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Police on Relisha Rudd: It’s “Heart-Wrenchingly Frustrating That We Don’t Have Answers”
Officials, according to Lanier, will soon release photos of people they are hoping to talk to in connection with the case.

So... The way that statement is worded suggests that these would be people that they have not spoken to yet, and may not have located yet, but have obtained pictures of through some means. It doesn't really say though whether or not they know the identity of these people.

This makes me think of two possible scenarios:
  1. Police know that these people exist and what their names are from interviewing other witnesses, and have found pictures of them on SM or something, but police have not been able to locate them as of yet.
  2. Police have seen photo/video evidence from the investigation itself (hotel video footage, pictures from the storage locker, etc.) that show other parties, but police have not been able to identify them and seek the public's help with identification and location.

What do you guys think?
 
Police on Relisha Rudd: It’s “Heart-Wrenchingly Frustrating That We Don’t Have Answers”


So... The way that statement is worded suggests that these would be people that they have not spoken to yet, and may not have located yet, but have obtained pictures of through some means. It doesn't really say though whether or not they know the identity of these people.

This makes me think of two possible scenarios:
  1. Police know that these people exist and what their names are from interviewing other witnesses, and have found pictures of them on SM or something, but police have not been able to locate these people as of yet.
    [*]Police have seen photo/video evidence from the investigation itself (hotel video footage, pictures from the storage locker, etc.) that show other parties, but police have not been able to identify them and seek the public's help with identification and location.

What do you guys think?

BBM is my guess.
 
It was stated that Tatum didn't actually work in the area where the people stayed, or at least where Relisha lived. Does anyone else remember hearing or reading that? I've lost so much sleep over Relisha. Maybe I dreamed it during one of the many nightmares this case has caused. I promised I wouldn't follow young children again. Why did I break my own promise?

I don't know that it matters now where he worked. I don't know. My heart just breaks for the life this child endured. I wish I held onto the hope some are able to find. I was hoping that Tatum would at least be captured, and though I doubt he would have told the truth, was hoping someone would be able to get some facts from him. Now that hope is gone. I don't know if anyone can get the truth out of the others or not. Maybe a couple of her peers could? I know there was threats towards her, and frankly I don't care. She's an adult. She can handle her own. Relisha is just a child. A very small child that can't defend herself, can't stand up for her rights, or her mistreatment. It's just heartbreaking to know that every day this is happening to a child somewhere, and I want to bury my head in the sand. I want to be 'ignorance is bliss', and see the world 'through rose colored glasses'. I want to believe all kids have the upbringing my own kids did. To believe they all have parents that love them, and would walk through fire to try to save them. I want all kids to know the joys of playing in a creek in the summer. To having a mud fight, and every inch of their clothes to be covered in mud from that creek. And instead of someone hurting them, or punishing them, I want them to have a parent that laughs, and takes photos of the mud filled day, and then playfully sprays them with a waterhose to rinse them! I want them to experience washing their hair in the rain, the wind on their faces as they ride a horse through an open field, and into the trails, to play with nature with the sun kissed noses, and come inside to a loving home, with food to nurture them and a warm bath, and retelling of their day to wind down, to be tucked under their favorite blanket, throw a kiss to the moon, and dream about more fun filled days. I want them to wake up to puppy kisses to start their day. To experience puppy breath! To know the love of an animal, and the responsibilities that come with it. To know that no matter what, that dog and their parents and siblings will always have their back! They'll always be willing to stand up for them, and protect them!

These should be given rights to all children. WHY is there even one child in this country worrying about safety, or where they'll get their next meal? THIS IS AMERICA! We aren't a 3rd world country! We don't have a normal culture of neglecting our vulnerable! Why when adults are given access to every program to better their lives, to improve their housing, their education, etc. is it abused? Why would anyone choose to be homeless? Why would anyone choose to sell a child? WTH is wrong?!?!

I've never traveled out of the USA. My husband was military and has told me brief stories about how some countries viewed having a girl over a boy. Of seeing those girls as an 'income' for the family. My mind can't fanthom. How can humans see this as ok? I'm tolerant of many cultures, but NO! Just NO! I will not, cannot accept that it's a cultural thing. People born and raised in USA know this is type situation is WRONG! They attend public schools where it's taught that anyone touching you in an area a bikini would cover is WRONG! There's access to teachers, counselors, principals for the innocent victims. People aren't raised to think this stuff is acceptable. No, they make a conscious effort to choose WRONG!
 
