KAEN...Since the "German reference" was just broached, I'm thinking this is a New "FALLBACK" Scam in MS's arsenal of annoying attempts to usurp the courts authority. "ALEX, I'll take foreign languages for $800!" U.S. Census statistics for Florida reports the LEAST SPOKEN LANGUAGE:I can agree with the judge.??? If one of the kids wants to write in a language she is learning so be it. Imagine what turmoil these girls are in. If all at once, she is told she can't write in German b/c her GAL wanted it or grandma wanted it, I believe it will alienate her further from grandma and give the impression that the GAL is not on her side. I agree this man is a monster who is messing with their heads. But, I think the judge is right to temper things and not cut him off at this point. These girls are old enough to have access to the news and will soon see their father as a monster in the press. As I see it, the only hope that grandma will become safe is if grandma is kept out of the smaller things and the judge makes decisions that err on grandma's side but hold that MS can have a relationship with his kids in ways that they may have done before. I would bet the girls talked to him in German or wrote notes in German previously.
snipped by me.I believe he did not come to court today because he knew he could not hold it together if he had another loss. Each time he sits and cries, he is not crying for the girls but rather crying because he can not make a dent in the dynamic--the judge controls him and he can't handle it.
The poor girls are hoping that dad is innocent and he is leading them on.
Dipwad even held hands with Teresa and the kids to say a prayer for a safe flight home.
Imo. That is worse than Cww and Jrr involvement put together. Especiallysince he already knew what was going to happen. Jmo
KAEN...Since the "German reference" was just broached, I'm thinking this is a New "FALLBACK" Scam in MS's arsenal of annoying attempts to usurp the courts authority. "ALEX, I'll take foreign languages for $800!" U.S. Census statistics for Florida reports the LEAST SPOKEN LANGUAGE:
"What is German?" :winner: :winner:
French Creole 1.84%
French 0.60%
Portuguese 0.50%
German 0.42%!!!! Wow, I bet we all guessed that answer correctly!
Even more ironic is MS's attorney complaining about the girls being told about a brutal murder? Does everybody remember the picture drawn by a child that police photographed for evidence? Do you remember the photos of the girls (MSM) standing next to the police officers as their father was being arrested and handcuffed in front of their home 4 months ago? Surely they overheard discussions in the house of their "first placement"talker:MS's friend:talker
and are now erroneously trying assign the blame onto DCF and MAGS as the only possible source of this "super secret information."
I'm beginning to see a pattern: 1) Told on your Bro CWW....(3 blows!) 2) Told on DCF (said brutal murder!) 3) Told on MAGS (doesn't take all my phone calls!) Hmm that's some interesting legal strategy at play....his predicament is EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAULT!
Pure evil!The poor girls are hoping that dad is innocent and he is leading them on.
Dipwad even held hands with Teresa and the kids to say a prayer for a safe flight home.
Imo. That is worse than Cww and Jrr involvement put together. Especiallysince he already knew what was going to happen. Jmo
Imo. The court isn't mandating for Grandma to stay home nor to pick up the phone all day long.
So she should take the kids on a summer trip to Connecticut. Jmo.
That isn't against the law . Jmo
She has custody. So if she wants to take them on a summer vacation with the kids; Then the court can't stop her.
BBM
I was thinking earlier today about almost everything you just wrote, and the word "deprogramming" came to my mind too. All I know as an inexperienced layperson is that few of us of any age, let alone in our 70's, would be equipped to deal with the complexity of this horrendous situation without potentially making it worse. Although sending the girls away sounds awful on the surface, it seems just as necessary as when someone is in rehab for an addiction. These poor girls have been brainwashed or programmed and they are addicted to what their father tells them. He is their world. And I agree with kaen that he has always been their world because of his manipulation of the girls and Teresa. Deprogramming with love is their only hope. Poor little things. Do such facilities as you describe exist?
I know we've been concerned that cutting MS out of their lives will make them hate TS's family. I'm afraid that ship has probably already sailed. But in the long run they may come around if they get the intense help they need. Adults involved with sociopaths or narcissists are often told to avoid contact so they won't be manipulated. Aren't children even more vulnerable? Do MS's "parental rights" trump his daughters rights to a sane, healthy life?
My heart breaks for the girls and for TS's family. MS has effectively taken every part of TS away from them.
After thinking about this more this morning and I know there are many things we don't know but if the girls do not show improvement soon then I really think an environment with trained professionals is better. This is way beyond Mary's grasp. If we were put in her shoes we would probably feel overwhelmed too. Even the GAL rep stated at one of the hearings that the girls are in marks court 100%.
Don't shoot the messenger, but if the girls have any chance at all of developing a more open mind in what truly is going on then this is the time for it. Younger kids can bounce back easily but we are talking about pre teens that already go through the emotional roller coaster as it is.
I say this with a heavy heart and it will be harder for the girls if this secret correspondence through foreign languages continue along with the obsessive amount of phone calls. Mistakes were made from the judge, dcf and attorneys because the real victims here are the girls and I would hate to see that they continue to grow up with these ideas of being "normal" according to what they think is normal .
. . . I am totally sickened & disgusted with what's been allowed to take place in court how many times now ?! in the name of parental rights & custody essentially under the direction of a conniving maniac with the legal assistance of his so called attorney. . . .
I couldn't agree more. If the kids could be immersed into a normal loving family w parents and kids living a normal lifestyle would be a wonderful way to to introduce kids to normalcy. Maybe the parents would show structure and discipline to their own children by example w/o TS' kids feel it was being forced upon them. But I guess state and federal laws prevail at the girls expenseI truly wish that the children would be allowed to leave FL sooner than later. I would love to see them in a two parent household with other children like that of TS brother.![]()
After thinking about this more this morning and I know there are many things we don't know but if the girls do not show improvement soon then I really think an environment with trained professionals is better. This is way beyond Mary's grasp. If we were put in her shoes we would probably feel overwhelmed too. Even the GAL rep stated at one of the hearings that the girls are in marks court 100%.
Don't shoot the messenger, but if the girls have any chance at all of developing a more open mind in what truly is going on then this is the time for it. Younger kids can bounce back easily but we are talking about pre teens that already go through the emotional roller coaster as it is.
I say this with a heavy heart and it will be harder for the girls if this secret correspondence through foreign languages continue along with the obsessive amount of phone calls. Mistakes were made from the judge, dcf and attorneys because the real victims here are the girls and I would hate to see that they continue to grow up with these ideas of being "normal" according to what they think is normal .
I couldn't agree more. If the kids could be immersed into a normal loving family w parents and kids living a normal lifestyle would be a wonderful way to to introduce kids to normalcy. Maybe the parents would show structure and discipline to their own children by example w/o TS' kids feel it was being forced upon them. But I guess state and federal laws prevail at the girls expense
A DCF approved relative who is capable of caring for the child is ALWAYS preferred over a stranger. Foster care is a last resort when a child is unable to be placed with a relative or another safe adult.
As long as MAG is willing to continue to care for the girls, that is by far the best placement IMO. She is their blood. She raised their mother. She will always make decisions that are in their best interest. She loves them.
They will one day realize how lucky they are that she made such sacrifices for them.