DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #11

[FelicityLemon]

If you've been following these threads... Then you would have realized that WJ has confirmed in his first story, that he located the keys to the Mosler in the garage, thus
Mosler/red car

Who is WJ? I keep seeing this, but argh...another person I can't find anywhere.

 

[jjenny]

That is also weird because people on this site have been expressive and confident in the fact that there was NO entrance to the house from the garage. Maybe those people just didn't realize the intricacies of the house. Whether a contractor should or should not have spoken to someone about the intricacies, contractors are aware of these things. Before I get slaughtered, IF his account is accurate (which I am sure could be double checked with him by LE) I it does open up an idea that there is the possibility that someone could go through the house to deliver money in the red car in the garage. Honest question: do you think it was equally horrible for NG to tell people that the alarm was usually off? I think loose lips sink ships, but I am having a hard time understanding the betrayal in sharing information you know to be true with anyone, unless advised not to by LE.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

I agree, I have always wondered why anyone would take JW's second story as fact when it is clear that LE didn't. The guy SAID he lied. We can make up excuses/reasons for those lies, but those excuses/reasons don't change the fact. And while those lies might seem inconsequential to random members of the public, clearly they are not seen as so by those who have more confirmed details.

 

[DexterMorgan]

He could just as easily been at the dojo and then be alibied by other staff members. This guy seems damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

If he hadn't been seen anywhere, you guys would be saying "aha! no alibi!" lol.

We try our best.

(Wink)

Lol

 

[emmavoberry]

I'm still on the fence regarding JW, though I've started to think that if he was involved he would have been arrested by now. I just don't know! :fence:

JW doesn't strike me as a "mastermind" yet his lies are very troubling! And all of this, JW's lies and the registration in his backpack can have logical explanations or not! And still there's nothing as far as we know that definitely proves JW criminally involved or links JW to DW. How would JW hide any such evidence? The case against JW is compelling because of his own lies, but not compelling enough to prove any involvement. I keep wavering between JW being involved/not involved, but for now I'm leaning more toward not involved, LOL! And though I'm not in the camp that thinks the cars were the motive, I enjoy reading all the posts! What new revelations will be coming next and when?

Nothing so far can prove anything. Where Wint is concerned, despite his being charged, we can't say his DNA is proof he committed any crime unless eating pizza is a crime. Right now, that DNA is only circumstantial evidence that could go to show that Wint was with the family and Veralicia Figeroa while it is suspected they were held captive. The lab could have mixed up samples. Police could be framing him. He could have walked by the house, wearing latex gloves for a legitimate reason, spotted the pizza, had a slice, thrown it back in the box and....So forth so on. We are not a jury who will decide if this or any other evidence turned up is compelling enough to meet the legal standard a judge will instruct us on. If there's ever a trial, it won't put debate and speculation to rest.
Along with you, I wonder "what new revelations will be coming next and when?" !
All of us want to see justice done. But the first amendment assures us that we have a right to argue our viewpoint on a case online and off, no matter how flawed or limited our view might be. In the back and forth, often when those viewpoints are opposing, we gain more insight, are challenged to think more critically.

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

I agree. It might have been open at the time. Although I think JW said it was closed. But I don't have a lot of trust in what he says, so yes, it could have been open.

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

Who is WJ? I keep seeing this, but argh...another person I can't find anywhere.

W-1 is confirmed as JW on this site. And pretty much everywhere I think. He was SS's driver and assistant.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Nothing so far can prove anything. Where Wint is concerned, despite his being charged, we can't say his DNA is proof he committed any crime unless eating pizza is a crime. Right now, that DNA is only circumstantial evidence that could go to show that Wint was with the family and Veralicia Figeroa while it is suspected they were held captive. The lab could have mixed up samples. Police could be framing him. He could have walked by the house, wearing latex gloves for a legitimate reason, spotted the pizza, had a slice, thrown it back in the box and....So forth so on. We are not a jury who will decide if this or any other evidence turned up is compelling enough to meet the legal standard a judge will instruct us on. If there's ever a trial, it won't put debate and speculation to rest.
Along with you, I wonder "what new revelations will be coming next and when?" !
All of us want to see justice done. But the first amendment assures us that we have a right to argue our viewpoint on a case online and off, no matter how flawed or limited our view might be. In the back and forth, often when those viewpoints are opposing, we gain more insight, are challenged to think more critically.

And the 10k to 20k just followed him home as well?