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DCPD: In next 24 hrs, police will release new images of people they'd like to speak w/ in #RelishaRudd case. pic.twitter.com/rSp0sEYXIY

Oh my! Images of people they would like to speak with. . .my mind is going in a million different directions with that. . .:scared:
 
Oh my! Images of people they would like to speak with. . .my mind is going in a million different directions with that. . .:scared:
I think it could go back to a video from 3-1 and the reason they won't tell us where she was last seen alive...sadly.
 
Scott MacFarlane ‏@MacFarlaneNews 6m
DC police chief Cathy Lanier will deliver lineup card at tomorrow's home opener for Washington Nationals

Glad to see she is doing something relaxing.
 
BBM is my guess.

Or.... Possibly...

3.). LE knows who these people are... And LE have vids and or photos of them... LE may have talked with them... But these people are not giving any information...

So...,LE is asking the public's help in tracking them in the last months...(i.e. Has anyone seen them at certain locations/times/etc.)

Just some thoughts...
 
I think it could go back to a video from 3-1 and the reason they won't tell us where she was last seen alive...sadly.

Yes, that's one possibility. I'm hoping it might be someone from Richmond, since that piece seems to still allude us. But there are a lot of possibilities. I hope it isn't of the ICE type. :(
 
Police on Relisha Rudd: It’s “Heart-Wrenchingly Frustrating That We Don’t Have Answers”


So... The way that statement is worded suggests that these would be people that they have not spoken to yet, and may not have located yet, but have obtained pictures of through some means. It doesn't really say though whether or not they know the identity of these people.

This makes me think of two possible scenarios:
  1. Police know that these people exist and what their names are from interviewing other witnesses, and have found pictures of them on SM or something, but police have not been able to locate them as of yet.
  2. Police have seen photo/video evidence from the investigation itself (hotel video footage, pictures from the storage locker, etc.) that show other parties, but police have not been able to identify them and seek the public's help with identification and location.

What do you guys think?

I think it's people who were seen on hotel surveillance footage on 3/19, those 3 other people in the hotel room with KT and his wife. Just my hunch. In any case, I am anxious for them to release the pictures! Maybe we can truly do something to help find Relisha!
 
It was stated that Tatum didn't actually work in the area where the people stayed, or at least where Relisha lived. Does anyone else remember hearing or reading that? I've lost so much sleep over Relisha. Maybe I dreamed it during one of the many nightmares this case has caused. I promised I wouldn't follow young children again. Why did I break my own promise?

RSBM

I do remember reading that. I interpreted it to mean that he worked in a different building of the complex than the one that Relisha and her family live in.
 
I think this is going to go much much deeper than just Tatum.
 
Yes, that's one possibility. I'm hoping it might be someone from Richmond, since that piece seems to still allude us. But there are a lot of possibilities. I hope it isn't of the ICE type. :(
The whole Richmond trip seems off to me. I am still not clear if Tatum was actually seen in Richmond or only his truck was spotted. His phone, IIRC, also went to Richmond. He could have given his truck to someone and his phone was left inside. Maybe Tatum was never in Richmond at all. Red herring.
 
Here is my problem with SY and people like her:
These days there are endless services both public and private available to folks in need.

There is free food, even if you make too much to qualify for food stamps or USDA FOOD from a qualifying food bank...and yes, you must qualify even at a USDA food bank.

There are places that have free business services, professional clothing and help writing resumes and securing interviews with partner private businesses.

There is Head Start, and reduced fee or scholarships for before and after school programs for the children.
18 years of free public education or a few scholarships to private schools. And, there are charter school lotteries.

Free Health Care through Medicaid and reduced fees at local community hospitals.

There are even free basic cellphones and as someone noted the shelter and the motel shelters have Cable TV.

There is also free birth control at many clinics. Almost all women's clinics have free condoms.

SY, her mother, sister and cousins as well as all the males have access to all of this assistance. Yet, they choose to do what they do and focus on things that no one in need of money should even be considering....name brand clothes and shoes, name brand/top shelf alcohol, manicures, fake nails, hair extensions...

