Washington Blade?

If not, might you share the first article or new report suggesting this idea?

If we can confirm it was first reported in the Blade I will have some important things to share.

IMO Once the search warrant was released, it was an assumption made by several.

 

[FindHG]

Can I ask if folks might confirm that the first report of the possibility this was a same sex hookup gone horribly wrong was this article in the Washington Blade?

If not, might you share the first article or new report suggesting this idea?

If we can confirm it was first reported in the Blade I will have some important things to share.

I'm not sure if it was reported in MSM as such before The Blade did, but I think from the very first report there may have been concern about a hook up having gone wrong. As Deborah Alfarone (USA 9 / 7:11pm est, Feb 12) reports,

"leaving people here are to wonder, is a killer walking these streets."

and saw this, though I hadn't noticed it when read before from here:

"Messerschmitt left his home Sunday night, according to police reports obtained by WCPO reporter Evan Millward."

bbm

plus, there was some fluky law blog speculating that linked various articles, early on... before the documents were released.

 

[Happyshoes]

Yes, the "hook up gone wrong" was first impression for most and I think the items found are the main reason why. That and paying for a hotel room for 3 hours. One sleuther gave a good scenario of why it could be a woman that he was seeing. My mind keeps going to who else would want him dead?

 

[radiator]

If the individual was a sex worker of any type they would already have been identified by law enforcement simply because they would have found an individual on known escort sites, backpage or Craigslist whose image is similar or shares the characteristics of the person in the video. Remember, just because you delete your ad doesn't mean it can't still be accessed.

Therefore I highly doubt the individual is a sex worker.

BBM I just took a look at some of the images on CL for "casual encounters" in DC and none of the images I viewed showed a snowsuit or a face. I think LE would have a hard time matching up the pictures posted on CL with the footage from the lobby or stairwell.

 

[HastingsChi]

crap. I sure can't point you to where it may have been first reported, but i am now so curious as to what you might have to share re the blade.... Please don't bait us... Tell us or don't, but don't tell us you know something we don't, please.

check ur priv messages please

 

[HastingsChi]

BBM I just took a look at some of the images on CL for "casual encounters" in DC and none of the images I viewed showed a snowsuit or a face. I think LE would have a hard time matching up the pictures posted on CL with the footage from the lobby or stairwell.

From the height facial features one can eliminate a substantial amount of escorts.
There is definitely footage of the individual in the Donavan that have not yet been made public (the individual had to leave the hotel, that was filmed).
The sheer amount of surveillance cameras (both public and private) on the streets around the Donavan is incredibly high (tons of tourists stay in the area; especially the residence inn. The Thomas Circle area where the Donavan is located is adjacent to the central business district and blocks from the White House; it is incredibly surveilled. They are going through a tsunami of video tracking the individuals movements upon exiting the Donavan. Determining if the individual got in an automobile or a taxi, a bus or the Metro. Needless to say there digging will result in a plethora of images of the individual in question when he or she is not as careful to conceal their identity as they were inside the hotel

 

[HastingsChi]

I'm not sure if it was reported in MSM as such before The Blade did, but I think from the very first report there may have been concern about a hook up having gone wrong. As Deborah Alfarone (USA 9 / 7:11pm est, Feb 12) reports,

"leaving people here are to wonder, is a killer walking these streets."

and saw this, though I hadn't noticed it when read before from here:

"Messerschmitt left his home Sunday night, according to police reports obtained by WCPO reporter Evan Millward."

bbm

plus, there was some fluky law blog speculating that linked various articles, early on... before the documents were released.

It's interesting that the Cincinnati ABC affiliate WCPO would be the (only?) news outlet to report that DM left his home on Sunday night.

The byline on the article is Ally Kraemer (WCPO's social media reporter) and Tom McKee (WCPO reporter); neither have worked as journalists in DC at any point in their career so it seems a touch odd that they would be the one's to break this detail.

I understand DM is from Cincinati but I'm highly skeptical of it's accuracy.

 

[Danaya]

What if this person wasn't actually an escort but only posing as one? Then their face wouldn't be on crsiglist or in the system. Instead, they'd be using fake pics as bait. Also, lots of escorts use fake photos or else photos with their tattoos and faces cropped out.