Defense What is their strategy? #1

[jjgram]

Dear Mendara:
Thank you for your "Kindness"
I appreciate that you want to help me !
I appreciate that you want to skip over my posts !

That is OK with me !

God Bless You !
jjgram

* * * I read all "your posts" ~ I hope that is ok with you ! ?


Thanks HP !
You sure know how to make an OLD WOMAN feel *Special ! ! ! *:angel:

*** SEEKING ~ JUSTICE for Little Angel CAYLEE ~ Murdered @ 2 yrs old !

I'm not KC & I Love People & Justice ! I Might write kinda ~funny ~
But I
do have a "HEART & I CARE ABOUT ~ PEOPLE ! "

Proud to be an AMERICAN ~ Land of the * F R E E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rumpole]

Dear Mendara:
Thank you for your "Kindness"
I appreciate that you want to help me !
I appreciate that you want to skip over my posts !

That is OK with me !

God Bless You !
jjgram

* * * I read all "your posts" ~ I hope that is ok with you ! ?


Thanks HP !
You sure know how to make an OLD WOMAN feel *Special ! ! ! *:angel:

*** SEEKING ~ JUSTICE for Little Angel CAYLEE ~ Murdered @ 2 yrs old !

I'm not KC & I Love People & Justice ! I Might write kinda ~funny ~
But I
do have a "HEART & I CARE ABOUT ~ PEOPLE ! "

Proud to be an AMERICAN ~ Land of the * F R E E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are welcome and deserving of the compliments.

I can tell you care very much.

I care too but I think some would say I have a funny way of showing it.

We all express ourselves differently?

I picture you as young. Keep the "Old" as a secret?

 

[debs]

Great explanation. Thanks.
Another Q :
It's the jurors who will then decide what gets accepted as fact...so for example, can they rule out accident if they look at the "bigger picture" and decide accident doesn't reasonably fit with the other facts?

TIA

I meant to say "defense" in the second paragraph and edited my post, so sorry if that was confusing.

I don't quite agree with the way you worded your question, but in essence, the jury is presented the two sides of the case. Yes, if the defense continues to suggest alternate theories to the State's witnesses as plausible or reasonable or at the very least cannot be ruled out, the jury must consider those statements in their deliberations. As the OJ case showed, it often boggles the mind what a jury will come up with as a verdict.

 

[Roze]

Dear Mendara:
Thank you for your "Kindness"
I appreciate that you want to help me !
I appreciate that you want to skip over my posts !

That is OK with me !

God Bless You !
jjgram

* * * I read all "your posts" ~ I hope that is ok with you ! ?


Thanks HP !
You sure know how to make an OLD WOMAN feel *Special ! ! ! *:angel:

*** SEEKING ~ JUSTICE for Little Angel CAYLEE ~ Murdered @ 2 yrs old !

I'm not KC & I Love People & Justice ! I Might write kinda ~funny ~
But I
do have a "HEART & I CARE ABOUT ~ PEOPLE ! "

Proud to be an AMERICAN ~ Land of the * F R E E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JJGram, I think the way you word and format your posts is very creative and artistic. They really are very unique and stand out among the many posts in this forum.

 

[Friday]

The state has indicted Casey on particular charges. The defense team doesn't have to offer up any other theory other than saying their client is innocent and forcing the state to prove their case. However, in the course of defending their client against the case the state might make, the defense could pose questions such as "And could an accidental drowning have caused Caylee's death?" or "Is it possible that Caylee got hold of some medication and accidentally poisoned herself?" and leave it to the state's witness to prove it couldn't have happened that way. Casey would never need to take the stand in such a situation. Just saying "could it have...." is just asking the State's witness to admit there could be a cause of death other than deliberate homicide.

It is ONLY if the defense is going to go with a firm different story, such as "ZFG took her at JBP to teach Casey a lesson" or coming up with a firm accident scenario that Casey would be compelled to take the stand to answer the state as to why she told the original story, both in written sworn statements and then in a very long verbal statement to LE.

Thanks for the info and especially the example of how defense could work in some other theory/reasonable doubt. :clap:

 

[Friday]

Question: Is Florida a "reciprocal discovery" state? If so, wouldn't the defense be required by law to disclose any evidence of KC's supposed innocence (as stated by JB over & over again!) so that WethePeople can prosecute the guilty party?

Great Question! Is the defense obligated to share the evidence they gather with the prosecution?

 

[butwhatif?]