I don't think people find that much cash and then hire others to help convert it to money orders.

But I agree. Cold cases are sitting on shelves for years. But his dna shows up pretty quick.

 

[catdoggy21]

Nothing so far can prove anything. Where Wint is concerned, despite his being charged, we can't say his DNA is proof he committed any crime unless eating pizza is a crime. Right now, that DNA is only circumstantial evidence that could go to show that Wint was with the family and Veralicia Figeroa while it is suspected they were held captive. The lab could have mixed up samples. Police could be framing him. He could have walked by the house, wearing latex gloves for a legitimate reason, spotted the pizza, had a slice, thrown it back in the box and....So forth so on. We are not a jury who will decide if this or any other evidence turned up is compelling enough to meet the legal standard a judge will instruct us on. If there's ever a trial, it won't put debate and speculation to rest.
Along with you, I wonder "what new revelations will be coming next and when?" !
All of us want to see justice done. But the first amendment assures us that we have a right to argue our viewpoint on a case online and off, no matter how flawed or limited our view might be. In the back and forth, often when those viewpoints are opposing, we gain more insight, are challenged to think more critically.

You're exactly right. I wouldn't be surprised if DW's defense argues that JW framed him. It's going to be interesting

 

[desertmama]

W-1 is confirmed as JW on this site. And pretty much everywhere I think. He was SS's driver and assistant.

So it's combining W-1 and JW to WJ?

 

[popsicle]

And the 10k to 20k just followed him home as well?

I don't think people find that much cash and then hire others to help convert it to money orders.

But I agree. Cold cases are sitting on shelves for years. But his dna shows up pretty quick.

I think we are going to find out it is more than that even because there was money & money orders in the car and the box truck.

 

[katydid23]

Pretty sure BrownRice's point is that JW would have asked "which red car" if he was innocent. BR, correct me if I'm mistaken.

How do we know he didn't? Didn't they talk on the phone 10 minutes before he arrived? Maybe he did ask which car?

 

[Peliman]

Nothing so far can prove anything. Where Wint is concerned, despite his being charged, we can't say his DNA is proof he committed any crime unless eating pizza is a crime. Right now, that DNA is only circumstantial evidence that could go to show that Wint was with the family and Veralicia Figeroa while it is suspected they were held captive. The lab could have mixed up samples. Police could be framing him. He could have walked by the house, wearing latex gloves for a legitimate reason, spotted the pizza, had a slice, thrown it back in the box and....So forth so on. We are not a jury who will decide if this or any other evidence turned up is compelling enough to meet the legal standard a judge will instruct us on. If there's ever a trial, it won't put debate and speculation to rest.
Along with you, I wonder "what new revelations will be coming next and when?" !
All of us want to see justice done. But the first amendment assures us that we have a right to argue our viewpoint on a case online and off, no matter how flawed or limited our view might be. In the back and forth, often when those viewpoints are opposing, we gain more insight, are challenged to think more critically.

Wint has been reported as having the blood of at least one of the victims on his shoe, not to mention his walking around cash.

 

[katydid23]

You're exactly right. I wouldn't be surprised if DW's defense argues that JW framed him. It's going to be interesting

How would JW put DW's dna on the pizza crust? And how would JW frame DW if he was seen on camera at Lowes during the house fire?

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

Who is WJ? I keep seeing this, but argh...another person I can't find anywhere.

He could just as easily been at the dojo and then be alibied by other staff members. This guy seems damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

If he hadn't been seen anywhere, you guys would be saying "aha! no alibi!" lol.

That actually brings up a fair point. If he told police he was going to work at the dojo after dropping off the money, having someone verify he was at the dojo would be a helpful alibi for him. I wonder why LE would only share the pings and video from 11:30-noon as his alibi, when someone at the dojo surely would have seen him there that day. Do you think maybe he never went to the dojo? Even though he said that's where he was going? I guess that's a possibility

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

Who is WJ? I keep seeing this, but argh...another person I can't find anywhere.

He could just as easily been at the dojo and then be alibied by other staff members. This guy seems damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

If he hadn't been seen anywhere, you guys would be saying "aha! no alibi!" lol.

How would JW put DW's dna on the pizza crust? And how would JW frame DW if he was seen on camera at Lowes during the house fire?

Maybe setting something up and taking a cut of the money, but not wanting to get his hands dirty? Though that's not so smart because DW doesn't seem like he would keep that info confidential.