They ought to be focusing on getting out of the shelter and paying their own way. But with her and so many like her the emphasis is on all things temporary and superficial. She does not get even a remote pass from this once social worker!
 
If LE can get a name, they can usually get a photo. Most people have driver's license or photo ID and LE has access to that. And they also have access to mug shots.
 
I think it's people who were seen on hotel surveillance footage on 3/19, those 3 other people in the hotel room with KT and his wife. Just my hunch. In any case, I am anxious for them to release the pictures! Maybe we can truly do something to help find Relisha!

That was my first thought as well
 
BBM is my guess.
That's the theory I'm leaning towards as well.


Because I'm a computer nerd, this particular part of a larger WaPo article stands out (BBM):
Search warrants filed in D.C. Superior Court show that Tatum used his bank check card to pay for a parking meter in Washington on March 18, the day before police took up the case, and used the account, associated with his Gmail address, again on March 21 at 3:12 a.m. No other details were provided in the warrant, filed with Google. In the search warrant application, police said they were looking for the date, time and duration of communications and the Internet protocol addresses that are unique to each device.

I mentioned above that Google Wallet is the particular service that one uses to link a card to a Gmail account. It's convenient to use when paying for things in a store, but it is also a way that you can send/receive money between individuals. Google explains how that works here:
I'm curious if Kahlil was receiving or sending money via Gmail/Wallet in exchange for some of his shady dealings. Another possibility is that he has at least one Android device, and merely had his bank account linked to the Gmail account that is his primary account in his Android device so that he could purchase apps in the Android app store.

It's also (I think) important to note that the part of the quote above that states "Internet protocol addresses that are unique to each device" is factually incorrect. There are addresses that are unique to the networking hardware of each device, but they are referred to as "MAC addresses" and they would not be visible to Google.

An IP address is not unique to any particular device, though it can only be in use by one device at a time. However, from Google's logs, they will see the IP address of whatever device was used to connect to their servers, which could be a proxy server or gateway that his actual device was sitting behind. That can lead them to a lot of information, such as whether or not these accesses were most likely made from a computer or a mobile device, if he had multiple mobile devices on different carriers, and possibly even be used to track Tatum's whereabouts if some of those logins came from, for example, a hotel or Starbucks public wifi hotspot.

Maybe just nerdy rambling, but it could be something?
 
I post this hesitatingly, mostly because JVM called him to the carpet. No disrespect intended to Relisha, or the Kelly family intended, whatsoever.

kt's nephew's appearance on JVM, with commentary by Marc Klaas:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/04/02/relisha-rudd-kahlil-tatum-nephew

Thank you, kimi_SFC for this ^ and for the JVM and NG transcriptions. I really appreciate all of your hard work, because honestly I couldn't stomach 2 hours of watching that duo! :eek:

This is actually the first video in this case (except for the pressers and a few seconds of SY's raw footage) that I've been able to watch in its entirety... and, oh my, watching that baby dancing her lil' heart out, so full of life... :tears:

Also, I meant to reply earlier on your post when you said you felt you had let us, and Relisha, down because you didn't finish the transcripts last night. You did NOT let us down! You worked on the transcripts until you couldn't work anymore and you fell asleep...you gave it your all, and who could ask for more? Keep up the great work!!!

WHERE IS RELISHA?!
 
Police on Relisha Rudd: It’s “Heart-Wrenchingly Frustrating That We Don’t Have Answers”


So... The way that statement is worded suggests that these would be people that they have not spoken to yet, and may not have located yet, but have obtained pictures of through some means. It doesn't really say though whether or not they know the identity of these people.

This makes me think of two possible scenarios:
  1. Police know that these people exist and what their names are from interviewing other witnesses, and have found pictures of them on SM or something, but police have not been able to locate them as of yet.
  2. Police have seen photo/video evidence from the investigation itself (hotel video footage, pictures from the storage locker, etc.) that show other parties, but police have not been able to identify them and seek the public's help with identification and location.

What do you guys think?

bbm - I'm thinking that this is more the case. I am so hoping I'm wrong, but they have probably pulled images from somewhere and need to know who these people are :notgood: :sick:
 
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