This innocent statement , and all will be revealed at trial is really starting to pi** me off.
We know KC is guilty, but if we were to believe what they are saying then aren't they putting the public at risk by not sharing that info, like YESTERDAY!!!!! If there really were some crazed woman out there stealing and killing children, then why wait till trial for all the details of this murderous woman?
I swear my 5 yr old could come up with a better defense than this.
ARRRRGGGHHH! Just digging deeper holes for themselves imo.
An accident defense isnt even close to being innocent, Its still guilty, but just wouldnt be premeditated, so they're either sticking with the zanny story, or just adding detail to it.
JMO

 

[trixi491]

If Casey is telling her attorneys it was an accident, I'm wondering if she is using the fact that she once had a seizure to her advantage. Jesse Grund said he brought her to the hospital for a seizure and he is someone I don't think would lie about something like that. I have a slight case of epilepsy in which I am completely unconscience for at least 10 minutes and then wake up a bit drowsy and out of it. She could say that while this happened Caylee went out to the pool and drowned. I don't buy this for a second but I wonder if it's a possible explination she might use and then say "check my hospital records, I once was treated for a seizure so why wouldn't you believe I had another?" My question is, if the jury believed something like this would she get off completely free?

 

[debs]

If Casey is telling her attorneys it was an accident, I'm wondering if she is using the fact that she once had a seizure to her advantage. Jesse Grund said he brought her to the hospital for a seizure and he is something I don';t think would lie about something like that. I have a slight case of epilepsy in which I am completely unconscience for at least 10 minutes and then wake up a bit drowsy and out of it. She could say that while this happened Caylee went out to the pool and drowned. I don't buy this for a second but I wonder if it's a possible explination she might use and then say "check my hospital records, I once was treated for a seizure so why wouldn't you believe I had another?" My question is, if the jury believed something like this would she get off completely free?

I'd personally love to see the tox screen on that visit to the hospital, so bring it on!

 

[jjgram]

YES ~ THAT LITTLE HOSPITAL TRIP ~ might come in handy - 4 - letting the
truth about kc's health .... & her true actions B made ~ known !!!!

jmo

God Bless!
jjgram

***SEEKING ~JUSTICE ~4 ~ LITTLE ANGEL CAYLEE
MURDERED !@ AGE 2 ~ JUNE 2008 !!!

 

[Macushla]

If Casey is telling her attorneys it was an accident, I'm wondering if she is using the fact that she once had a seizure to her advantage. Jesse Grund said he brought her to the hospital for a seizure and he is something I don';t think would lie about something like that. I have a slight case of epilepsy in which I am completely unconscience for at least 10 minutes and then wake up a bit drowsy and out of it. She could say that while this happened Caylee went out to the pool and drowned. I don't buy this for a second but I wonder if it's a possible explination she might use and then say "check my hospital records, I once was treated for a seizure so why wouldn't you believe I had another?" My question is, if the jury believed something like this would she get off completely free?

The biggest problem with the seizure defense and the accidental defense is the 31 days. the only scenario that fits with not reporting her daughter missing is the kidnapping one, and that has already been disproved - as KC changed her story about how it happened and LE has been able to prove that the people KC said were involved don't exist. I can not think of ANY other scenario the defense can come up with that would trump the simple fact that KC did not report Caylee missing and if CA hadn't made that phone call, she probably never would have reported her missing. I think one simple statement is going to run through each juror's mind during the whole trial. When the DA says in his opening statement something along these lines: "Ms. KC did not report her daughter was missing. 31 days after she last saw her granddaughter Ca made the 911 call and you can hear KC in the background asking for 'just one more day".

I can't think of one viable reason for not reporting that Caylee was missing. IF, IF I wanted to believe the kidnapping story, once I heard that a week went by and she could not find Caylee or the Nanny or anyone else involved, I would throw the whole story out. I might, just might, if I was a juror accept that she waited a week to see if she could find them - longer than a week, no way. '31 days' is what is going to convict KC, I would bet a small sum of money on it!

 

[RevCrim]

The state has indicted Casey on particular charges. The defense team doesn't have to offer up any other theory other than saying their client is innocent and forcing the state to prove their case. However, in the course of defending their client against the case the state might make, the defense could pose questions such as "And could an accidental drowning have caused Caylee's death?" or "Is it possible that Caylee got hold of some medication and accidentally poisoned herself?" and leave it to the state's witness to prove it couldn't have happened that way. Casey would never need to take the stand in such a situation. Just saying "could it have...." is just asking the State's witness to admit there could be a cause of death other than deliberate homicide.