 

[katydid23]

Nothing so far can prove anything. Where Wint is concerned, despite his being charged, we can't say his DNA is proof he committed any crime unless eating pizza is a crime. Right now, that DNA is only circumstantial evidence that could go to show that Wint was with the family and Veralicia Figeroa while it is suspected they were held captive. The lab could have mixed up samples. Police could be framing him. He could have walked by the house, wearing latex gloves for a legitimate reason, spotted the pizza, had a slice, thrown it back in the box and....So forth so on. We are not a jury who will decide if this or any other evidence turned up is compelling enough to meet the legal standard a judge will instruct us on. If there's ever a trial, it won't put debate and speculation to rest.
Along with you, I wonder "what new revelations will be coming next and when?" !
All of us want to see justice done. But the first amendment assures us that we have a right to argue our viewpoint on a case online and off, no matter how flawed or limited our view might be. In the back and forth, often when those viewpoints are opposing, we gain more insight, are challenged to think more critically.

Interesting. So you have a way wide open mind in terms of Wint being innocent. And yet, JW is described in the most guilty, coldblooded way. Seems kind of odd, imo. Considering one of them has a violent criminal history and the other, none at all. :waitasec:

 

[jjenny]

I think we are going to find out it is more than that even because there was money & money orders in the car and the box truck.

ITA. I see people claiming $10K or $20K were found. But as far as I can tell, it hasn't been reported how much money DW actually had with him.
Apparently, money were both in the truck and in the car DW was riding in.

 

[catdoggy21]

How would JW put DW's dna on the pizza crust? And how would JW frame DW if he was seen on camera at Lowes during the house fire?

Don't really want to get into it because it is pointless to argue about this.. but I will say that DW and his defense are going to argue anything and everything. Last I heard DW saying he was innocent so that just says it all. I don't think he'll ever be found not guilty imo

 

[kammiemc]

I think, if i recall correctly they processed his car on the 21st, and the SW was requested on the 15th, so they waited 6 days to search it. I think it stated also that they took the car into custody on the 14th. So they had the car and the warrant, but waited 6 days to do it. I hope i'm correct on those dates.

eek, he really shouldn't have told him anything about that house or how they gain access to the garage or anything else. codes or no codes that's extremely unprofessional and he could probably get in trouble for that. I would be mad as heck I found out somebody that i paid to do work around my house was giving private information about access to anything to a reporter of all people, hey let's just let everybody in the world know. smh....I wonder if this guy is for real...I would think people thinking of hiring him, might think twice now...eeek

The problem with trying to find JW's fingerprints or DNA on or in any of the family vehicles is that he was probably in all of them at one point or another, and any hits could not be tied to a specific day or time. Probably the same for inside the house (at least in certain rooms).

I'm beginning to think the police never believed his story about dropping the cash in the red car in the garage. First, he lied about it, saying first he found the key and unlocked it, and then that it was unlocked. Under stress I might see him saying first it was unlocked and then remembering he had to get a key, but not the reverse sequence. You don't misremember that you found a key. So, that alone makes his red car tale highly suspect.

Second, the direction for him to place the money in the red car was given to him by SS on the phone according to JW's story, not by text, so there is no text on anyone's phone that confirms what was said. Further, if the contractor's explanation of the security of the garage door and entry door from the garage into the kitchen is correct, I don't see DW figuring out how to get into the garage, open the door with a code, and then close it later (unless SS taught him, which is unlikely because there is probably a panic code that can be entered to sound sirens and SS would have given him the panic code).

JW may have just sashayed into the house, divided the money up with those inside, and got out of there.

NG also told people that garage doors were left open. So this garage was far from "fort knox."

Who is WJ? I keep seeing this, but argh...another person I can't find anywhere.

He could just as easily been at the dojo and then be alibied by other staff members. This guy seems damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

If he hadn't been seen anywhere, you guys would be saying "aha! no alibi!" lol.

How would JW put DW's dna on the pizza crust? And how would JW frame DW if he was seen on camera at Lowes during the house fire?

Interesting. So you have a way wide open mind in terms of Wint being innocent. And yet, JW is described in the most guilty, coldblooded way. Seems kind of odd, imo. Considering one of them has a violent criminal history and the other, none at all. :waitasec:

That's not what I got from that statement AT ALL. She was making a pretty obvious point. At least it seemed to me like it was pretty obvious.