DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #10

[corundogs]

Does LE have to have a reason to do that? If so, what would the "due cause" be to impound someone's car without a warrant?

He told them where it was and said "Have at it!! Do whatever you need to do!!!" and then they got the SW to make things all legal and stuff.

 

[bostonstrong]

No, but it's the involved in "the planning," and "some info" that is crucial JMO as to what LE's thinking is (as speculation on our part) about JW's possible role. I take "gave the address: as a part of the "info" package, something like "listen. The AIW boss lives in this ......blah blah and you could just blah blah...."
With all due JMO because we know how many folks have been innocent even though convicted. And we have the cautionary example of was it Richard Pearl? He was suspected of being a mass bomber and it was all supposition, theory, rush to judgement.
Strange as it may seem, I taught at a college for programmers, animators, multi-media careers, but when it came to basic research on the internet...terrible at it and no inclination. Could run certain applications around most people. Could not have been bothered using basic tools to hunt down a location, much less an author or a journal or a news story. Kid you not.
We do not know DW's capacity to think all this up himself and follow through. JMO LE suspects he couldn't have, just too volatile, unhinged, not a planner.
But I am trying to get into the mind of LE here, know where the investigation stands when there is no sure way of knowing.

Richard jewell. (pretty close though!)

in that case the guy was only doing his job. and if he hadn't been, a lot more people then the one lady and the guy who died of a heart attack racing to the scene would have perished. he found the bomb, led people away (saving lives) and the thanks he got is the FBI profiling him and some idiot he used to work for him badmouthing him to authorities. to my knowledge, he never lied to LE (like jw) or was arrested with a prime suspect (like wints brother and the others).

I really hope LE is on top of all angles here. but I really don't like the fact that the others with wint were just let go (nor are there any apparent search warrents in regards to them)

 

[MyBelle]

After delivering the ransom money on the morning of the fire, police said, Wallace drove to Chantilly, Va., to help finish building a martial arts studio, and authorities confirmed his location by tracking his cellphone and with receipts and surveillance video from a Virginia hardware store he visited. Police said that Wallace received a call from someone at American Iron Works informing him that his boss’s house was on fire and that he immediately drove to Woodland Drive.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c1d3f5c_story.html?postshare=1201433445701455

Please tell me how JW could have been driving down New York Ave. in the Porsche at 1:30pm. He was seen by other employees at the Dojo after the hardware store.

BBM. Nowhere on your link does it state LE said employees saw JW at the dojo at any time on Thursday.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Bruce Leshan ‏@BruceLeshan [video=twitter;606588293346697216]https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/606588293346697216[/video]Leesburg, VA
Here's my take. Assistant looked like good suspect in #Savopoulos murders BEFORE cops allegedly found Darron #Wint's DNA. Now, not. @wusa9

Now, not. That's my take it on it, as well. Police suspected him right away, that's why they accused him of lying, so they can get SW. But they haven't found nothing on him (at least so far).

 

[yepitsme]

He drove to the fire. Not only is that in all the reports, but it makes no sense that he would take the metro. That would be easily a 15 minute walk from the metro stop up the hill to the house. And who knows how far he would have to park from the metro on the other end. I don't think the torching was near the metro stop. It seems clear to me he drove to the fire, parked, and spoke with LE, who took him to the station. Car left behind.

 

[jjenny]

Richard jewell. (pretty close though!)

in that case the guy was only doing his job. and if he hadn't been, a lot more people then the one lady and the guy who died of a heart attack racing to the scene would have perished. he found the bomb, led people away (saving lives) and the thanks he got is the FBI profiling him and some idiot he used to work for him badmouthing him to authorities. to my knowledge, he never lied to LE (like jw) or was arrested with a prime suspect (like wints brother and the others).

I really hope LE is on top of all angles here. but I really don't like the fact that the others with wint were just let go (nor are there any apparent search warrents in regards to them)

Richard Jewell was turned into the suspect, as I recall, because he lived with his mother.
So they profiled him as a hero wannabe and doing this to get attention. It was obviously completely wrong.

 

[yepitsme]

Now, not. That's my take it on it, as well. Police suspected him right away, that's why they accused him of lying, so they can get SW. But they haven't found nothing on him (at least so far).

I agree with this, with the caveat that someone is doing a lot of leaking now for some reason, that seems to implicate JW. It could be that everyone is jumping to conclusions.

 

[Just K]

I think the theory that JW was driving the Porche at 1:30, parked it and rode the train back to Woodley Park has real possibilities. He may have approached cops at the scene but cops also know that perps often return to the scene of the crime. For whatever reason, they were suspicious of him and his car that day.

JMO

Or someone else drove it over to PG County (1:30) and then after purchasing a white bucket and gas anyone could have retrieved the Porsche, driven to the church, torched the car and took off in the direction of the Metro or apartment complex. If JW was free to leave by 4:00 PM...he definitely could have taken the Metro.

 

[catdoggy21]

Now, not. That's my take it on it, as well. Police suspected him right away, that's why they accused him of lying, so they can get SW. But they haven't found nothing on him (at least so far).

Well Jw admitted that he lied per CD. Big difference there.

 

[fred&edna]

Trying to make sure I understand your Q and "inside" info definitions.