It is ONLY if the defense is going to go with a firm different story, such as "ZFG took her at JBP to teach Casey a lesson" or coming up with a firm accident scenario that Casey would be compelled to take the stand to answer the state as to why she told the original story, both in written sworn statements and then in a very long verbal statement to LE.

Thanks, I appreciate this- also could the possiblity of an accident story be to just plant a doubt? Even if it didn't happen, but it could have.

 

[suspicious1]

The biggest problem with the seizure defense and the accidental defense is the 31 days. the only scenario that fits with not reporting her daughter missing is the kidnapping one, and that has already been disproved - as KC changed her story about how it happened and LE has been able to prove that the people KC said were involved don't exist. I can not think of ANY other scenario the defense can come up with that would trump the simple fact that KC did not report Caylee missing and if CA hadn't made that phone call, she probably never would have reported her missing. I think one simple statement is going to run through each juror's mind during the whole trial. When the DA says in his opening statement something along these lines: "Ms. KC did not report her daughter was missing. 31 days after she last saw her granddaughter Ca made the 911 call and you can hear KC in the background asking for 'just one more day".

I can't think of one viable reason for not reporting that Caylee was missing. IF, IF I wanted to believe the kidnapping story, once I heard that a week went by and she could not find Caylee or the Nanny or anyone else involved, I would throw the whole story out. I might, just might, if I was a juror accept that she waited a week to see if she could find them - longer than a week, no way. '31 days' is what is going to convict KC, I would bet a small sum of money on it!

You are absolutely right! IMO, even if it was an accident, that doesn't explain why decomp was found in the trunk, and Caylee's body being dumped near the A home like trash. Do you think that even if the defense claims it was an accident, could KC still be charged with covering up the accident by wrapping duct tape around Caylee and dumping her in the woods? I just want her to go away for a long time no matter what her role was in this.

 

[fay]

This just boggles my mind. For the life of me why hasn't the defense team including her family, shouted from the rooftops who did it? What exactly was the threat made to Casey and why was it made. What was exactly said in regards to the kidnapping. Who did it? Was it Blanchard park or Sawgrass, help clear your name and find the "real" killers.
If they want to cast doubt on the police solving the case, and concluding it was Casey, then the need to blame someone other than her. So why doesn't Casey give the cops a written statement at least to claim who the real murderers are. We know and they know it's not the ZFG from Sawgrass, so Casey who dunnit?

 

[KenoshaKid]

This just boggles my mind. For the life of me why hasn't the defense team including her family, shouted from the rooftops who did it? What exactly was the threat made to Casey and why was it made. What was exactly said in regards to the kidnapping. Who did it? Was it Blanchard park or Sawgrass, help clear your name and find the "real" killers.
If they want to cast doubt on the police solving the case, and concluding it was Casey, then the need to blame someone other than her. So why doesn't Casey give the cops a written statement at least to claim who the real murderers are. We know and they know it's not the ZFG from Sawgrass, so Casey who dunnit?

My best guess is because Jose has told her to keep her mouth shut. He needs to come up with some kind of defense and her saying ANYTHING is not going to help him at this point. He already has enough damage control!

 

[FaerieB]

That's the million dollar question. If I could stretch my brain to believe that she was protecting Caylee and/or her family and/or herself before Caylee was found, I still can't understand why she wouldn't be singing like a canary now.

(Moment of fantasy ended...now returning to reality.)

 

[Gypsy Road]

If she were protecting Caylee and her family, she would have never even thrown out the name ZFG. IMO.

ETA - or told them her mother and father's name, her kids names, where she was from, where she lived, what kind of car she drove...etc....

 

[natsound]

In a jailhouse conversation with her parents, she claimed she tried and tried and tried to give police all the info. about ZFG, but they just didn't care.

 

[tiredofthis]

In a jailhouse conversation with her parents, she claimed she tried and tried and tried to give police all the info. about ZFG, but they just didn't care.

Don't you just hate it when that happens? Casey may have tried to feed LE more BS about Zanny, but by that time I'm sure LE had figured out that the words coming from Casey's mouth consisted of nothing, but lies.

 

[rosiegirl04]

In a jailhouse conversation with her parents, she claimed she tried and tried and tried to give police all the info. about ZFG, but they just didn't care.

thats because they knew there was no zfg. who would believe her after all the lies she spewed? just mo...