DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #15

[AmazonianAbroad]

To clarify, I was talking about SS calling his son by his given name instead of his nick name.

Me too. I think it the level of formality fits for SS and household helpers.

I cannot figure out how the dojo would work, payment wise, for NG and her staff. Since that's a commercial enterprise tax wise (my best guess), that pay would be on a different set of books from the household with a different paperwork burden. I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.

I cannot recall what the income cutoff is for domestics to be required to be paid social security contributions. I wonder if pay at the SS home was cash, but pay at the dojo was 1099ed. The helpers could have been w-2's, I guess too.

SS seemed to be a by the books guy with money, so the commingling is interesting to me.

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

Never used it myself. If my truck can't get me there then I don't
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That beast must have a name. Do tell?

 

[Willow Knight]

The CEOs I know in the D.C. area do not give their service people a key to the home. They give them their own unique access code and both have told me this case has them on such edge they are not allowing any access. I can only go by what our friends have told us. They use security advisers as required by their boards of directors..

JMO

So how does that work? Is it like one of those systems that have you enter the security code outside the door to open the door? No key needed?

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

Trust her completely? We give them house keys, but not safe keys with combos. Other than the safe, total access though. It's such a unique relationship.

It might be different for people who use agencies with crews. I think there are two prevailing philosophies. Some people prefer bonded agencies, with crews and supervisors, etc..

I'm in the other camp. My grandfather kept the same housekeeper, even after my grandmother's death, until he and she were in their 90's. She couldn't clean upstairs any longer. But the upstairs were in disuse, so it was okay with him. She couldn't see very well to clean the microwave, so she cut little holes in paper plates for his to use as covers when he cooked.

I kept our beloved DC housekeeper on the books two years after we moved to Lilliputia.

My impression is that NG was hired as an individual worker, and she is unusually ambitious and industrious, so parlayed her situation into a something a little bigger. That woman had herself put together with hair makeup and nails for her TV interviews, right after the murders. She behaves like an executive, even if there's a wild cultural disconnect for many of us. At first, talking to my husband about this, I referred to her as "Fingernails." She has moxie, I've conceded since the beginning.

I cannot see her involved in crime with DW. I believe that if she hired muscle or people to burgle, they would be Latino.

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

I listened again. Reporter clearly says 14th. Maybe she got it wrong? So were there are a bunch of people standing around waiting for Savvas to come to the karate studio for the Grand Opening on Thursday? If it was only for employees, why weren't JW and NG there? Or maybe I misunderstood, it was for the AIW employees. This is really weird and I am confused.

I keep thinking this isn't the kind of neighborhood karate studio where, primarily, you take your kids to explore martial arts. I keep thinking it is more the sort like the wrestling training facility in "Foxcatcher." Didn't we read that it was residential?

My impression is that it was meant to be a high level training facility. The only "Grand Opening" announcement anyone has come up with was on a martial arts Internet bulletin board, if I recall correctly.

 

[MyBelle]

So how does that work? Is it like one of those systems that have you enter the security code outside the door to open the door? No key needed?

I didn't ask for details. Best guess is that it involves some kind of touch pad system or app because they are tech moguls. I was more interested in whether they kept it on while they were at home and they said it is always engaged.

JMO

 

[BondGirl]

I would like to know more about Bill the contractor who "of course" let things get down to the wire.

Me, too. I googled but not really a distinctive name so no way to find anything. I can't even find much on the dojo. I don't see social media accounts for it or things that a business would typically do to promote. Is it a business that would be promoted at other dojos in the area or to students learning at different schools? I don't know much about marketing or promoting this type of business.

 

[BondGirl]

Trust her completely? We give them house keys, but not safe keys with combos. Other than the safe, total access though. It's such a unique relationship.

It might be different for people who use agencies with crews. I think there are two prevailing philosophies. Some people prefer bonded agencies, with crews and supervisors, etc..

I'm in the other camp. My grandfather kept the same housekeeper, even after my grandmother's death, until he and she were in their 90's. She couldn't clean upstairs any longer. But the upstairs were in disuse, so it was okay with him. She couldn't see very well to clean the microwave, so she cut little holes in paper plates for his to use as covers when he cooked.

I kept our beloved DC housekeeper on the books two years after we moved to Lilliputia.

My impression is that NG was hired as an individual worker, and she is unusually ambitious and industrious, so parlayed her situation into a something a little bigger. That woman had herself put together with hair makeup and nails for her TV interviews, right after the murders. She behaves like an executive, even if there's a wild cultural disconnect for many of us. At first, talking to my husband about this, I referred to her as "Fingernails." She has moxie, I've conceded since the beginning.