When you say "inside" knowledge, you include info from persons
'inside' the home, whether as a resident, FT or PT employee; cleaners; aupair; tutor, coach,etc for kids; lawn service; plumber; electrician; exterminator; gen contractor who did permit-work 2013-14; building-permit inspector; gas co. rep; decorator; window washers; painters; massage therapist; physical therapist; home health care; art appraiser, ins agent; caterers & florists for parties; alarm co; carpet installers; floor refinishers; home-theater installers; party guests, neighbor-visitors, club members; friends of kids;
whether in prior week, month, or anytime since ~2002 home purchase
anybody who has legit reason to be in home or on premises, IOW,
did any of these ^ppl^ provide any info directly to DDW (or to DDW's chums) who then sparked idea for these crimes?

If they ^ provided info to DDW and did nothing else, does that count as assistance?

To clarify, does surveillance by DDW (or chums) count as "inside" info?


What about ppl who work for or with ^ ppl, but do not come to home, such as billing/bookkeeping for above entities.

People who worked close with the family members on a regular basis (daily or at least more than once a week basis) AND had access to the home. (Either had a key or were "allowed in" because of their employment). Those who might have known what type (brand/company) of security system they had inside the home, and/or knew regular "habits" of family members (like, which afternoons/evenings they spent doing a particular activity - maybe PS went to a go-karting track once a week? Or the afternoons/evenings AS might have spent with the garden club? I have no idea if she participated in a garden club.... I'm just throwing out examples).

Surveillance by DDW (and/or scum) would not be considered "insider".

Sometimes, what I "think" and what I "type" come across as two different things... I hope this makes sense.

 

[MyBelle]

Does LE have to have a reason to do that? If so, what would the "due cause" be to impound someone's car without a warrant?

If it doesn't have a permit, it can be towed or booted. A nice revenue stream for metro cities.

 

[popsicle]

Richard jewell. (pretty close though!)

in that case the guy was only doing his job. and if he hadn't been, a lot more people then the one lady and the guy who died of a heart attack racing to the scene would have perished. he found the bomb, led people away (saving lives) and the thanks he got is the FBI profiling him and some idiot he used to work for him badmouthing him to authorities. to my knowledge, he never lied to LE (like jw) or was arrested with a prime suspect (like wints brother and the others).

I really hope LE is on top of all angles here. but I really don't like the fact that the others with wint were just let go (nor are there any apparent search warrents in regards to them)

Nobody has been arrested except Wint in connection to these crimes.

 

[Solitaryone]

I think the only reason we aren't sleuthing those other people is because we don't know who they are. I wonder why LE put out JW's name but not the others.

Good question! I would like to know the answer to that too.

 

[MyBelle]

He drove to the fire. Not only is that in all the reports, but it makes no sense that he would take the metro. That would be easily a 15 minute walk from the metro stop up the hill to the house. And who knows how far he would have to park from the metro on the other end. I don't think the torching was near the metro stop. It seems clear to me he drove to the fire, parked, and spoke with LE, who took him to the station. Car left behind.

BBM. According to the documents filed and made public, JW told LE that he drove to the scene but LE have NOT publicly confirmed it.

JMO

 

[FelicityLemon]

Charging Docs are not the holy bible of the case or evidence. It contains the bare minimum for probable cause for arrest and a SW. It does not contain all the info or evidence a Detective knows, is aware of or has been told. jmo

Thanks for that. Information is only as accurate as the person who inputs it, so even professionals makes mistakes and it's something else to keep in mind.

I want to see the search warrant property inventory/log of items removed from JW's car. I know someone here posted some things (thank you!) and I remember two backpacks, but little else. The backpacks stuck with me because we keep two in the trunk - ours are emergency packs/bugout bags. I realize those are not the backpacks that JW has, it just reminded me of all the stuff we keep in our car in addition to um... daily stuff not cleaned out regularly enough. :blushing:

 

[popsicle]

BBM. According to the documents filed and made public, JW told LE that he drove to the scene but LE have NOT publicly confirmed it.

JMO

After delivering the ransom money on the morning of the fire, police said, Wallace drove to Chantilly Va., to help finish building a martial arts studio, and authorities confirmed his location by tracking his cell phone and with receipts and surveillance video from a Virginia hardware store he visited. Police also said Wallace received a call from someone at American Iron Works informing him that his bosses’s house was on fire, and that he immediately drove to Woodland Drive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...01433445701455

 

[zencompass]

I am still hoping that the police are being overly cautious as to arrests and paperwork and that is why not much is forthcoming at the moment.

 

[elmomom]

After delivering the ransom money on the morning of the fire, police said, Wallace drove to Chantilly Va., to help finish building a martial arts studio, and authorities confirmed his location by tracking his cell phone and with receipts and surveillance video from a Virginia hardware store he visited. Police also said Wallace received a call from someone at American Iron Works informing him that his bosses’s house was on fire, and that he immediately drove to Woodland Drive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...01433445701455

Thank you again. (For posting it, again and again again and....)

 

[yepitsme]

If it doesn't have a permit, it can be towed or booted. A nice revenue stream for metro cities.

They do not tow cars for not having a permit unless they are in a tow away zone. This wasn't one. However, they can search and remove cars under a standard lower than probable cause.

 

[bostonstrong]

Nobody has been arrested except Wint in connection to these crimes.

and yet, and correct me if im wrong, the charging document says they don't think wint acted alone.

so that means there is at least one accomplice out there, whoever they are.