DC - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 4 federal counts in 2020 election interference, 1 Aug 2023, Trial 4 Mar 2024

[Inthedetails]

I assume indictments of others involved in the conspiracy will be forthcoming.

JMO

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Unless they cooperate??

idk

jmo

 

[MyBelle]

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Unless they cooperate??

idk

jmo

I think an indictment will be the incentive to cooperate.

JMO

 

[LaborDayRN]

Some candidates will do anything to get publicity. I seriously doubt he will receive any additional information because it is an ongoing criminal investigation. I assume indictments of others involved in the conspiracy will be forthcoming.

JMO

I sure hope so.

 

[weepingangel]

<modsnip - reference was removed> This is about the 45th President of the United States trying to illegally overturn an election that did not end in his favor. He encouraged his fellow domestic terrorist supporters to pull a B & E on the nation's Capitol. They killed a cop. They hurt many others. They went in with zip ties to bind elected officials up so they could run through there and steal stuff. All of that happened because he told them to. Encouraged it and then watched it all go down while laughing. There is no disputing it. It's all public. My brain hurts watching people defend him when he does not deserve it.

Don’t forget “hang Mike pence”

 

[weepingangel]

Sorry to be sort of OT - does anyone know if there is a websleuths thread for Jack Teixeira ? Search function is failing me

Thanks

 

[ilovewings]

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy on Tuesday announced he’s suing the Department of Justice (DOJ) and filing a new Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) records request for more details about the recent indictments of former President Trump.

“My aim in bringing this lawsuit is to finally deliver accountability and transparency: what did Biden and his cronies tell [Attorney General Merrick] Garland and what did Garland and the deep-staters who put him in as Attorney General tell [special counsel] Jack Smith,” Ramaswamy said in a statement shared by his campaign.

Ramaswamy sues DOJ, files fresh records request for Trump indictment details

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy on Tuesday announced he’s suing the Department of Justice (DOJ) and filing a new Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) records request for more details…

thehill.com

SMH

 

[LaborDayRN]

Sorry to be sort of OT - does anyone know if there is a websleuths thread for Jack Teixeira ? Search function is failing me

Thanks

I can't find one either.

 

[sds71]

@ryanjreilly

“Listening to Pence’s response to the third Trump indictment. What a cu..
But at least it’s not illegal to kiss Trump’s …” — Mike Fanone

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686801712856657925

 

[LaborDayRN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686801712856657925

Yeah. It was all "The lawyers" fault.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

The investigations into the various crimes Trump committed were underway long before he announced that he was running in 2024. Besides, when there is abundant evidence of a serious crime having been committed, I think it's disingenuous to claim "political motivation" to prosecuting. Example: Al Capone was caught on tax violations but I don't think anyone needs to pretend the true intent wasn't to stop the murders and other mob crimes.

Here's my take on DJT: As a businessman and real estate "tycoon", he was successful in a superficial and unethical way. By that I mean that he managed to achieve a moneyed lifestyle, but he did so by defrauding, lying, and deceiving. He also wasn't authentically financially successful but was deep in debt, but he only wanted the trappings of success in the first place (or else doesn't recognize the difference -- he thinks that's what success is).

He discovered that he could state as fact things that weren't fact but were instead how he wanted things to be. He also learned to lean on surface perception rather than substance and ethics. For example, if someone made a criticism of him, even a substantively valid and respectfully stated criticism, rather than looking to see if the criticism was warranted, he would simply accuse the person of "not being loyal" and punish them. And he got away with it! It worked often enough that he now thinks it will work in the political arena (and to a large extent it has).

He also cannot stand to lose, to lose face, to be shamed. No humility, not even a little bit. So whether he actually wanted/wants to be president or not, he is essentially incapable of stepping away or accepting a loss. He must deny, refuse to accept, no matter how bizarre and irrational his claims are. From a psychological perspective this really makes me curious to see how he will react to serious legal convictions and potential house arrest or jail time. I'm worried for safety reasons about how his followers may lash out when that happens, but psychologically I'm fascinated.

All IMO obviously

 

[Vern]

Don’t forget “hang Mike pence”

... and the scaffold's presence.

 

[MyBelle]

The investigations into the various crimes Trump committed were underway long before he announced that he was running in 2024. Besides, when there is abundant evidence of a serious crime having been committed, I think it's disingenuous to claim "political motivation" to prosecuting. Example: Al Capone was caught on tax violations but I don't think anyone needs to pretend the true intent wasn't to stop the murders and other mob crimes.

Here's my take on DJT: As a businessman and real estate "tycoon", he was successful in a superficial and unethical way. By that I mean that he managed to achieve a moneyed lifestyle, but he did so by defrauding, lying, and deceiving. He also wasn't authentically financially successful but was deep in debt, but he only wanted the trappings of success in the first place (or else doesn't recognize the difference -- he thinks that's what success is).

He discovered that he could state as fact things that weren't fact but were instead how he wanted things to be. He also learned to lean on surface perception rather than substance and ethics. For example, if someone made a criticism of him, even a substantively valid and respectfully stated criticism, rather than looking to see if the criticism was warranted, he would simply accuse the person of "not being loyal" and punish them. And he got away with it! It worked often enough that he now thinks it will work in the political arena (and to a large extent it has).