I cannot see her involved in crime with DW. I believe that if she hired muscle or people to burgle, they would be Latino.

I hope you are right about her and JW. We can understand evil kicking in a door, but we can't imagine a friendly face hides evil. it's much more disturbing.

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

I hope you are right about her and JW. We can understand evil kicking in a door, but we can't imagine a friendly face hides evil. it's much more disturbing.

I keep thinking about Ted Bundy, oddly enough, when these murders come to mind.

I believe likely it was only JW's public displays of pride, envy and avarice (and not criminal participation) that set this in motion. They don't call 'em "deadly sins" for nothing.

But, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the intersection between JW and DW is bigger than people in common on social media.

 

[al66pine]

....I cannot figure out how the dojo would work, payment wise, for NG and her staff. Since that's a commercial enterprise tax wise (my best guess), that pay would be on a different set of books from the household with a different paperwork burden. I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.
I cannot recall what the income cutoff is for domestics to be required to be paid social security contributions. I wonder if pay at the SS home was cash, but pay at the dojo was 1099ed. The helpers could have been w-2's, I guess too.
SS seemed to be a by the books guy with money, so the commingling is interesting to me.

sbm bbm

Could Mr S have simply decided to use his personal funds to pay NG's service - for NG & VF's work at dojo during the few days pre-opening? Just handling it as if NG & VF were working at S' home, not dojo? Commingling? if so, impermissible commingling?
Soc Sec/FICA w/holding issues? IDK.
Workers' comp issues? Other issues? IDK.

In MrS's or anyone's mind - did the situation call for 'expeditious action' or a 'less buttoned up approach' to meet time pressure of putting finishing touches on dojo. IDK.

Not convinced of anything on this issue ATM. Just wondering.

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Another facet of same hypo-
If Mr S & Mrs S engaged NG's cleaning service entity - whether sole prop, partnership, corp, LLC, - for work in the S home, IIRC, S's payments to her service offers no fed inc benefit (no deductn, no credit) for his/fam 1040. Do I recall correctly?

IDK if it's improper commingling, seems, imo, the larger issue could be fed tax question for dojo, if not a 501c3).

If the situation were reversed and incorporated (not 501c3) dojo were paying Persons X and Y for their work at S home, - whether reported on 1099 or W-2 - yes, seems there would be issues, like improper tax deductions for payments on 1099 or W-2, poss'ly resulting in tax underpayment. If for a few days labor, I'm overthinking it. But like AmazonianAbroad said - "I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.".

 

[AmazonianAbroad]

sbm bbm

Could Mr S have simply decided to use his personal funds to pay NG's service - for NG & VF's work at dojo during the few days pre-opening? Just handling it as if NG & VF were working at S' home, not dojo? Commingling? if so, impermissible commingling?
Soc Sec/FICA w/holding issues? IDK.
Workers' comp issues? Other issues? IDK.

In MrS's or anyone's mind - did the situation call for 'expeditious action' or a 'less buttoned up approach' to meet time pressure of putting finishing touches on dojo. IDK.

Not convinced of anything on this issue ATM. Just wondering.

_________________________________________________________________________________________
Another facet of same hypo-
If Mr S & Mrs S engaged NG's cleaning service entity - whether sole prop, partnership, corp, LLC, - for work in the S home, IIRC, S's payments to her service offers no fed inc benefit (no deductn, no credit) for his/fam 1040. Do I recall correctly?

IDK if it's improper commingling, seems, imo, the larger issue could be fed tax question for dojo, if not a 501c3).

If the situation were reversed and incorporated (not 501c3) dojo were paying Persons X and Y for their work at S home, - whether reported on 1099 or W-2 - yes, seems there would be issues, like improper tax deductions for payments on 1099 or W-2, poss'ly resulting in tax underpayment. If for a few days labor, I'm overthinking it. But like AmazonianAbroad said - "I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.".

I wonder if NG has multiple accounts for SS/AS in a ledger. I guess that would work. That would put the responsibly on her for accounting for who worked where when, and for what purpose (regular household/AIW/prep for charitable event held at home, etc.) on her. ...That would fit with my impression of everyone involved.

 

[facundo]

sbm bbm

Could Mr S have simply decided to use his personal funds to pay NG's service - for NG & VF's work at dojo during the few days pre-opening? Just handling it as if NG & VF were working at S' home, not dojo? Commingling? if so, impermissible commingling?
Soc Sec/FICA w/holding issues? IDK.
Workers' comp issues? Other issues? IDK.

