First I'd like to welcome
Denisenevergivesup! I've seen your postings on another forum and am aware of who you are. My deepest condolences on your loss. I can't even imagine how you feel. I hope you will soon get answers. It appears there MAY be some people listening to these detectives and the right fork in the road is looking more traveled......fran
Having said that, I must say, I have searched high and low for any other state, college areas, or whatever, over what we have been studying the past days, and I can NOT find anywhere that even comes close. Close in 'unexplained drownings,' unexplained disappearances, guys being lost while on the way home from a bar, mysterious one car accidents and the driver never to be heard from again, lone drunk or drinking young men being found drowned, social gatherings of college aged young men AND women and ONE mysteriously disappears and ends up dead, drowned, missing without a trace.
Of course there will be an occasional occurrence, which means per state, one in five years. But the frequency and concentration of these happenings leads me to believe that there's NO other explanation except the deaths and drownings and disappearances are at the hand of 'others.' I do NOT know if they're organized with ONE central figure pulling the strings, but then I'm not privy to the information the detectives possess.
No, there's definitely something else at work here. Even if 2/3's of the cases in the midwest, east coast, and southern states are 'accidental,' the REST can't possibly be. NO WAY! imho.
There is NO conincidence when it comes to murder.
Oh, I can't find it again but there have been literally hundreds of young people od'ing on GHB during the past few years, not JUST having it slipped to them. I located the below site which is most informative about GHB.
What I'd like to know is how LE can say they've absolutely ruled out these students and young people were drugged, when there are so many drugs and combinations that it would be impossible to check for with certainty.
Now granted this below response is written about a 'test kit,' but if it's impossible to have an effective 'test kit' (which is to detect the presence of GHB from a potential victim), how would LE be able to detect it post mortum with 100% certainty? IMO, the couldn't without knowing what they're looking for.
JMHO
fran
http://www.projectghb.org/ghb_testing_problem.htm
The GHB Testing Dilemma
REPLY FROM TRINKA PORRATA RE GHB TEST PRODUCTS
It is my heartfelt and expert opinion that there is no test kit for GHB that is adequate to endorse and in fact the products currently on the market give a false sense of security that I personally cannot support. The problem is that there are more than 36 drugs used to facilitate sexual assault. Having a test kit that addresses only one or two of them is meaningless. This is particularly true since these test products do NOT even adequately address GHB. There is no field test kit for GHB for law enforcement that addresses the analogs of GHB and yet the analogs are about two-thirds of what we see.
Generally speaking, when I say "GHB" I mean all forms of GHB and that includes the analogs. There is no point in distinguishing between them in terms of dosing. This testing problem makes tackling GHB very difficult for law enforcement. Your website doesn't seem to mention GHB analogs and doesn't tell potential customers that it doesn't react to the analogs. The drink test coasters on the market are supposed to react to GHB and ketamine, but again, do NOT identify the analogs. The coasters don't work with milk-based drinks, with dark liquids, etc., and don't work for GHB analogs or the other 34+ drugs typically used. Ketamine isn't often used in rapes and when it is involved, may more likely have been taken voluntarily by a victim who is then abused while in a disoriented state. The two primary analogs of GHB (GBL and BD) convert to GHB in the human body. No matter which of the three you are given, you will urinate GHB. So, how does it help for someone to test their drink (and thus believe it is free of GHB) and get raped anyway because the substance in the drink was GBL or BD??? Or it contained one of the dozens of other drugs used??????? I see no benefit whatsoever!!! No matter how well-intentioned the creators were, the concept doesn't work well enough to use!!! I have therefore personally avoided any impression of endorsing these products. In fact, some of the pushers of these three products have been far less than professional (one even quite profane) in their efforts to DEMAND endorsement.
It is far better to simply educate re being careful:
protecting one's drink
don't take drinks from strangers
don't leave drinks unattended
if in doubt--throw it out
beware even of bartenders who have on occasion been the culprit dosing drinks with GHB, etc.
Give out coasters that say to beware and watch their drinks.
Put the darned coaster on top of the glass so the culprit would at least have to move it to dose it!!!!!
I simply don't see the benefit of the test products that do so little and leave a false impression that the drink is now "safe." It isn't.