He also cannot stand to lose, to lose face, to be shamed. No humility, not even a little bit. So whether he actually wanted/wants to be president or not, he is essentially incapable of stepping away or accepting a loss. He must deny, refuse to accept, no matter how bizarre and irrational his claims are. From a psychological perspective this really makes me curious to see how he will react to serious legal convictions and potential house arrest or jail time. I'm worried for safety reasons about how his followers may lash out when that happens, but psychologically I'm fascinated.

All IMO obviously

BBM. Very good points! The crime that most shocks me is the fraudulent electors scam in multiple states and some members of Congress may have been in on it.

JMO

MSN

 

[ArianeEmory]

I remember watching some livestreams that day, and it quickly went from “wow, look at these poor idiots”, to a cold feeling in my stomach when they breached the buildings … and I realized my passport was expired.

This should not happen in this country. I am not some hysterical alarmist. It was terrifying.

I am so sad that so many of the jenga pieces of our democracy got knocked out, as well as some of our rights to bodily autonomy, but I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to keep the shell intact.

 

[ilovewings]

The investigations into the various crimes Trump committed were underway long before he announced that he was running in 2024. Besides, when there is abundant evidence of a serious crime having been committed, I think it's disingenuous to claim "political motivation" to prosecuting. Example: Al Capone was caught on tax violations but I don't think anyone needs to pretend the true intent wasn't to stop the murders and other mob crimes.

Here's my take on DJT: As a businessman and real estate "tycoon", he was successful in a superficial and unethical way. By that I mean that he managed to achieve a moneyed lifestyle, but he did so by defrauding, lying, and deceiving. He also wasn't authentically financially successful but was deep in debt, but he only wanted the trappings of success in the first place (or else doesn't recognize the difference -- he thinks that's what success is).

He discovered that he could state as fact things that weren't fact but were instead how he wanted things to be. He also learned to lean on surface perception rather than substance and ethics. For example, if someone made a criticism of him, even a substantively valid and respectfully stated criticism, rather than looking to see if the criticism was warranted, he would simply accuse the person of "not being loyal" and punish them. And he got away with it! It worked often enough that he now thinks it will work in the political arena (and to a large extent it has).

He also cannot stand to lose, to lose face, to be shamed. No humility, not even a little bit. So whether he actually wanted/wants to be president or not, he is essentially incapable of stepping away or accepting a loss. He must deny, refuse to accept, no matter how bizarre and irrational his claims are. From a psychological perspective this really makes me curious to see how he will react to serious legal convictions and potential house arrest or jail time. I'm worried for safety reasons about how his followers may lash out when that happens, but psychologically I'm fascinated.

All IMO obviously

I like your insightful thought process: the one thing Trump believes in and he is so on the money: if you tell people a lie long enough, and keep repeating it over and over, many people will believe it. His cult followers are examples of this.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

You know a pretty good way to ensure you don't get indicted by a grand jury? It's simple. You just don't break laws.

 

[Inthedetails]

Parasocial relationships are really disturbing. Parasocial relationships with Trump are simply beyond my understanding.

I grew up in Palm Beach County and everyone knew Trump was a sleazy conman. I just thought it was general knowledge. So decades later when my friends were worried about his presidential run I just laughed. (I still voted, but I laughed.)

I didn’t understand the undercurrent of hatred he had activated in the population. It all seems obvious in retrospect, and I’d love to go back to the innocent days of, say, 2014, but here we are and I’m glad some accountability might happen. Because as Strom Thurmond taught us, he might still be here trying to break the country for another few decades. And he proved it’s possible, if not for him then for the next demagogue who isn’t held to any reasonable standard of decency.

OMG, similar situation. I live in NYC and everyone here knows he's a sleazy conman. When he was first running, one of my friends in particular was very nervous he would win. I assured her, laughing, that the GOP would never allow Trump to be their candidate. Welp, I was wrong.

He didn't win his hometown of NYC* in 2016 or 2020. Did the rest of the country get bamboozled because they like his tv reality show? Idk. Can't explain it.

jmo

* he did well on Staten Island

 

[ArianeEmory]

When he was first running, one of my friends in particular was very nervous he would win. I assured her, laughing, that the GOP would never allow Trump to be their candidate. Welp, I was wrong.

Woof, I had that same friend, so to speak. He was about ten years younger than me, and a worrier, and I was supportive but internally sort of patting him on the head. Sigh.

 

[Inthedetails]

Woof, I had that same friend, so to speak. He was about ten years younger than me, and a worrier, and I was supportive but internally sort of patting him on the head. Sigh.

That is exactly how it was!!! Except my friend was an older woman.

Our friends were right to worry.

jmo

 

[RANCH]

I will say this about all of these indictments. I feel they are meant to prevent Donald Trump from being elected President in 2024.

The only problem is they are having the opposite affect. He is doing great in the polls. So far anyway. JMO.

Why Trump's poll lead went up after criminal indictments

Facing criminal charges has only strengthened the former president's lead in the Republican race.

www.bbc.com

 

[ArianeEmory]

I will say this about all of these indictments. I feel they are meant to prevent Donald Trump from being elected President in 2024.

It’s interesting that he has this sort of “victimized underdog” status with his supporters. People died from covid with their last Facebook posts being memes about how covid was invented to stop his re-election.

Why do you think he’s so persecuted, exactly? I assume you can see that a lot of us here disagree with you (and I can tell you that some of the longtime names here are people I have NOT been on the same page with politically in the past, and yet here we are in alignment).

Do you think we’re all just … being mean to him?