In MrS's or anyone's mind - did the situation call for 'expeditious action' or a 'less buttoned up approach' to meet time pressure of putting finishing touches on dojo. IDK.

Not convinced of anything on this issue ATM. Just wondering.

_________________________________________________________________________________________
Another facet of same hypo-
If Mr S & Mrs S engaged NG's cleaning service entity - whether sole prop, partnership, corp, LLC, - for work in the S home, IIRC, S's payments to her service offers no fed inc benefit (no deductn, no credit) for his/fam 1040. Do I recall correctly?

IDK if it's improper commingling, seems, imo, the larger issue could be fed tax question for dojo, if not a 501c3).

If the situation were reversed and incorporated (not 501c3) dojo were paying Persons X and Y for their work at S home, - whether reported on 1099 or W-2 - yes, seems there would be issues, like improper tax deductions for payments on 1099 or W-2, poss'ly resulting in tax underpayment. If for a few days labor, I'm overthinking it. But like AmazonianAbroad said - "I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.".

Savopoulos was a millionaire lawyer and CEO of several businesses. IMO he would leave these details to his bookkeepers and accountants and not be squeezing dimes on the cost of housekeepers.

 

[al66pine]

I wonder if NG has multiple accounts for SS/AS in a ledger. I guess that would work. That would put the responsibly on her for accounting for who worked where when, and for what purpose (regular household/AIW/prep for charitable event held at home, etc.) on her. ...That would fit with my impression of everyone involved.

Logical explanation, makes sense, and as you say, fits w image of those involved.

 

[BondGirl]

Me too. I think it the level of formality fits for SS and household helpers.

I cannot figure out how the dojo would work, payment wise, for NG and her staff. Since that's a commercial enterprise tax wise (my best guess), that pay would be on a different set of books from the household with a different paperwork burden. I'm sure it doesn't matter, but it is curious to me.

I cannot recall what the income cutoff is for domestics to be required to be paid social security contributions. I wonder if pay at the SS home was cash, but pay at the dojo was 1099ed. The helpers could have been w-2's, I guess too.

SS seemed to be a by the books guy with money, so the commingling is interesting to me.

Depends on how NG's business was set up. I think they'd just pay the bill as a service - not as independent contractor.

 

[BondGirl]

I keep thinking about Ted Bundy, oddly enough, when these murders come to mind.

I believe likely it was only JW's public displays of pride, envy and avarice (and not criminal participation) that set this in motion. They don't call 'em "deadly sins" for nothing.

But, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the intersection between JW and DW is bigger than people in common on social media.

I agree!! The S family kept a low profile and did not exhibit these sinful qualities which kept them safer. Makes me really mad at JW for putting all their material possessions out to the public to make himself look better by association.

 

[Russian Blue]

I recall someone saying the dojo was for SS' employees at AIW etc. (Can't find info now) .... not the general public.


My investigation, weeks ago, did not bring up anything of a grand opening dojo studio or a new martial arts place in Chantilly, not anything even on the radar anywhere . No newspaper articles or advertisements. Nothing.

Seems strange imho.

I know you cannot post a link to faceboook but if you search facebook for dojo, chantilly and SS name there are mentions of condolences, folks in the community of marital arts who were going. You will have to go way back in time in May but they are there.

 

[BondGirl]

I know you cannot post a link to faceboook but if you search facebook for dojo, chantilly and SS name there are mentions of condolences, folks in the community of marital arts who were going. You will have to go way back in time in May but they are there.

I wonder who he had to run the dojo daily for him. I don't really understand the business model and why he'd have it way out in VA.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I agree!! The S family kept a low profile and did not exhibit these sinful qualities which kept them safer. Makes me really mad at JW for putting all their material possessions out to the public to make himself look better by association.

IF SS or his wife had a problem with it, it would have been handled and we'd never have seen those pics.

 

[kammiemc]

As I understand it, it was adjacent to the welding school he set up in Chantilly. I don't know the area at all, but could it be he was trying to bring something to the community they might not otherwise have great access to?
For some reason I was guessing it was a non-profit. (Not that you don't need a biz plan for a non-profit!!)
On the flip side, it seems martial arts friends were coming in to celebrate the space, which could point to it being something for more advanced students. You'd think there would be a little more info on it, if so!
He might have just spotted a great space for lease that was near a location that is relevant to him and went for it. Who knows.

 

[kammiemc]

I agree. They parked those cars in front of their house. They lived in a wealthy neighborhood.

JW did not out them for being rich. He did out himself as being SS's assistant and potential conduit to that wealth.